Is Mexico 'haven for pedophile priests'? -Lawsuit filed against Mahony yesterday

[Caesar]

Troubling issue for us all. I’ll remember to bring this issue up with my new Spiritual Director sometime. See what his take on it is. Perhaps it is time to find some answers.

Anyway, I’m tired now :yawn:

School tomorrow and my first meeting with my SD afterwards.

Good night everyone.

 

[michaelmac]

Hi Ceasar , I beleive you will make a good priest ,Who will have the interests of all his flock in mind yours michael

 

[childofmary1143]

As you sure? This seems shocking. Can you refer me to some authority for this statement? I checked the website for the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops and noted that one of their releases states they are celebrating 30 years of Humanae Vitae.

Here is the website link that shows it: catholic-legate.com/articles/fiftyreasons.html

 

[michaelmac]

Hi all A new documentary about the cover up of abuse being shown this weekwnd yours michael

 

[Caesar]

Hi Ceasar , I beleive you will make a good priest ,Who will have the interests of all his flock in mind yours michael

Well, thank you. I hope that I can live up to that if I ever do become a priest.

Hi all A new documentary about the cover up of abuse being shown this weekwnd yours michael

I’ll be sure to see it.

 

[michaelmac]

Hi Ceasar , Its by the BBC Panorama team , Its Called Sex Crimes and the Vatican ,If it any thing like the documentarys Suing the Pope and Cardinal Errors , It will be deverstating for Catholics as the Hierarchy of the church are still trying to keep victims from speaking out ,Before people attack me for writing this you all should see the two documentarys i have wrote about here because the bishop and the Cardinal showed about as much humanity as a lump of wood ,yours michael

 

[Caesar]

Hi Ceasar , Its by the BBC Panorama team , Its Called Sex Crimes and the Vatican ,If it any thing like the documentarys Suing the Pope and Cardinal Errors , It will be deverstating for Catholics as the Hierarchy of the church are still trying to keep victims from speaking out ,Before people attack me for writing this you all should see the two documentarys i have wrote about here because the bishop and the Cardinal showed about as much humanity as a lump of wood ,yours michael

I dont see why anyone would attack you over this.

I will add however that I do not believe that blame should be laid on the Holy See. Firstly, Rome remained largely ignorant (it’s not good to say, but it’s true) to the entire issue for many years- poor communication on the part of various Cardinals, lack of interest sadly. The Bishops who covered this up covered it up even from their superiors.

Bishops are in practice the supreme authorities in the respective Dioceses. Most of their actions do not have to be approved by Rome. When many of these men discovered the sex abuse scandals and covered it up, there was no information sent to the top- or else we would have seen quicker action on the part of the Holy See. The fact that many of these Bishops later became Cardinals further demonstrates this (and the fact that Pope John Paul II had little interest in the administrative side of his office- he relied on the regional Bishop’s Councils for Episcopal nominations). Sad, but true.

Although one thing is for certain- if one of these Cardinals who covered up the sex-abuse scandal is ever elected Pope, I’m going Sedevacantist.

 

[michaelmac]

Hi Ceasar , I am sorry to say this only in Ireland it is well know among survivors groups, That the Pope new about the abuse of children in the diocese of Ferns in the early eightys ,That is why the Documentary Suing the Pope was made ,Because he new and did nothing , Instead of asking me for proof ask the Vaticans Ambassador to Ireland why he refused to answer questions on how much the Pope new about the rape of children in the Diocese of Ferns ,Yours Michael

 

[sigmund_fraud]

Hi Michael and Ceaser.

Sexual abuse by Catholic priests and the Catholic Church as well as its infrastructure is and has always been endemic for centuries and it would be disingenuous for anyone to claim otherwise Ratzinger knows it and has known it for many tears as has most other if not all popes throughout the time of the catholic churches existence.

Was it not Rome who actually put Jesus to death? Was it not Rome who once believed in gods riding chariots in the sky until they realised the power that could be harnessed by usurping the religions and beliefs of others.

Catholicism is not a belief or religion it is a control mechanism for the masses and you’re a fool if you think otherwise.

It is likely that this post may break the tolerance of your forum but you and I no this is true.

Documents sent out from the Vatican to all churches telling bishops and clergy to hide cases of sexual abuse I have this document and it sure does make reading of a nature not fit for those who are meant to be devout believers in the rights of children by those who report themselves to be good people.

I was abused myself and our case is coming to court soon. The fact that we have had to wait four years after the paedophile was put in jail after he pleaded guilty tell us all just what the mentality of those who have any kind of power is.

You fool nobody.

Sigmund Fraud

 

[pnewton]

. Yes it is sad that all that money you gave to your good Priest, Church will go to people affected by this scandal but who’s fault is that? Certainly not the victims of the abuse.

I will agree with this, to the extent that monies for counseling and medical services are concerned. I would have no opbjection to this and would want to help such people with their needs. I also have no objection to the extent that any and all guilty parties, including those who covered up and perpetuated the problem, are hit as hard as possible for punitive damages.

My only objection is punitive damages, or pain and suffering (the large, multi-million judgements) being sought againt parishes and dioceses. Then the victims of abuse reverse the role and become the agressor while the rank and file Catholics become the victim. I do not see a valid analogy between large churches and large corporations. One is a for-profit entity, the other a charitable organization. The significant thing they have in common in this situation is the depth of the pocketbook.

 

[KathleenElsie]

I will agree with this, to the extent that monies for counseling and medical services are concerned. I would have no opbjection to this and would want to help such people with their needs. I also have no objection to the extent that any and all guilty parties, including those who covered up and perpetuated the problem, are hit as hard as possible for punitive damages.

My only objection is punitive damages, or pain and suffering (the large, multi-million judgements) being sought againt parishes and dioceses. Then the victims of abuse reverse the role and become the agressor while the rank and file Catholics become the victim. I do not see a valid analogy between large churches and large corporations. One is a for-profit entity, the other a charitable organization. The significant thing they have in common in this situation is the depth of the pocketbook.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

 

[childofmary1143]

I will agree with this, to the extent that monies for counseling and medical services are concerned. I would have no opbjection to this and would want to help such people with their needs. I also have no objection to the extent that any and all guilty parties, including those who covered up and perpetuated the problem, are hit as hard as possible for punitive damages.

My only objection is punitive damages, or pain and suffering (the large, multi-million judgements) being sought againt parishes and dioceses. Then the victims of abuse reverse the role and become the agressor while the rank and file Catholics become the victim. I do not see a valid analogy between large churches and large corporations. One is a for-profit entity, the other a charitable organization. The significant thing they have in common in this situation is the depth of the pocketbook.

I totally agree with that. As no money could EVER fill that void that was taken from them. Also I think the statute of limitations should be amended so that these perpetrators be brought to justice. I don’t see the logic of it at all

 

[Caesar]

Hi Ceasar , I am sorry to say this only in Ireland it is well know among survivors groups, That the Pope new about the abuse of children in the diocese of Ferns in the early eightys ,That is why the Documentary Suing the Pope was made ,Because he new and did nothing , Instead of asking me for proof ask the Vaticans Ambassador to Ireland why he refused to answer questions on how much the Pope new about the rape of children in the Diocese of Ferns ,Yours Michael

Hi, thanks for answering me. Admittedly, I do not know all the facts of the abuse scandals. So, forgive me if I am wrong on any points.

Honestly, I cannot truthfully say that as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (formerly known as the Holy Office of the Roman Inquisition) then-Cardinal Ratzinger had no knowledge of the cover-up of the sex-abuse scandal. I can tell you that each Diocese is it’s own legal entity, as is every religious order. Any legal or crimminal issues are the responsibility of each Diocese. The Holy See does not oversee the legal or financial aspects of individual Dioceses.

Now, regarding the Papal Nuncio to Ireland (or was it the Primate?), it is very probable that he,

a) was remaining tight-lipped as prelates have traditionaly been.
b) posessed no knowledge of Cardinal Ratzinger’s dealings in the early 1980s

I also believe, and I know I will get criticized for this, that the mainstream media is not a reliable source of information regarding this issue. There is money and politics in every aspect of the media. A good example of this is from my own Diocese- a priest was charged with sexual abuse of many children in the 70s and 80s, and was shuffled around to differant parishes before being asked to retire. When the story broke, the local newspaper plastered it all over the front page- long main article, many shorter secondary articles, full color pictures, ect. The same day a similar story broke about a Public school teacher who had molested many of his young students over a period of decades, and his actions were shielded from the Press by a sympathetic school board. However, the story about this teacher and his victims was very short, buried several pages into another section, and never mentioned again.

 

[michaelmac]

Hi all , A story of abuse that does not involve the church , that i have been writing about on other forums , and this about protecting children from abuse, We in Great Britian have been looking at having a version of Megans law ,that the U S A have ,to cut a long story short i emailed every mp in Britian , About how it would not protect children because of a number of reasons, One of the reasons i stated was it never protected children if the abuse was in their own home ,Two i cannot protect children if the person commiting the abuse has no record of abusing children ,Three a lot of child abuse has been commited by people who have just moved to the U S A , I sent 5 emails to every M P that is over 3,000 emails Ceasar this is what you are never told about the U S A Every State allowed children to be re abused ,When the abuse was in the home AND most of the abusers never got a criminal record ,To Get back to Ireland and the Pope ,This is why victims of abuse were very angry at the last Pope, Victims wrote letters to the Pope and gave them to the Vaticans Irish Ambassador to give to the Pope to read ,He told victims that the Pope read them in front of him , That is why the Documentary Suing the Pope was made , I have know the person in the Documentary from the time i was doing an hour long radio program about abuse and suicide in the family , yours michael

 

[Caesar]

Hi all , A story of abuse that does not involve the church , that i have been writing about on other forums , and this about protecting children from abuse, We in Great Britian have been looking at having a version of Megans law ,that the U S A have ,to cut a long story short i emailed every mp in Britian , About how it would not protect children because of a number of reasons, One of the reasons i stated was it never protected children if the abuse was in their own home ,Two i cannot protect children if the person commiting the abuse has no record of abusing children ,Three a lot of child abuse has been commited by people who have just moved to the U S A , I sent 5 emails to every M P that is over 3,000 emails Ceasar this is what you are never told about the U S A Every State allowed children to be re abused ,When the abuse was in the home AND most of the abusers never got a criminal record ,To Get back to Ireland and the Pope ,This is why victims of abuse were very angry at the last Pope, Victims wrote letters to the Pope and gave them to the Vaticans Irish Ambassador to give to the Pope to read ,He told victims that the Pope read them in front of him , That is why the Documentary Suing the Pope was made , I have know the person in the Documentary from the time i was doing an hour long radio program about abuse and suicide in the family , yours michael

So the letters were given to John Paul II or Benedict XVI?

My guess is that the Pope never read those letters, and probably because they were never given to him by the Papal Nuncio to Ireland.

I wanted to comment on your first statements. I believe that we do not know half of the extent to which the sexual abuse of children has gone- and I’m not just reffering to the Church, or to any other religions, I am talking about every part of society- schools, daycares, hospitals, family (even parents), neighbors, and yes Churches (even non-Catholic ones, believe it or not). In fact, I would probably go so far to say that the vast majority of sexual abuse happens in the family.

 

[michaelmac]

So the letters were given to John Paul II or Benedict XVI?

My guess is that the Pope never read those letters, and probably because they were never given to him by the Papal Nuncio to Ireland.

I wanted to comment on your first statements. I believe that we do not know half of the extent to which the sexual abuse of children has gone- and I’m not just reffering to the Church, or to any other religions, I am talking about every part of society- schools, daycares, hospitals, family (even parents), neighbors, and yes Churches (even non-Catholic ones, believe it or not). In fact, I would probably go so far to say that the vast majority of sexual abuse happens in the family.

Hi Ceasar, The letters were given to Pope John Paul and you are proberly right the Papal Nuncio never gave them to him to read , about abuse in the home ,About 80 out of every 100 recorded case of abuse are in the home , If it was looked at and delt with properly there would need to be major changes in society ,And nobody wants to do this ,Plus if news papers started attacking the family like they attack the church, They would go out of Business very quickly ,I got an email from the violent crimes unit at the home office about stopping abuse if it is on going ,Survivors have been trying for years to get this idea off the ground , yours michael

 

[JonnySee]

no wonder the catholic church is dead. Good riddens.