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Image_of_God
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Do you suppose that there are different limits between men and women apparel?
Is modesty for girls the same type of thing in terms of guys?
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Jea9
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I think that it seems kind of unfair to say that the men you encountered “had problems in themselves”. We are created to have a sexual interest in members of the opposite sex, that is God’s plan and it is totally normal. I also didn’t realize what an occasion of sin the female’s body is to a man. I think that it is important for somebody to tell women that they are dressed inappropriately, maybe the man that told you did not tell you in the best way, but what he told you was valuable information. My only problem with sleeveless and strapless is that you can’t get it high enough in the front OR the back. And to answer the original question, I think that it IS the same for a man as a woman, or at least it should be. I do turn my head when watching something where a man doesn’t have a shirt on, or if I see a man out in public without covering on. Women are not as visual, but they certainly are to an extent. Doesn’t anyone remember those old Diet Coke (or Diet Dr. Pepper?) commercials with the male construction worker and the business women ogling him?
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whatevergirl
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No, I don’t think so…I think if a guy is jogging down the street though…it’s not necessary. But, at the gym, ew. In public places other than swimming pools and beaches…it just seems tacky, beyond anything else. lol
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ThuribleGuy45
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An earlier poster correctly referenced culture and intent. It is also true that, given a long enough thread, posters to this forum can find sin in anything - braces on teeth, a husband and wife kissing, and the “sin” of cutting your front lawn shirtless while male. If I went to my priest with this “sin,” he’d either laugh me out of the Reconciliation Room, or chew me out for wasting his time. No one is proposing guys boarding a public bus shirtless, and the OP’s question had to do with “playing a sport with other guys,” not exposing one’s naked body in public.
The cultural truth is that our norms accept that I can cut my lawn without wearing a shirt, but the lady across the street can’t. Reasonable people can debate the equality, gender-political, and taste issues inherent in that fact, but the fact remains. Not a moral issue. And for guys to play a shirts and skins pick-up basketball game…just not a moral issue either. Next thing you know, women will join the YMCA, and force an end to suitless swimming and wearing only towels in the steamroom…Wait…they already did…
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GraceDK
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I think that it seems kind of unfair to say that the men you encountered “had problems in themselves”.
**At least the first one had… really… I can’t tell you all the details but even the older ladies in my group felt like they were inappropriately dressed when they left him. Later on I read a booklet written by him: it told the story that glorified a lady who was so pious she had ended up getting shoot by her abusive husband. Her piety consisted in her faithfulness while being beaten to a pulp for years. I don’t normally throw with stuff, but when I had read that thing I threw it across the room in rage. Another friend of mine bought a book by the same author… she told me: “It blamed women for every instance of separation”. She too had thrown it out in anger (and she is a very humble and gentle Christian woman).
The clothing thing was just one thing… I surely disliked the mind of this man… **
We are created to have a sexual interest in members of the opposite sex, that is God’s plan and it is totally normal.
I also didn’t realize what an occasion of sin the female’s body is to a man.
I have a problem with that way that you say this… it makes the hair stand up on my neck… I know you don’t mean it like that… but for me a human body is not an occasion of sin. The human body is wonderful and beautiful. All sin comes from the heart, and each person must stand for their own actions. As for me I have fallen in the sexual area in the past… but I would never say that the body of the man I was with was the near occasion of sin. Rather the fornication was a result of the lust in his heart and in my heart. The body is not impure. Its the temple of the Holy Spirit. Many moslems openly say that women are the tools of satan. I hope you shiver too at such a theology…
I think that it is important for somebody to tell women that they are dressed inappropriately, maybe the man that told you did not tell you in the best way, but what he told you was valuable information.
The man told me nothing of use… Its men like these that make women rebel in the first place and want to be liberated in the wrong ways… Indeed I have no intention to be anything but moderate now… which was something I learned from the Holy Spirit mainly and through the example of women I looked up to for their true holiness… BUT if I met that man again I might wanna start wriggling my but at him in rebellion… excuse me… But no, he taught me nothing… shame does not teach… it only creates anger when directed at innocense.
My only problem with sleeveless and strapless is that you can’t get it high enough in the front OR the back. And to answer the original question, I think that it IS the same for a man as a woman, or at least it should be…
**I agree with that.
Grace <><**
**At least the first one had… really… I can’t tell you all the details but even the older ladies in my group felt like they were inappropriately dressed when they left him. Later on I read a booklet written by him: it told the story that glorified a lady who was so pious she had ended up getting shoot by her abusive husband. Her piety consisted in her faithfulness while being beaten to a pulp for years. I don’t normally throw with stuff, but when I had read that thing I threw it across the room in rage. Another friend of mine bought a book by the same author… she told me: “It blamed women for every instance of separation”. She too had thrown it out in anger (and she is a very humble and gentle Christian woman).
The clothing thing was just one thing… I surely disliked the mind of this man… **
We are created to have a sexual interest in members of the opposite sex, that is God’s plan and it is totally normal.
I also didn’t realize what an occasion of sin the female’s body is to a man.
I have a problem with that way that you say this… it makes the hair stand up on my neck… I know you don’t mean it like that… but for me a human body is not an occasion of sin. The human body is wonderful and beautiful. All sin comes from the heart, and each person must stand for their own actions. As for me I have fallen in the sexual area in the past… but I would never say that the body of the man I was with was the near occasion of sin. Rather the fornication was a result of the lust in his heart and in my heart. The body is not impure. Its the temple of the Holy Spirit. Many moslems openly say that women are the tools of satan. I hope you shiver too at such a theology…
I think that it is important for somebody to tell women that they are dressed inappropriately, maybe the man that told you did not tell you in the best way, but what he told you was valuable information.
The man told me nothing of use… Its men like these that make women rebel in the first place and want to be liberated in the wrong ways… Indeed I have no intention to be anything but moderate now… which was something I learned from the Holy Spirit mainly and through the example of women I looked up to for their true holiness… BUT if I met that man again I might wanna start wriggling my but at him in rebellion… excuse me… But no, he taught me nothing… shame does not teach… it only creates anger when directed at innocense.
My only problem with sleeveless and strapless is that you can’t get it high enough in the front OR the back. And to answer the original question, I think that it IS the same for a man as a woman, or at least it should be…
**I agree with that.
Grace <><**
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bcuster
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I understand that men and women have different anatomy that needs to be covered for modesty. Men have traditionally had more problems with pornography; however our new generation of women have been encouraged to look at men as sexual objects. I think that men need to be aware that they need to be modest as well. Tight fitting pants, showing boxers, and unnecessary flaunting of that six-pac can be immodest. Mens swimwear should be modest. No speedos for good Catholic boys!
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Just_wondering
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I think a lot of it is cultural. In Europe, fewer eyebrows are raised if a woman takes her top off at the beach, or if a man wears a Speedo. In America, a woman would certainly be inciting lust in male beach-goers if she took her top off, although Speedo-wearing males might not inspire much more than the giggles. (Speedos don’t do it for me!)
When I first arrived in Korea, I thought I was a pretty modest dresser. Here, though, sleeveless shirts are very risque, and strapless shirts are totally not done. Men or women in sleeveless shirts are likely to be told off by their elders on the subway. There is absolutely no showing of the midriff - low rise jeans can only be worn with very long shirts, and short or sheer shirts are only worn with an undershirt. At the beach, bikinis are quite rare. Usually most girls wear a tankini over a bikini top, with a skirt over the bikini bottoms.
Strangely, though, showing thigh is okay! Lots of girls wear knee socks with miniskirts, even in the winter. Very short shorts are in, too. Girls sitting on the subway have to put their purses on their laps to prevent people catching a glimpse of anything. Arms are well-covered, no bare shoulders, but plenty of thigh for all the world to see. THAT scandalizes me.
I had a woman show me an outfit she was planning to wear on a trip to New York - a miniskirt, knee-high socks, three inch heels, and a fitted t-shirt. I told her she’d look like she was trying to sell her body. She was shocked to learn that America was more prudish than Korea when it comes to showing leg.
For men in Korea - no bare butts hanging out of loose jeans, no sleeveless shirts, and ABSOLUTELY no going shirtless in public, except at the beach. Shorts are not so common for men, thank goodness. I don’t need to be seeing any male thigh.
When I first arrived in Korea, I thought I was a pretty modest dresser. Here, though, sleeveless shirts are very risque, and strapless shirts are totally not done. Men or women in sleeveless shirts are likely to be told off by their elders on the subway. There is absolutely no showing of the midriff - low rise jeans can only be worn with very long shirts, and short or sheer shirts are only worn with an undershirt. At the beach, bikinis are quite rare. Usually most girls wear a tankini over a bikini top, with a skirt over the bikini bottoms.
Strangely, though, showing thigh is okay! Lots of girls wear knee socks with miniskirts, even in the winter. Very short shorts are in, too. Girls sitting on the subway have to put their purses on their laps to prevent people catching a glimpse of anything. Arms are well-covered, no bare shoulders, but plenty of thigh for all the world to see. THAT scandalizes me.
I had a woman show me an outfit she was planning to wear on a trip to New York - a miniskirt, knee-high socks, three inch heels, and a fitted t-shirt. I told her she’d look like she was trying to sell her body. She was shocked to learn that America was more prudish than Korea when it comes to showing leg.
For men in Korea - no bare butts hanging out of loose jeans, no sleeveless shirts, and ABSOLUTELY no going shirtless in public, except at the beach. Shorts are not so common for men, thank goodness. I don’t need to be seeing any male thigh.
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AHapka
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I have to agree with you. I personally don’t take my shirt off when running or doing whatever outside.I also think it’s gross to be honest, when I see a guy jogging with no shirt on…who do they think they are anyways? Are you so much more hotter (I mean temperature wise haha) than the rest of us that you have to remove your shirt to exercise?
To our discredit as men, many of us act as if we haven’t heard about melanoma. It’s not a pleasant cancer to get, but easy to reduce your risk.
Also I don’t think it really keeps you cooler. I mean, think of the Arabs. They have lived in the desert for a very long time and generally wear loose fitting white cloths. I think they are onto something there. I’m sure the white reflects more sunlight then your skin would. I’m betting you are cooler with light fitting white cloths then without.
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Jea9
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I have a problem with that way that you say this… it makes the hair stand up on my neck… I know you don’t mean it like that… but for me a human body is not an occasion of sin. The human body is wonderful and beautiful. All sin comes from the heart, and each person must stand for their own actions. As for me I have fallen in the sexual area in the past… but I would never say that the body of the man I was with was the near occasion of sin. Rather the fornication was a result of the lust in his heart and in my heart. The body is not impure. Its the temple of the Holy Spirit. Many moslems openly say that women are the tools of satan. I hope you shiver too at such a theology…
I think that the human body is wonderful and beautiful as well, after all we are made in God’s image. But a person (body, mind, personality…all of it) CAN be an occasion of sin for another. If I knew that it caused a man to be excited when he saw me in a low cut top and yet I wore low topped shirts all the time in his presence, I would be an occasion of sin for him. We ARE our brother’s keeper and need to be responsible for our actions and how they affect others. I’m sorry that the person who told you that a strapless dress was inappropriate did so in a bad way and moreover was not someone that you respect, but it does not change that wearing a strapless “showin’ some skin” type of dress is inappropriate. (note I have NO idea if that’s what you were wearing and am not in ANY way implying that you are, just making a point that even if someone made this point in a bad way, the point would still be valid
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I think that the human body is wonderful and beautiful as well, after all we are made in God’s image. But a person (body, mind, personality…all of it) CAN be an occasion of sin for another. If I knew that it caused a man to be excited when he saw me in a low cut top and yet I wore low topped shirts all the time in his presence, I would be an occasion of sin for him. We ARE our brother’s keeper and need to be responsible for our actions and how they affect others. I’m sorry that the person who told you that a strapless dress was inappropriate did so in a bad way and moreover was not someone that you respect, but it does not change that wearing a strapless “showin’ some skin” type of dress is inappropriate. (note I have NO idea if that’s what you were wearing and am not in ANY way implying that you are, just making a point that even if someone made this point in a bad way, the point would still be valid
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buckr02
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Something that I don’t understand is the idea that some things are not appropriate except when at the beach or pool. I think a few people have said that a woman wearing just a bra around is not appropriate, but that wearing a bikini is ok. I never understood why people thought bikinis are fine; I mean, it’s just a different material and I don’t see how the fact that you are going swimming changes how much skin you should show.
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GraceDK
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This is how it is. Sin is hardly ever shoved down your troat but its always an act of your will.
If I go to the beach with some friends I mind my own business, I talk to my friends and look them into the eyes when I talk to them. I dont let my eyes wander at all the handsome male bodies around me or even notice if they wear boxers or something else… Its just none of my business… I mean, you dont see people stare at their teachers genital region while in class, do you? well this disciplin of the eyes counts every where. Some men in the secualar world dont think it applies to them… but thats between them and God on judgement day. As for Christian men and women they train their eyes… and if they have a big problems with lust and bikinis or male shorts they dont go to the beach, just like an alcoholic does not go into the bar even though bars are quite harmless in them selves and many people innocently have a good time there.
If I cant be on the beach without having lust in my heart and letting my eyes wander, then I wont blame the men there who look good while having a good time, but I will blame my own heart and I’ll stay away until I am able to handle it.
If you learn to see a woman as a created sister instead as of as a sexobject then you wont have problems… but it takes a revolution in you… not in everyone else.
genital regions should be covered yes, at all times… but dont forget that men have lust in moslem countries when they see a bit of hair fall out under a scarf… so too with English victorian gentlemen… they could not handle to see an angle… then they were already fantazising…
As Jesus said: “Beware how you see… If your eye is dark then so is your whole body”.
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buckr02
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I have two problems with this. First, don’t just apply this to other Catholics on this board, but more importantly, apply this to people who do not believe in God. What if they are lusting after women wearing a bikini on the beach, are you not helping them to sin? They don’t care for personal responsibility, they just want to see girls in bikinis.
Second, with this reasoning, one could say that nude beaches are no problem as well. After all, if one does not let their eyes stray and has responsibility for themselves, it would be fine.
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GraceDK
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I believe there must be a balance.
And no, its not always the problem of the woman. Am I “helping men to lust” at the beach because I wear a bathing suit? Come on… no… but as I said: If I had a problem with men wearing shorts I would be the one to stay away. They did not force me to lust… but I can choose to lust in my heart…
I think men have a right to wear shorts on the beach and swim and have fun. I would not demand that he wears a shirt and trousers that cover his legs until his knees. And yes… I do not look at men when I am on the beach… for some reason I never had a problem with this… probably because I never let my self get going down that road. If I see a man and I think: okay, he looks good that one… then I turn my eyes away so I dont dwell on it and start imagining anything.
Treat others like you want to be treated yourself. Dont look until you lust. Don’t wear clothes that you could not stand others wearing… etc.
I dont have a problem with nude beaches as long as these beaches are lined with warnings : “300 meters and to the left behind the wood you will find a nude beach”. Some people in Japan go to heated pools without clothes on. They do it with like minded people. I would not do it, but I cant be against them or call them perverts… they can handle it. I could not.
There is a difference in shoving nudity down someones elses throat on a public beach where families and single people come.
But tell me, don’t you wear shorts and shorts only the beach?
You know what they say in certain moslem countries: they say that a woman who did not cover her hair was asking for it… rape, that is. We have a responsibility for other people too for sure but we also have a responsibility that you keep that intimate space around an individual free from your imposing thoughts…
If I go to a beach I can obviously handle that a man sees me in a bathing suit… I am not showing him my breasts nor my lower parts… and I expect that if he is a Christian he does not go on to imagine how these look… however if he does, then he is the one with the problem…
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buckr02
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I would actually say that yes, wearing a bikini is helping men to lust. What you are arguing for is personal responsibility, which not everyone cares for.
So here’s a question: if a girl forgot to wear a bathing suit to the beach, would it be ok for her to take off her clothes and just wear her underwear/bra on the beach?
Ok, but my question is really concerned with other areas where this isn’t normal. What I mean is, should nude beaches be allowed in America all over the place, where it is certain there will be plenty of men going just for the lustful aspect?
Yeah, I do. But lust is completely different for a guy than for a girl.
(plus, any girl lusting after me has really bad taste
)The thing that I have a problem with is that bikinis do show a lot of breast, so where is the line drawn?
I know that I struggle with lust, but your suggestion is to stay off the beach until I can control myself. But I want to enjoy the ocean and sand too, you know…
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JimG
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Well, there’s not many alternatives. It’s not likely that beach cities will pass ordinances to prohibit bikinis. So it has to be your responsibility as to how to deal with lust.
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buckr02
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I realize this, I was just making a point. If she is saying that women should have no problem wearing a bikini and that all men who will have a problem with lust because of this should stay off the beach, then pretty soon there are going to be very few men on the beaches.
I don’t understand what the allure of showing off that much of one’s body is, anyway. Doesn’t a simple one-piece perform the same function while showing a lot less?
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JimG
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Well, styles change. I learned long ago that disputing women’s fashions is a lose-lose proposition.
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Fitswimmer
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I remember posting on another forum that my screen name was chosen because I swim for exercise and I was slammed by people telling me that I was committing all kinds of sin by putting on my one piece boring navy swimsuit and going to the Y pool at 5:30 am!
If anyone at that pool, at that hour, can get excited by seeing this body in a swimsuit…then I would suggest that they get some SERIOUS counseling…
If anyone at that pool, at that hour, can get excited by seeing this body in a swimsuit…then I would suggest that they get some SERIOUS counseling…
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Maxply
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I’m a man and used to play tennis without a shirt when I was in my 20s. No sleeve to get in the way of my arms swinging.
But I’m older now. I have more hair. I just don’t want to disgust people with my belly, chest, arm and back hair. It’s not a pleasant sight: my torso’s gotten furrier as I’ve gotten older. And my belly’s not so flat.
I’m stunned women would think a shirtless guy mowing the lawn is worth looking at. Truth be told, this is the one (sweaty and hot) time I will sometimes pull off my shirt.
But I’m older now. I have more hair. I just don’t want to disgust people with my belly, chest, arm and back hair. It’s not a pleasant sight: my torso’s gotten furrier as I’ve gotten older. And my belly’s not so flat.
I’m stunned women would think a shirtless guy mowing the lawn is worth looking at. Truth be told, this is the one (sweaty and hot) time I will sometimes pull off my shirt.
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Margarite
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I don’t see a problem with guys not having shirts on. As long as they are in the appropriate place ie: it is not appropriate to go shopping, or to work without a shirt.
My brothers exorcise without their shirts, and so does my dad. It isn’t a problem for me. The thing I don’t like, and I have seen it amongst boys my age, is when the boys start touching their naked chest and stomach. I don’t like speedos, but to Europeans, it is just the way they do it, so:shrug: The thing I hate the most is sagged pants. YUCK!
As far as women go, I agree that many bikinis are too showy, but believe me it is almost impossible to find a decent one. I wear a bikini because I want my mid-riff tan because if my shirt comes up, I don’t want an iridescent back or stomach showing.
I wear little shorts instead of the underwear style bottoms, and I try to get a straight cut top, though it is getting harder and harder to find.
My mom wears tank-tops in public. She is married, and so that is fine in some places. Like, the Catholic school where my younger sibling go, they asked that women don’t wear tank-tops because lots of women wear them too low and show cleavage. But to soccer games, or when she is going to be in the sun.
My sisters and I don’t wear tanks in front of boys or men, not even our brothers or our father, but when they are not around, tanks are fine.
In Europe children swim naked, now that is gross!
We were always taught that a girl should wear sleeves at church, and modest shirts that don’t show cleavage the rest of the time. Shorts should come at least half way down the thigh and skirts should at least touch the knee. The back can be totally bare.
Earlier someone said that two men asked her to dress a little more modestly. If they yelled at her, then they were wrong, but here let me tell you this.
There was a girl at church one Sunday, she was wearing a wife beater shirt, that came up above her belly button and low-low pants. She kept bending over revealing her playboy tattoo. My dad moved himself and my two brothers to a different pew. After church he went up to her and very nicely asked that next time she make sure her shirt came down and her pants up and that she should wear a shirt that covered her shoulders (This is just considered modest in church for Catholic women). The girl flipped out. My dad was asking her nicely, and not just for himself, he doesn’t really have a problem with that, but also for my brothers, and any future men who might sit behind her, he was addressing the problem.
There is a right and wrong to dress, there is a time and a place for somethings, and other things just don’t belong anywhere. Here are the rules I follow for myself, and the rules my brothers follow. As you can see Girls have it a little harder:shrug:
Girls:
Church:
Sleeves that cover shoulder, skirt that at least touches knee, no words on shirt, not a tight shirt or skirt that shows every curve, no cleavage or mid-riff showing, dress shoes, dressy shirt and skirt or dress. Dress up for God. He doesn’t care, but he cares that you care.
Other places:
No cleavage or mid-riff, no sagging pants, no tight shirt or pants that show every curve, shorts that come half way down calf at least, skirts reach knee, no tanks unless you are married and then still no cleavage.
Swim wear:
Straight across top (if possible), otherwise as modest as possible, that looks good, bottoms shouldn’t sag, and should fit, I like to wear little shorts, but that is just me.
Boys:
Church:
Collared shirt, long nice pants, no jeans or torn pants, no shorts, no shirts with words, belt, coat and tie for Easter and Christmas, dress shoes. Dress up for God. He doesn’t care, but he cares that you care.
Other places:
No sagging pants, no skinny jeans, no super tight shirts, no girly wear.
Swim wear:
trunks that stay up and don’t sag, they should reach the mid-thigh at least, unless it is a speedo, but please don’t wear these!
Someone said earlier that the Church sees men and women as the same. That is untrue, we may be the same before God, but what is required of each person is a little different. We were made differently, we have different needs and different requirements, we should accept these joyfully! God made me a woman, I should be happy to restrict how much of my body I show, I shouldn’t cry and throw a hissy fit saying it isn’t fair, because God made me this way, so I should be happy about it.
Have a WONDER FULL day all.
My brothers exorcise without their shirts, and so does my dad. It isn’t a problem for me. The thing I don’t like, and I have seen it amongst boys my age, is when the boys start touching their naked chest and stomach. I don’t like speedos, but to Europeans, it is just the way they do it, so:shrug: The thing I hate the most is sagged pants. YUCK!
As far as women go, I agree that many bikinis are too showy, but believe me it is almost impossible to find a decent one. I wear a bikini because I want my mid-riff tan because if my shirt comes up, I don’t want an iridescent back or stomach showing.
I wear little shorts instead of the underwear style bottoms, and I try to get a straight cut top, though it is getting harder and harder to find.My mom wears tank-tops in public. She is married, and so that is fine in some places. Like, the Catholic school where my younger sibling go, they asked that women don’t wear tank-tops because lots of women wear them too low and show cleavage. But to soccer games, or when she is going to be in the sun.
My sisters and I don’t wear tanks in front of boys or men, not even our brothers or our father, but when they are not around, tanks are fine.In Europe children swim naked, now that is gross!
We were always taught that a girl should wear sleeves at church, and modest shirts that don’t show cleavage the rest of the time. Shorts should come at least half way down the thigh and skirts should at least touch the knee. The back can be totally bare.
Earlier someone said that two men asked her to dress a little more modestly. If they yelled at her, then they were wrong, but here let me tell you this.
There was a girl at church one Sunday, she was wearing a wife beater shirt, that came up above her belly button and low-low pants. She kept bending over revealing her playboy tattoo. My dad moved himself and my two brothers to a different pew. After church he went up to her and very nicely asked that next time she make sure her shirt came down and her pants up and that she should wear a shirt that covered her shoulders (This is just considered modest in church for Catholic women). The girl flipped out. My dad was asking her nicely, and not just for himself, he doesn’t really have a problem with that, but also for my brothers, and any future men who might sit behind her, he was addressing the problem.
There is a right and wrong to dress, there is a time and a place for somethings, and other things just don’t belong anywhere. Here are the rules I follow for myself, and the rules my brothers follow. As you can see Girls have it a little harder:shrug:
Girls:
Church:
Sleeves that cover shoulder, skirt that at least touches knee, no words on shirt, not a tight shirt or skirt that shows every curve, no cleavage or mid-riff showing, dress shoes, dressy shirt and skirt or dress. Dress up for God. He doesn’t care, but he cares that you care.
Other places:
No cleavage or mid-riff, no sagging pants, no tight shirt or pants that show every curve, shorts that come half way down calf at least, skirts reach knee, no tanks unless you are married and then still no cleavage.
Swim wear:
Straight across top (if possible), otherwise as modest as possible, that looks good, bottoms shouldn’t sag, and should fit, I like to wear little shorts, but that is just me.
Boys:
Church:
Collared shirt, long nice pants, no jeans or torn pants, no shorts, no shirts with words, belt, coat and tie for Easter and Christmas, dress shoes. Dress up for God. He doesn’t care, but he cares that you care.
Other places:
No sagging pants, no skinny jeans, no super tight shirts, no girly wear.
Swim wear:
trunks that stay up and don’t sag, they should reach the mid-thigh at least, unless it is a speedo, but please don’t wear these!
Someone said earlier that the Church sees men and women as the same. That is untrue, we may be the same before God, but what is required of each person is a little different. We were made differently, we have different needs and different requirements, we should accept these joyfully! God made me a woman, I should be happy to restrict how much of my body I show, I shouldn’t cry and throw a hissy fit saying it isn’t fair, because God made me this way, so I should be happy about it.
Have a WONDER FULL day all.
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