Is Masturbation a sin?

[fbl9]

fb19,

I did miss the boat. Can’t they not just have intimate relations twice? I can’t see what the difference would be.The solution they have is deceptive to him and her. Satan is using this.

I’m probably no one to give advice as I have had to deal with issues. It is just sad.

…that would be grand if it wasn’t already midnight and 5;00 am comes way to soon. the "solution"is only the hubby’s the wife did not know the hubby planned this “solution”…very good response.being an ex-pro myself i tend to think i should know the litle traps that trigger the big trap that enslaves one into this sin with this hindsight i tend feel i can give some advice.

 

[Joe_5859]

Why can’t I masturbate without lusting then?

The only way that I could imagine someone being able to masturbate without lust is if they were to emotionally/psychologically/spiritually separate their soul and their body. If one manages to do this, I believe they will have serious issues in their present and future relationships. How can one become emotionally/psychologically/spiritually attached to their spouse through the marital act when they are accustomed to “going through the motions” in a detached way? It would be much more difficult, to say the least.

I think this is one of the main reasons that the “it’s not hurting anybody” argument falls apart. Masturbation may not directly hurt another person, but throught the continous misuse of our sexual faculty, it begins to warp the way we approach our relationships. If lust is our motivation, then we begin to view and treat other people as sexual objects. If we manage to masturbate without lust, then we become detached human beings, unable to really enter into any type of relationship.

Would it be a venial sin considering my age, situation, other outside factors? I’m not sure I even see why it’s considered disordered.

No one here can really answer the question of your moral culpability. All we can say is that the Church clearly teaches the act is gravely disordered and gravely sinful. If one commits this act while knowing it is wrong and consenting completely, then one has committed a mortal sin. Age is not really a factor (unless you’re below the age of reason).

I’m not trying to be disrespectful to the Church, I’m really honestly seeking the Truth

It is wonderful that you are seeking to understand this issue and the Church teaching about it. I’m a big fan of Mary Beth Bonacci’s book Real Love for some nice simple explanations of these issues. I’ve also heard wonderful things about Christopher West’s Theology of the Body For Beginners (though I’ve not yet read it myself). If you’re really searching for answers on these issues, I would recommend checking out both books. They can probably give you more developed answers than any of us can give in a (5000 characters or less) post here on CAF.

 

[Nom_the_Wise]

The only way that I could imagine someone being able to masturbate without lust is if they were to emotionally/psychologically/spiritually separate their soul and their body. If one manages to do this, I believe they will have serious issues in their present and future relationships.

This is all my fault! I’m the one who posed this foolish question! I am sorry, scapularkid! I led you into error. I’m off of this thread. I’m too close to this issue to be any help anyway. Thank you all for your correction.

Note my new signature…

 

[Nom_the_Wise]

Is it possible to masturbate “objectively”? Without lust in your heart?

NO!

Shame on you, heretic!:

 

[Nom_the_Wise]

Hey, it’s me, Nom the Wise.

In this case, call me Nom the Wiseguy.

(tumbleweed, tumbleweed, whooosh, bark! bark!

I’m okay. You guys still there? No one has posted since me.

Now I’m going to have to go confess on the Thread-killer thread.

Scapularkid has gone on to start his own thread.

When one masturbation thread dies, another rises in its place.

Like whack-a-mole.

 

[gam197]

originally posted by fb19
…that would be grand if it wasn’t already midnight and 5;00 am comes way to soon. the "solution"is only the hubby’s the wife did not know the hubby planned this “solution”.

I understand time constraints and I guess this man came up with his solution.

. originally posted** by Joe5859**
I can understand and sympathize with those who have wives with sex drives much lower than their own.

Since this was mentioned and I know you addressing other posters, we are all called to marital chastity and virtue. Having a low sex drive I don’t believe has much to do with it. There are many issues for many couples such as financial, health and irregular cycles. My own husband’s theory was get her more involved - “more for me kind of attitude”. My sexually active female friends also pushed- “you’ll be cheerier”. I loved my husband and my energy was was being directed toward my husband’s desires. There are different levels for males and females.

On another note, Singles are called to abstain but often married couples are put into difficult situations. There are a lot of factors in relationships.

 

[INeed_Help_God]

Hello Everyone,

 I don't mean to be disrespectful in this forum that isn't mine. It is because I am new here and don't know how to start one of my own. 
 I have masturbated and I am really concerned that I will go to hell. Could anyone help me please?

 

[Nom_the_Wise]

Hello Everyone,

 I don't mean to be disrespectful in this forum that isn't mine. It is because I am new here and don't know how to start one of my own. 
 I have masturbated and I am really concerned that I will go to hell. Could anyone help me please?

You are not alone. If you read through the posts on this thread (and others), you will get *lots *of info. You seem to be very shook up as I noticed you posted this in several other forums. You should go to the “conceirge desk” with questions about how to navigate the cite and where to post.

Calm down. As long as you don’t masturbate **and **drop dead, you won’t go to hell today (of course, I’m not God or your confessor and don’t know what else you might have on your soul–regular confession is always recommended). Masturbation is “normal” in that very many of us struggle with it **(I mean “normally” occuring, as any perusal of these forums will show you–you sound a little suspiciously nieve, but I’m working with it) BUT it is a grave matter that must be mastered over time. Don’t panic. You’re not being disrespectful. Go to confession. Go now and sin no more. You’ll live.

On the main forums page, click on the heading “Moral Theology” and you’ll see all the threads that are discussing this.

 

[JCnMe]

ALL Sin is about intent-those that lust and see it as a perverse act are sinning-what kind of sin is between them and God- those that see this ability and experience as a gift from God -aren’t…learn to discern the spirit behind the deed…

 

[Nom_the_Wise]

ALL Sin is about intent-those that lust and see it as a perverse act are sinning-what kind of sin is between them and God- those that see this ability and experience as a gift from God -aren’t…learn to discern the spirit behind the deed…

That’s a bit ambiguous. Allow me to interpret what I think you’re saying using concrete nouns:

“those that see [masturbation] and experience [it] as a gift from God -aren’t [sinning].”

Have I got that right? If I do, then you’ve got it soooo so wrong.

Write back, really. I’ll check up on this thread again. And before you do, read some of my earlier posts on this very same thread.

 

[JCnMe]

I don’t have it wrong- sin is about intent…in some instances imposing guilt would be just as sinful as the act…

 

[fbl9]

I don’t have it wrong- sin is about intent…in some instances imposing guilt would be just as sinful as the act…

…then people in the adult “enertainment” industry are not sinning bc they don’t beleive what they do is wrong.what is the intent of our sexual function?is for only self pleasure or is it for the purpose of pro-creation?as God commanded"go forth and mulitiply"the pleasure of the marital embrace,can not be compared to the self pleasure of mastrabation.the gift is the pleasure not the abilty to do the act.

 

[JCnMe]

I think they are pretty much aware that their lower level impulses exhibitionism,and exploitation fo such things aren’t the keys to Heaven…but I also know God hasn’t turned His back on them-even though you might…

 

[fbl9]

I think they are pretty much aware that their lower level impulses exhibitionism,and exploitation fo such things aren’t the keys to Heaven…but I also know God hasn’t turned His back on them-even though you might…

…that is one of many things about the Cahtolic faith we don’t turn our backs to them as some evangalical ministers do when they commend them to hell.i remeber an interview with one such “star” she felt that her career was her God given vocation. there more than a few such “stars” that also beleive they will go to heaven bc they are “good” loving people.

 

[Nom_the_Wise]

I think they are pretty much aware that their lower level impulses exhibitionism,and exploitation fo such things aren’t the keys to Heaven…but I also know God hasn’t turned His back on them-even though you might…

Do not confuse the mercy of God with the wrath of God.

The very definition of sin is a turning away from God, which incurs the wrath of God until the sinner repents. Until the moment of repentence, you are outside of God’s love, BY YOUR CHOICE, NOT GOD’S.

We believe that God hopes for our repentence (as demonstrated in the parable of the prodigal son). So when you say “but I also know God hasn’t turned His back on them-even though you might” you are not only being sarcastic and combative, but you are ignoring the fact that, despite intent, despite God’s mercy, when you sin you have voluntarily cut yourself off from God.

You seem to be arguing that you can continue in you sins and God understands. This is a mistake. If you stick your finger in an electic socket, the effect of your sin is very immediate and painful. Just because masturbation isn’t painful doesn’t make it less sinful.

Someone other than myself once said that the way you can recognize the voice of Satan or his fallen angels is that **before **you commit the sin, they console you saying “Yeah, it’s all right, go ahead, God understands” and **after **the sin, they immediately condemn “You worthless piece of turd!”

It’s exaclty opposite for God, **before **the sin you get all the warnings “Stop! Don’t do it!” and **afterwards **you hear “Come back to me…”

 

[iamaQT4lifelol]

I have really been wondering if masturbation is a sin. I dont think that it is so much because of the sexual content, but rather because of the fact that the sperm is life giving potential. Masturbation is more of a release of stress and anxiety. We need some nurturing that we are not getting and so we literally stroke ourselves to ease the pain. So how can it be a sin of sexual temptation?

Pax Christi

Is a girls period a sin
your stupid stop talking
start bating

 

[GODHATESCATHS]

I have really been wondering if masturbation is a sin. I dont think that it is so much because of the sexual content, but rather because of the fact that the sperm is life giving potential. Masturbation is more of a release of stress and anxiety. We need some nurturing that we are not getting and so we literally stroke ourselves to ease the pain. So how can it be a sin of sexual temptation?

Pax Christi

Eggs are life giving potential. Its a sin for a girl to be on her period?
Is it a sin that we eat eggs?
Masturbation is not a release of stress or anxiety, its your sexual, demonic, satanic perversion and your way of slapping God in the face. YOU are creating pain when you’re literally stroking yourself, I’n God’s eyes. Repent right now, for you are going to hell.
In a fire.
For eternity.

 

[iamaQT4lifelol]

Eggs are life giving potential. Its a sin for a girl to be on her period?
Is it a sin that we eat eggs?
Masturbation is not a release of stress or anxiety, its your sexual, demonic, satanic perversion and your way of slapping God in the face. YOU are creating pain when you’re literally stroking yourself, I’n God’s eyes. Repent right now, for you are going to hell.
In a fire.
For eternity.

n1994 whuuut?!

 

[JCnMe]

Nom…perhaps you are not so wise…God does not desert those who have lost their way…there are many variables to the reasons people go down this path- God knows- you and I don’t… so be careful how you tread this path- by being judgmental you narrow your own path…some things are best left between God and the individual, and this is one of them…as I said before - learn to discern the spirit behind the deed- and one of those deeds is being judgmental of another without having all the facts or knowing the intent…something neither you nor I nor anyone else on this board could claim to know about someone else…and certainly have no right to place guilt in God’s stead…I have more faith in God than that- He is perfectly capable of bringing His children home-the last thing He needs or wants is someone jumping up and down in front of them making them feel they are not worthy-THAT is what makes them turn away…

 

[Nom_the_Wise]

Nom…perhaps you are not so wise…

JCnMe–perhaps you should check to make sure that the JC in your screen name is really Jesus Christ. It might just be Johnny Carson, James Cameron, Johnny Cash.

And my screen name is not meant to be a reflection on me. It’s from a CD by Blind Guardian called “Nightfall on Middle Earth.”

God does not desert those who have lost their way…there are many variables to the reasons people go down this path- God knows- you and I don’t…