Is Mary the Queen of Heaven?

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He went to a wedding in Cana with her. How many guys today would do that with their moms especially when some of their buddies were there? šŸ˜›
:), here in the Islamic countries we take our moms everywhere, even if she wants to visit her neighbor.

However, JESUS in John 2:4 called her ā€œWomanā€, and not any fancy title!
 
If you separate the earthly from the Heavenly, you might as well throw out your entire Old Testement, Leviticus in particuar.
I am not saying separate the earthly from the heavenly I am saying that you are trying to define heavenly concepts in terms of earthly and temporal concepts which does not work. There is a quote that says ā€œthe Bible does not necessarily tell you how the heavens go but how to go to heavenā€.
 
This seems to me to be an attempt to scribe to heaven and to Mary a romanticized concept that really only applies to life in this temporal finite world. It is dangerous to subscribe earthly concepts to life in union with the Most Holy Trinity.While it is a very appealing concept we cannot begin to understand what life will be like in Heaven and I therefore believe it is unwise and even misleading to ascribe earthy concepts to Heaven and the Beatific Vision. I was told when I was little to imagine Heaven as the best it could possibly be and was promised that it would be even better than that. Ascribing titles and positions to Mary seems a bit pointless since only God can know for sure what He has prepared for those that love Him. Earthly titles and concepts will not apply.
I am not saying separate the earthly from the heavenly I am saying that you are trying to define heavenly concepts in terms of earthly and temporal concepts which does not work. There is a quote that says ā€œthe Bible does not necessarily tell you how the heavens go but how to go to heavenā€.
There is a phrase – The Kingdom of Heaven – and our Lord Jesus is King of this Kingdom. This concept of a heavenly Kingdom is alluded to throughout the Old Testament, one such place being Daniel 2.

Since Heaven is a Kingdom, our best understanding of how things operate there can be gained by looking at a Kingdom here on earth…much as how our best understanding of God can be obtained by looking at Jesus and what he did when he walked this earth. Heaven isn’t a democracy.

Anyway, where there is a King, there is normally a Queen, and this is what St. John’s vision in Revelation 12 suggests.

I thought the concept of a Kingdom of Heaven was shared by Protestants and Catholics alike. Is this not true?
 
The Queen (Mother) was married to the king. There is no marriage in heaven (other than the Bride of Christ), or so is my understanding. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Is the Queen of Heaven an honorary title or authoritative title that comes with power?

Does Mary reign in Heaven or does she intercede for us to save our souls and grant graces from God?

Where is God the Father? Where is His reigning power? Transferred to Christ?

Solomon bowed down to Bathsheba. Does Jesus bow down to Mary?

Since we’re drawing similarities between earthly kingdom and heavenly kingdom…
 
EIF5A, here is how I understand this.
The Queen (Mother) was married to the king. There is no marriage in heaven (other than the Bride of Christ), or so is my understanding. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Yes, Jesus said there is no marriage in Heaven.

We understand the Bride of Christ to be the Church.

In the Davidic Kingdoms, the King had multiple wives. It was his mother who had the title of Queen. That is how it is in heaven.
Is the Queen of Heaven an honorary title or authoritative title that comes with power?
I would not call it honorary. And it is not the same as having the authoritative power of a ruler. Yet, the Queen is able to exert much influence on the King. She is his mother and he loves her more than any of us can imagine.
Does Mary reign in Heaven or does she intercede for us to save our souls and grant graces from God?
Both I think, although her reign is like that of a Queen Mother.
Where is God the Father? Where is His reigning power? Transferred to Christ?
He is there too. But, this is a mystery. We have a Holy Trinity with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit – 3 persons in one and it is hard to wrap my mind around who does what exactly. God the Father created everything. He is the source of all power. But, I think leaves it to Jesus to run the Kingdom. And the Holy Spirit connects all of us here on earth to God the Father, Jesus and Mary and everyone else in Heaven to include the angels and saints. Jesus accomplishes things by sending out the Holy Spirit. I should state that what I just said is my intuitive sense of things. If it makes no sense to you, ignore it as it comes from nothing I have read.
Solomon bowed down to Bathsheba. Does Jesus bow down to Mary?
I don’t know, but he surely loves her and wants to make her happy. He will do as she asks if it is God’s will. And, I don’t believe she would ask him to do anything that wasn’t God’s will because her heart is perfectly united with the the heart of Jesus (as his mother), with God (her Father), and with the Holy Spirit (who is her spouse).
 
:), here in the Islamic countries we take our moms everywhere, even if she wants to visit her neighbor.

However, JESUS in John 2:4 called her ā€œWomanā€, and not any fancy title!
The title ā€œWomanā€ is not a sign of disrespect, it is the opposite – a title of dignity. It is a formal mode of speech equivalent to the English titles, ā€œLadyā€ or ā€œMadam.ā€

The Protestant commentator William Barclay writes:

ā€œThe word Woman (gynai) is also misleading. It sounds to us very rough and abrupt. But it is the same word as Jesus used on the Cross to address Mary as he left her to the care of John (John 19:26). In Homer it is the title by which Odysseus addresses Penelope, his well-loved wife. It is the title by which Augustus, the Roman Emperor, addressed Cleopatara, the famous Egyptian queen. So far from being a rough and discourteous way of address, it was a title of respect. We have no way of speaking in English which exactly renders it; but it is better to translate it Lady which gives at least the courtesy in itā€ (The Gospel of John, revised edition, vol. 1, p. 98).

Similarly, the Protestant Expositor’s Bible Commentary, published by Zondervan, states:

Jesus’ reply to Mary was not so abrupt as it seems. ā€˜Woman’ (gynai) was a polite form of address. Jesus used it when he spoke to his mother from the cross (19:26) and also when he spoke to Mary Magdalene after the Resurrection (20:15)" (vol. 9, p. 42).

Even the Fundamentalist Wycliff Bible Commentary put out by Moody Press acknowledges in its comment on this verse,

ā€œIn his reply, the use of ā€˜Woman’ does not involve disrespect (cf. 19:26)ā€ (p. 1076).

The fact it is not a title of disrespect should be obvious from the fact that Jesus, as an obedient Son who fulfilled the Torah perfectly, would never have spoken irreverently to his mother. His perfect fulfillment of the Torah includes a perfect fulfillment of the command, ā€œHonor your father and mother,ā€ which in the literal Hebrew is ā€œGlorify your father and mother.ā€

This is why the corban custom was so wrong – because it left one’s parents scrounging for food and money and thus publicly humiliated, violating the command to glorify your father and mother by seeing that they are not publicly shamed by being reduced to begging. To publicly speak irreverently of his mother is something that Jesus would never have been able to countenance. Actually, the way Jesus is using the term – at the two key junctures in John’s Gospel where Mary appears – is symbolic and emblematic of her role in redemptive history. Whereas Eve was the First Woman, Mary is the Second Woman, just as Adam was the First Man and Jesus was the Second Man (1 Cor. 15:47).
 
The Queen (Mother) was married to the king. There is no marriage in heaven (other than the Bride of Christ), or so is my understanding. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Solomon was not married to Bathsheba who was his mother.

My OP explains the Queen Mother in the Davidic kingdom.
 
God Emeritus.
Good one! 😃 But here’s one of my daily devotion prayers.

Golden Arrow Prayer

May the Most Holy, Most Sacred, Most Adorable,
Most Incomprehensible, and Unutterable Name of God
be always praised, blessed, loved, adored, and glorified,
in Heaven, on earth, and under the earth,
by all the creatures of God,
and by the Sacred Heart of Our Lord Jesus Christ,
in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar. Amen.
 
But she was married to King David…the king I referred to.
I tried to answer some of your other questions in post #64. The influence in that role (one of David’s many wives) would not have been the same. The King’s mother is the one who functioned as Queen in those times.
 
I tried to answer some of your other questions in post #64. The influence in that role (one of David’s many wives) would not have been the same. The King’s mother is the one who functioned as Queen in those times.
The Queen Mother existed before the King. She was married to the father of the King. Jesus existed before time and all creation, including Mary. Analogies between the earthly and divine don’t line up in every respect.

If God the Father reigns supreme in heaven and earth, how does Mary rule in heaven that’s different from God the Father? Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father. Does Mary sit at the left hand? Sit at the foot of the throne to dispense grace to those who ask? Obtain favors through her Son?

For any Orthodox here, does the title Theotokos also equate to divine queenship?
 
The Queen Mother existed before the King. She was married to the father of the King. Jesus existed before time and all creation, including Mary. Analogies between the earthly and divine don’t line up in every respect.

If God the Father reigns supreme in heaven and earth, how does Mary rule in heaven that’s different from God the Father? Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father. Does Mary sit at the left hand? Sit at the foot of the throne to dispense grace to those who ask? Obtain favors through her Son?

For any Orthodox here, does the title Theotokos also equate to divine queenship?
David is King, Bathsheba is His wife, there is no queen. Solomon is their son.
Solomon becomes king and names his mom, Bathsheba, Queen.
Kings thereafter name their moms as queen.
 
David is King, Bathsheba is His wife, there is no queen. Solomon is their son.
Solomon becomes king and names his mom, Bathsheba, Queen.
Kings thereafter name their moms as queen.
You make the claim that what happens on earth happens in heaven.

So where is Mary is heaven in relations to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit?

What authority does she exercise and how?
 
And Solomon…not David…made her queen as I explained in the OP.
He didn’t make her Dowager Queen, her marriage to the previous king, David, made her so. Titles held by dowagers come through their husbands, and are held onto as an honorific when the son takes the throne. So in that way, Queen of Heaven really shouldn’t apply here.

Arguing her queenship by dowager title rights is the wrong way to go about it.

(Disclaimer for anyone else reading this: I’m actually all for using Queen of Heaven in reference to Mary. So please no misunderstandings about ā€œcontemptā€)
 
You make the claim that what happens on earth happens in heaven.
Well, it’s not my claim so much as it’s my understanding based upon a few things…like scripture, for example.
So where is Mary is heaven in relations to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit?
Answer this question first: How is Jesus King of Kings and Lord of Lords in relation to God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.
What authority does she exercise and how?
Jesus appointed Peter to act as Royal Steward in His absence here on earth, so, off the top of my head, I don’t know that she exercises any authority of her own other than over Satan and his minions through her intercessory prayer. But I may think of something else.
 
You make the claim that what happens on earth happens in heaven.

So where is Mary is heaven in relations to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit?

What authority does she exercise and how?
She serves them…and prays for us to the Trinity. Her will is attuned to the will of the Trinity.

Her authority is to love us and advocate for us…and to lead us to her Son and to heaven.

In other words…her queenship is a queenship of love, charity, humility and servitude.

You might like this article short reflection:

ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp2bvm53.htm

MARY AND THE HUMAN DRAMA OF DEATH
Pope John Paul II

Having been closely associated with Christ’s redemptive work, it was fitting for Mary to share the experience of death before partaking of the Resurrection
ā€œThe experience of death personally enriched the Blessed Virgin: by undergoing mankind’s common destiny, she can more effectively exercise her spiritual motherhood towards those approaching the last moment of their lifeā€, the Holy Father said at the General Audience of Wednesday, 25 June, as he reflected on the dormition of the Mother of God. Here is a translation of the Pope’s catechesis, which was the 53rd in the series on the Blessed Mother and was given in Italian.
 
He didn’t make her Dowager Queen, her marriage to the previous king, David, made her so. Titles held by dowagers come through their husbands, and are held onto as an honorific when the son takes the throne. So in that way, Queen of Heaven really shouldn’t apply here.

Arguing her queenship by dowager title rights is the wrong way to go about it.

(Disclaimer for anyone else reading this: I’m actually all for using Queen of Heaven in reference to Mary. So please no misunderstandings about ā€œcontemptā€)
Mary has long been called the ā€œspouse of the Holy Spiritā€, so if you want to acknowledge that her ā€œhusbandā€ was God, that works, too. šŸ˜‰

Of course, you must also deal with Rev. 12:1-2 which suggest very strongly that Mary is crowned in heaven.

Now all that aside, if a king was deposed or killed in battle, another man ascended to the throne. His mother, not his wife, would be gebirah. This position was derived from her relationship to her son and not to her husband who was never king.

However, it’s an interesting question, so I’ll see what else I can come up with.

Thanks for the challenge! šŸ‘
 
She serves them…and prays for us to the Trinity. Her will is attuned to the will of the Trinity.

Her authority is to love us and advocate for us…and to lead us to her Son and to heaven.

In other words…her queenship is a queenship of love, charity, humility and servitude.

You might like this article short reflection:

ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp2bvm53.htm

MARY AND THE HUMAN DRAMA OF DEATH
Pope John Paul II

Having been closely associated with Christ’s redemptive work, it was fitting for Mary to share the experience of death before partaking of the Resurrection
ā€œThe experience of death personally enriched the Blessed Virgin: by undergoing mankind’s common destiny, she can more effectively exercise her spiritual motherhood towards those approaching the last moment of their lifeā€, the Holy Father said at the General Audience of Wednesday, 25 June, as he reflected on the dormition of the Mother of God. Here is a translation of the Pope’s catechesis, which was the 53rd in the series on the Blessed Mother and was given in Italian.
OK, this makes more sense (in my tiny brain). It was said that the Queen Mother counseled her son, the king. And I ask myself, ā€œWhy does God need counsel?ā€ Also, because the Queen Mother is the mother of the king, her place is ā€œhigherā€, as any mother is, and I’m told what happens on earth happens in heaven. I just had a hard time reconciling this since Jesus is God, and no creature is ā€œhigher thanā€ or ā€œequal toā€ Him, even though He is fully human as well as fully God.
 
Mary has long been called the ā€œspouse of the Holy Spiritā€, so if you want to acknowledge that her ā€œhusbandā€ was God, that works, too. šŸ˜‰

But I’d like to see you make that case in light of the Hebrew understanding of the ā€œgebirahā€ (Strong’s 1376).

If a king was deposed or killed in battle, another man ascended to the throne. His mother, not his wife, would be gebirah. This position was derived from her relationship to her son and not to her husband who was never king.

However, it’s an interesting question, so I’ll see what else I can come up with.

Thanks for the challenge! šŸ‘
Oh, boy…I’m not going to venture there! :)šŸ˜‰
 
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