Is Mary Magdalene's gosple real?

[patrick457]

The where abouts of the biblical scrolls were not known by the public, because they were wanted to be disposed of. Haven’t you heard of this? They were constantly moved from here to there…

xxx zundrah xx

By “biblical scrolls” do you mean the original autographs (i.e. the actual ones written by the apostles or their amaneuses or scribes)?

From what I recall, yes, there were cases in which groups would hide their codices and scrolls somewhere else since these would be destroyed in time of persecution (aside from higher purposes, there is also the matter of practicality - papyrus was very fragile and expensive so it would have taken time to make another copy should it be destroyed!).

 

[Zundrah]

I think there is always a possibility that some books were left out because they did not fit with what the early Church was teaching. They had the power to remove them and they did. Something to ponder: no where in the bible do we hear the names of Mary’s parents. Yet we know their names, we call them St. Joachim and St. Anne. How would their names be known unless they were read in the gnostic gospels?

You know their names! How!? But I suppose there are catholic records that you have in the church that date back a very long time ago.

P.S Finally, some one who admits that there were books removed from the bible!

xxx zundrah xxx

 

[Zundrah]

By “biblical scrolls” do you mean the original autographs (i.e. the actual ones written by the apostles or their amaneuses or scribes)?

From what I recall, yes, there were cases in which groups would hide their codices and scrolls somewhere else since these would be destroyed in time of persecution (aside from higher purposes, there is also the matter of practicality - papyrus was very fragile and expensive so it would have taken time to make another copy should it be destroyed!).

See, I told you didn’t I!

 

[patrick457]

I think there is always a possibility that some books were left out because they did not fit with what the early Church was teaching. They had the power to remove them and they did. Something to ponder: no where in the bible do we hear the names of Mary’s parents. Yet we know their names, we call them St. Joachim and St. Anne. How would their names be known unless they were read in the gnostic gospels?

No, no, no. We need to clear up something here: NOT ALL New Testament extra-canonical literature are Gnostic. Some (such as the Protoevangelium of James, where the names of Mary’s parents are recorded), would seem to be attempts by orthodox Christians to satisfy popular hunger by “filling in the gaps” of the canonical gospels. These works could draw from well-known traditions or from the writer’s own mind. A more ‘legitimate’ form of religious fanfiction than the overtly Gnostic works, if you will.

 

[patrick457]

See, I told you didn’t I!

Well, there is also the possibility that the original autographs just went to wear and tear after being used by their respective communities so many times. Books are made to be read and eventually get worn and fall out, after all.

 

[Zundrah]

Well, there is also the possibility that the original autographs just went to wear and tear after being used by their respective communities so many times. Books are made to be read and eventually get worn and fall out, after all.

Now that is what I like to here patrick457! It’s like the fact that you can always tell if your kid is brushing her teeth properly by checking how worn the tooth brush is!

Have you seen some peoples bibles that have lots of book marks and folded pages? Good times…

xxx zundrah xxx

 

[patrick457]

You know their names! How!? But I suppose there are catholic records that you have in the church that date back a very long time ago.

Ooh yes…we keep those secret records in that hidden vault in the depths of the Vatican, along with all the mounds of gold that the Church has accumulated over the years and that gigantic supercomputer recording the names of Protestants who ever existed. It’s just in the chamber beside the Opus Dei/Jesuit secret agent training facility.

 

[Zundrah]

Ooh yes…we keep those secret records in that hidden vault in the depths of the Vatican, along with all the mounds of gold that the Church has accumulated over the years and that gigantic supercomputer recording the names of Protestants who ever existed. It’s just in the chamber beside the Opus Dei/Jesuit secret agent training facility.

!!!!!! …umm, did I offend you? I thought catholics really did have a large record of its own history…

xxx zundrah xxx

 

[Zundrah]

Ooh yes…we keep those secret records in that hidden vault in the depths of the Vatican, along with all the mounds of gold that the Church has accumulated over the years and that gigantic supercomputer recording the names of Protestants who ever existed. It’s just in the chamber beside the Opus Dei/Jesuit secret agent training facility.

This is what I think of the catholic church… forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=355001
There will be no “catholic bashing” on this link.
Don’t panic! I’m not going to say terrible things about the catholic church or anything like that ( I’m not one of those crazy protestants!).

xxx zundrah xxx

 

[Brendan]

!!!!!! …umm, did I offend you? I thought catholics really did have a large record of its own history…

xxx zundrah xxx

Yes, we do know their names, again it’s because of non-biblical manuscripts that were left to us.

There are quite a large number, such as the Didache, the Epistle of Barnabas, the Letter of Clement to the Corinthians, and in the case of the parents of Mary, that is recorded in the (as Patrick mentioned) the Protoevagelicum of James.

All fine works, and there is nothing doctrinally wrong with any of them, it just that none are Divinely Inspired like the books of the Bible are.

 

[patrick457]

This is what I think of the catholic church… forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=355001
There will be no “catholic bashing” on this link.
Don’t panic! I’m not going to say terrible things about the catholic church or anything like that ( I’m not one of those crazy protestants!).

xxx zundrah xxx

Don’t worry Zundrah - I’m not accusing you of that. It’s just that when someone talks about “records” I couldn’t stop thinking about the very ridiculous Jack T. Chick-esque idea of the “controversial stuff the Vatican hides from you”. No offense meant - it was all tongue-in-cheek.

 

[Zundrah]

Yes, we do know their names, again it’s because of non-biblical manuscripts that were left to us.

There are quite a large number, such as the Didache, the Epistle of Barnabas, the Letter of Clement to the Corinthians, and in the case of the parents of Mary, that is recorded in the (as Patrick mentioned) the Protoevagelicum of James.

All fine works, and there is nothing doctrinally wrong with any of them, it just that none are Divinely Inspired like the books of the Bible are.

…there are so many catholic books… apparently you have a record of ALL the priest who have ever worked for the catholic chruch! Is this true!?

xxx zundrah xxx

 

[Zundrah]

Don’t worry Zundrah - I’m not accusing you of that. It’s just that when someone talks about “records” I couldn’t stop thinking about the very ridiculous Jack T. Chick-esque idea of the “controversial stuff the Vatican hides from you”. No offense meant - it was all tongue-in-cheek.

Jack T. Chick-esque idea of the “controversial stuff the Vatican hides from you”.

I’ve never heard of that… probably a protestants idea against the catholic chruch, I guess?

Go on to the link please! - forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=355001

xxx zundrah xxx

 

[patrick457]

…there are so many catholic books… apparently you have a record of ALL the priest who have ever worked for the catholic chruch! Is this true!?

xxx zundrah xxx

Erm…there are a lot of Catholic books but I doubt we’ll ever find a COMPLETE list of each and every priest that existed in history (I doubt that the early Christians would actually be able to make one!). We do know the names of some early Christian clerics - most of whom we know existed only due to a record or two mentioning them; with a few being more famous than these since they’ve left a huge mark in Christian history (by virtue of them being well-known saints or heretics, for example). But I estimate that even with these, they’re only, like, 1~2% of the total.

 

[Zundrah]

Erm…there are a lot of Catholic books but I doubt we’ll ever find a COMPLETE list of each and every priest that existed in history (I doubt that the early Christians would actually be able to make one!). We do know the names of some early Christian clerics - most of whom we know existed only due to a record or two mentioning them; with a few being more famous than these since they’ve left a huge mark in Christian history (by virtue of them being well-known saints or heretics, for example). But I estimate that even with these, they’re only, like, 1~2% of the total.

I thought that the book of cannons was a list of clergy men?

 

[patrick457]

I’ve never heard of that… probably a protestants idea against the catholic chruch, I guess?

Go on to the link please! - forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=355001

xxx zundrah xxx

My final post for the day.

Yes, they would be anti-Catholic conspiracy theories, you may say. Admittedly far-fetched (especially the super-computer part), but since when did conspiracy theories start to make sense?

 

[davidv]

I thought that the book of cannons was a list of clergy men?

As far as I know there is no “book of cannons”. The “Canon of Scripture” is the list of, an text of, the books that were determined to be inspired and now make up the Bible.

 

[Zundrah]

As far as I know there is no “book of cannons”. The “Canon of Scripture” is the list of, an text of, the books that were determined to be inspired and now make up the Bible.

LOL - I think the catholic church has way too many books! :whacky:

xxx zundrah xxx

 

[SaltySirena]

That sounds a bit like muslim beliefs, y’know the “acheive inlightenment” stuff…

Ummmmm, yeah. While you’re taking some Bible History courses, you might want to look into a good comparative World Religions course, as well. This is Buddhism you’re talking about here, not Islam.

And papyrus was actually pretty tough stuff. Not made from rice, but from river reed fibers. It’s almost more like fabric than paper. You know those really nice papers for resumes and such, that have 25% cotton fibers in the paper? Kinda like that stuff. There are still papyrus documents from Mesopotamia and Egypt that are mostly intact and readable.

 

[Zundrah]

Ummmmm, yeah. While you’re taking some Bible History courses, you might want to look into a good comparative World Religions course, as well. This is Buddhism you’re talking about here, not Islam.

And papyrus was actually pretty tough stuff. Not made from rice, but from river reed fibers. It’s almost more like fabric than paper. You know those really nice papers for resumes and such, that have 25% cotton fibers in the paper? Kinda like that stuff. There are still papyrus documents from Mesopotamia and Egypt that are mostly intact and readable.

History is nice isn’t it? I love all the biblical history that the catholic chruch has!