Is Mormonism a Polytheistic religion?

[TheExorcist]

I called that Mormon-thinking my “cult brain”. You are trained to think a certain way about everything. Borrowing from Yoda – you have to unlearn what you have learned.

It takes time in a circumstance where you are able to remove yourself from Mormon indoctrination. Still immersed in it as you are is extremely difficult. Do you have a rosary? If not I make the inexpensive plastic mission rosaries and will send you one. Just PM me your address.

Be patient and pray for God’s guidance and protection.

Yes, I try to pray the rosary most days. I also pray the LOTH many days.

Patience is my watchword, God’s guidance and grace are my touchstones. It will happen someday. Hopefully sooner than later. The longer I study Catholic dogma the more I realize the folly of Mormonism.

 

[BrotherJohn7]

Although I have not read all posts in this thread I have read enough mis-truths and misguided statements that I cannot read any more.

I am a Mormon and this is what we believe:

We believe in The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.

We believe they are three distinct beings (as demonstrated during Christ’s baptism) that act in concert with each other, thus making them “The Godhead”.

We pray ONLY to Heavenly Father, in the name of the Son, Jesus Christ. In my understanding the Catholic Church comes much closer to worshiping multiple gods through the practice of worshiping Saints - and even Mary. The LDS Church has no such practices, period.

We do not believe in multiple Gods in the sense that the Greeks and others believed in multiple Gods and we certainly pray to no being other than God the Father - we believe that every man, is created in the likeness and image of God, The Father (to include Jesus Christ), is on a spiritual path to become like unto God - eternal and perfected.

Jesus being further advanced than the rest of us became like unto God, The Father, and thus became the creator of this planet and all that lies within it.

Heed this Catholic Christians - judge not what ye understand not, for what we practice comes from the Bible itself. Further, put your own house in order before you act in an un-Christlike manner acting in nothing less than hypocrisy.

There are few, if any, Christ-like attitudes or opinions found in this thread. I encourage you to think about that.

 

[BrotherJohn7]

I find it even more ironic that he’s also LDS. That certainly explains a lot to me.

All Mormon’s are speed readers? Shall we draw to the assumption that all Catholic’s are ignorant? Child molesters? Please tell me that you are not serious.

 

[Jim_Dandy]

Yes, I try to pray the rosary most days. I also pray the LOTH many days.

Patience is my watchword, God’s guidance and grace are my touchstones. It will happen someday. Hopefully sooner than later. The longer I study Catholic dogma the more I realize the folly of Mormonism.

Many do not realize that the Rosary is a contemplative prayer. The purpose is the contemplation of the events in the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of our Lord. The prayers are “background music.” Prayed properly, it brings relaxation and peace. I’m so glad you have introduced yourself to this form of prayer, which was unknown to me as a Protestant. I suspect it’s also unknown in Mormonism.

For the LOTH, do you use
bing.com/search?q=universalis&src=IE-SearchBox&FORM=IE8SRC ?

 

[KathleenGee]

Catholics…child molesters? Only 1% priest pedophile. The main issue was homosexuality…4% of priests guilty…Statistically, Catholic priests rank at the bottom of sexual abuse of other religions, denominations, and 100% less than the secular abusers in public schools.

God is one substance…Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. There have been numerous posters showing Mormonism’s plurality of gods…

I would like to encourage Mormons to read and study St. Thomas Aquinas, ‘Summa Theologica’.

 

[twopekinguys]

Although I have not read all posts in this thread I have read enough mis-truths and misguided statements that I cannot read any more.

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We pray ONLY to Heavenly Father, in the name of the Son, Jesus Christ. In my understanding the Catholic Church comes much closer to worshiping multiple gods through the practice of worshiping Saints - and even Mary.

Your understanding is obviously flawed. Maybe you should heed your own advice that you gave below.

Heed this Catholic Christians - judge not what ye understand not, for what we practice comes from the Bible itself. Further, put your own house in order before you act in an un-Christlike manner acting in nothing less than hypocrisy.

This was the “advice” I was speaking of. You just need to substitute mormon for Catholic. It is obvious by your post(s) that you have either no knowledge of the Catholic faith, or it is at best, limited and skewed.

There are few, if any, Christ-like attitudes or opinions found in this thread. I encourage you to think about that.

Your post doesn’t exactly exude a Christ-like behavior now does it?

 

[BrotherJohn7]

Eve had one motive and only one motive. God created the world according to a plan.

In order that you and I would also enter the world, and the plan be executed, Adam and Eve HAD TO fall. The fall occurred according to God’s will. Do you think this was an accident? Do you think God left it all up to Adam and Eve, to chance?

How many children did Adam and Eve have before this first sin?

There was embarrassment because previously there was only innocence. With knowing, with knowledge, also come pain and sin - to be without God and to venture out on one’s own. The recognition of their nakedness is as much a metaphor as it is literal.

Satan, IMHO, is integral to God’s plan. Through the struggle of sin we all become humbled - we all learn true gratitude for our Father’s mercy and his great love for us through the atoning sacrifice of our Savior.

In a sense it is like we’re all teenagers begging for our freedoms only to discover that the world is a difficult place to survive in. When we are young we think we have all of the answers. We tend to not appreciate the gifts nor the wisdom of our parents. But as we progress through life we realize, with gratitude, all that has been done for us. We realize our parents struggle, how much the love and care for us (as we become parents ourselves). I simply do not think this is even possible without experiencing parenthood.

What I see being totally bypassed is Genesis 3:6, and instead the assumption that Genesis 3:5 contains not only the serpent’s words of temptation, but also the thoughts of Adam and Eve as though he were controlling their thoughts. (The serpent wasn’t controlling their thoughts.)

When Satan tempts anyone, it does not mean they have listened and obeyed the temptation. It does not mean the tempter has successfully clouded their thoughts, or pushed them in a direction. It does mean he has tried, and will continue to try, and will deceive in whatever way he comes up with, and no doubt it will be deceptive. So I think we agree that he is a deceiver, and that he tempts, and that his temptations oppose God’s plan for humankind.

It just becomes a question of
“why skip over Genesis 3:6 and assume Eve didn’t really have those motives?”

 

[BrotherJohn7]

Kathleen -

Apparently I didn’t make myself clear to you.

It would be an ignorant statement to classify all Catholic’s as child molesters because of a few high profile cases. I am likening that ignorance, which certainly exists in some - but no myself, to the ignorance of the original poster.

Catholics…child molesters? Only 1% priest pedophile. The main issue was homosexuality…4% of priests guilty…Statistically, Catholic priests rank at the bottom of sexual abuse of other religions, denominations, and 100% less than the secular abusers in public schools.

God is one substance…Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. There have been numerous posters showing Mormonism’s plurality of gods…

I would like to encourage Mormons to read and study St. Thomas Aquinas, ‘Summa Theologica’.

 

[Jim_Dandy]

Although I have not read all posts in this thread I have read enough mis-truths and misguided statements that I cannot read any more.

I am a Mormon and this is what we believe:

We believe in The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.

We believe they are three distinct beings (as demonstrated during Christ’s baptism) that act in concert with each other, thus making them “The Godhead”.

We pray ONLY to Heavenly Father, in the name of the Son, Jesus Christ. In my understanding the Catholic Church comes much closer to worshiping multiple gods through the practice of worshiping Saints - and even Mary. The LDS Church has no such practices, period.

We do not believe in multiple Gods in the sense that the Greeks and others believed in multiple Gods and we certainly pray to no being other than God the Father - we believe that every man, is created in the likeness and image of God, The Father (to include Jesus Christ), is on a spiritual path to become like unto God - eternal and perfected.

Jesus being further advanced than the rest of us became like unto God, The Father, and thus became the creator of this planet and all that lies within it.

Heed this Catholic Christians - judge not what ye understand not, for what we practice comes from the Bible itself. Further, put your own house in order before you act in an un-Christlike manner acting in nothing less than hypocrisy.

There are few, if any, Christ-like attitudes or opinions found in this thread. I encourage you to think about that.

As I have said many times, Mormons are welcome to believe whatever they wish, and I would have no objection. My objection is that they call their very un-Christian beliefs, well, Christian. When Catholics say “Christ” and Mormons say “Christ” we’re not talking about the same Person.

I visited your profle. You don’t care to give your religious affiliation as Mormon? It helps to know your POV when you post.

Welcome to the forum!

Jim Dandy

 

[KathleenGee]

We, as Catholics, believe that we are made in the image of God, that we are the highest of all His creation. How we image God is that we were created with a free will and intellect. Off hand, yes, it would appear they were set up to fail…I have thought of that… Christ is the Word God spoke through which the universe was made.

Adam and Eve had free will and intellect, and they could see God. They had everything. But they disobeyed Him by Satan, the author of all lies, theft, and murder, who said they could become as gods. When Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit, they were acting now out of mistrust of God, no longer depending on Him for their entire sustinence.

Thus Adam had to toil from the dust, for which he will return, his wife subject to him, and her childbirth more painful.

They could see everything. They broke from God and disobeyed Him…their free choice and will.

 

[catholic-rcia]

What I see being totally bypassed is Genesis 3:6, and instead the assumption that Genesis 3:5 contains not only the serpent’s words of temptation, but also the thoughts of Adam and Eve as though he were controlling their thoughts. (The serpent wasn’t controlling their thoughts.)

When Satan tempts anyone, it does not mean they have listened and obeyed the temptation. It does not mean the tempter has successfully clouded their thoughts, or pushed them in a direction. It does mean he has tried, and will continue to try, and will deceive in whatever way he comes up with, and no doubt it will be deceptive. So I think we agree that he is a deceiver, and that he tempts, and that his temptations oppose God’s plan for humankind.

It just becomes a question of
“why skip over Genesis 3:6 and assume Eve didn’t really have those motives?”

Parker slow down for a moment and open up your heart. No speed reading…

I would not skip over Genesis 3:6. I have no need to do that. Anything in the scriptures for that matter. I understand that kind of sin because I understand my own sinful nature. I have a great love for my first parents and all is forgiven.

When you come to understand the sin of being your own god in your daily life it can be pretty scary, you may have never seen this about yourself I do not know. If you do not have Jesus to hold you up and love you as you are, as you found yourself, that is scary.

Adam and Eve / Mankind had free will choice just as we all do. I can’t separate Adam and Eve from my own life just as they cannot separate themselves from me. We are a community, the body of Christ.

The Prodigal Son has really helped me to understand my own nature, good and bad. We as humans / humanity did not need to sever Gods Grace, yet it happened. It happens every day of our lives. Good times bad times all part of the mix.

Maybe its just what Gods Creatures have to go through in order to freely choose Him, to want to listen to Him rather than temptation. In all of this we have to rely on Jesus, build a relationship with Him. Allow Him to carry us back to the garden never wanting to leave again. This for me is the kind of progression I have come to know. It is a pathway to and through the Cross.

It is easy to see the sin of others and miss your own. Maybe the sin of an entire church. Some may say “But I am not a sinner” That alone would be a very good reason to utilize the Sacrament of Confession. Make an examination of conscience. It may even be considered a mortal sin, one that can destroy your soul. Taking sole possession of the good that you do is denying Jesus Himself in you. Where will that lead you? All good comes from Jesus Parker, not from Parker. Not from Rich as well. Come to this and you move into Trinity. Or you allow the Holy Trinity to move into you.

You can be nothing but a hammer being used, only to be thrown out when it falls apart. But a hammer that knows the one who is hammering gives his master all glory and praise for the work that it is part of, in building Gods Kingdom. Now that becomes a special kind of hammer. One that never falls apart because it understands the connection with His Master. (True love)

Maybe a stupid analogy, but willing to go with it anyway.

God is Wisdom, He gives it to us freely if we are willing to submit to His will. Taking it as if it were our own is the devils game. It is what he offers. It all comes down to a sense of the Holy Trinity in order to have somewhat of an understanding. Not that I am smart. I am not smart at all. I just feel blessed because of the Sacraments, what I have been taught by others, how the Holy Spirit has been moving in my life. I was asked last week to make a 6 foot cross for our children’s Bible study. Even before I went into the woods I knew the pieces were there already waiting for me to be guided to them. I did not have to look for the perfect pieces, all I had to do was walk and listen for direction. They ended up with a beautiful pine cross. Tell me this Parker. Who prompted this making of a cross? Me? Who delivered this Cross? Me? Joy comes from doing His work, has nothing to do with me. I just get to be the hammer and I am more than good with that position. I did get a gift certificate for the Home depot out of it. Who am I going to thank? The one who handed it to me? No way. I thanked Jesus for it and accepted it in humility. The great thing is they too understand this. They are Catholic.

 

[BrotherJohn7]

Dear Kathleen -

Speaking as a Mormon, we believe exactly what you
have written! We are in complete agreement.

We, as Catholics, believe that we are made in the image of God, that we are the highest of all His creation. How we image God is that we were created with a free will and intellect. Off hand, yes, it would appear they were set up to fail…I have thought of that… Christ is the Word God spoke through which the universe was made.

Adam and Eve had free will and intellect, and they could see God. They had everything. But they disobeyed Him by Satan, the author of all lies, theft, and murder, who said they could become as gods. When Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit, they were acting now out of mistrust of God, no longer depending on Him for their entire sustinence.

Thus Adam had to toil from the dust, for which he will return, his wife subject to him, and her childbirth more painful.

They could see everything. They broke from God and disobeyed Him…their free choice and will.

 

[BrotherJohn7]

I’m sorry Jim Dandy, but I don’t pretend to understand
your belief that when you and I say “Christ” we mean
two different Persons.

And I’m sorry, but I didn’t care to fill out my profile. To
me it doesn’t really matter. What matters is that we
converse from an agreement of what the truth is - at
least as far as it is possible to agree.

Or, in other words, I don’t care to be stereotyped.

And while I respect whatever you care to believe, as a
being blessed with the gift of freewill, we cannot arrive
at the Truth through the spread of lies. And most of
what I have read here about my faith is not based in
anything resembling truth, but rather gossip of the
lowest form.

If you don’t agree with what I believe based on an
understanding what I truly believe, then that’s cool.

If you don’t agree with what I believe based upon
mistruths, well, I feel compelled to correct those mistruths.

I am a Mormon.

I am a convert.

I came to this path through seeking the truth in many
directions.

I became a Mormon for one reason, primary over all
others -

My perception of ALL Christian’s was based in the
recognition of widespread hypocrisy - of seeing people
saying one thing and doing another.

When I met the Mormon’s, with extreme scrutiny and
prejudice I might add, I found people walking what I
believed was the example of Christ.

Is that every single Mormon? No. But the vast
majority represented what I believed a Christian
should represent.

You and I can debate doctrine and texts until our
days expire. We will never understand everything
about how our Creator works. Therefore I place less
credence on interpretations (though they are
certainly important) and I place more value on whether
people walk the talk and embody what our Savior
intended.

In my view religion has one intention, one purpose -
to guide us in the direction of living our Savior’s
example so that we might be of service to the
world through living that example.

All the best to you -

PS - Thank you for welcoming me. Although I
may seem like a hostile, I’m not. We both believe
in a moral code at odds with the vast majority of
this world. We are much closer to being friends
than to being adversaries. I’d like to understand
more about the Catholic faith, being clear that
Protestant faiths are not the intended path - though
still better than complete rejection of the Savior at that.

As I have said many times, Mormons are welcome to believe whatever they wish, and I would have no objection. My objection is that they call their very un-Christian beliefs, well, Christian. When Catholics say “Christ” and Mormons say “Christ” we’re not talking about the same Person.

I visited your profle. You don’t care to give your religious affiliation as Mormon? It helps to know your POV when you post.

Welcome to the forum!

Jim Dandy

 

[KathleenGee]

BrotherJohn,

Welcome to you as well!

I have read that a Mormon sharing with us said that Eve wanted wisdom…when it was very clear Satan did not offer her wisdom, but to know good vs evil, to become as gods…That is played out in every generation…proud and separated people wanting to play god, decide who lives and who dies, and these pogroms and other forms wiping out surplus or inferior populations.

BTW, what part of the country do you live in? I am familiar with the Mormon beliefs coming out of Utah that have been traditionally held my Mormons out here…the east side Mormons do not carry so many ideas.

Also you have to remember that it is Joseph Smith, not Christ, in your construct of beliefs who said Christianity is corrupt, the Roman Church an abomination, etc. We have alot of teachings but we do not focus on being antipathic to Mormons as I have seen in Mormon teachings, practices, and rituals.

Catholicism is based on the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. He is the new temple…We do not give weight to the physical building of the Vatican or to our churches as we do Jesus Christ being our glory and Living Temple.

Why don’t you become Catholic then if we are alike? We have a long history, many saints, many paths to the Lord, many forms of liturgy, and a historical heritage upon which Western civilization evolved…so there has to be some good Catholics around.

So if you profess to say the Mormons and Catholics are alike and have the same beliefs, than join us!

 

[RebeccaJ]

Mormonism is polytheistic, period, having a belief in more than one god. Whether or not those gods are worshipped is immaterial. Please read Mormon scripture, there is no ambiguity in this. A plurality of gods is clearly spelled out. To say otherwise, here, may go over with people who don’t know, but you can’t fool those of us who are converts to Christ’s Church from Mormonism.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Dear Kathleen -

Speaking as a Mormon, we believe exactly what you
have written! We are in complete agreement.

You may want to review this thread:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=435463

 

[BrotherJohn7]

Dear Rebecca -

I have no desire to fool anyone, including myself.

A) Genesis 1: 26¶And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Does God not say “Let US make man in OUR image”? Who is “us”? Who is “our”? Who exactly is hanging out with God here?

Frankly, I think you are confused, as I was once confused. There is “God” - God the Father and there is “God”, Jesus. Jesus became like God, and thus became “a” God. Satan, Jesus’ brother, did not. Some will become like God and thus “a” God, and others will not. And God the Father will ALWAYS preside over all.

When we read Genesis “God” is Jesus. Jesus created the world, as we are told in Hebrews -

1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

So, it seems pretty clear - does it not - that Jesus created the world and is therefore “God” referenced in Genesis, however Hebrews makes it clear that “God” The Father, sent Jesus to create this world.

By technical definition, the Bible itself has just defined two Gods for us - the Father, and the Son.

The Father and the Son are not one in the same, though they act in concert, otherwise Jesus prayed to himself in Gethsemane.

“Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.”

Beyond these two named instances, in the Bible, there are no other named gods ever mentioned anyplace else that I am aware of. But as I said, please show me reference, dear Rebecca, to the other gods you speak of and I will concede to you.

I will also add this -

God did not say “I am the Lord thy God. … I am the ONLY God.”

He said . . .

2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

The Lord himself specifies that there are “other gods”. He does not say “there ARE no other gods” or “thou shalt recognize no other gods” - He says “thou shalt have no other gods before me”.

Now my wife and I have had debate about what this means. She says money, for example, is a god to some. I can see her point. But then there is also the command against idolatry. I believe that covers all things in the physical realm, such as money. When we are commanded to have “no other gods before me” I think we can take that literally.

All the best to you -

Mormonism is polytheistic, period, having a belief in more than one god. Whether or not those gods are worshipped is immaterial. Please read Mormon scripture, there is no ambiguity in this. A plurality of gods is clearly spelled out. To say otherwise, here, may go over with people who don’t know, but you can’t fool those of us who are converts to Christ’s Church from Mormonism.

 

[TheExorcist]

Many do not realize that the Rosary is a contemplative prayer. The purpose is the contemplation of the events in the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of our Lord. The prayers are “background music.” Prayed properly, it brings relaxation and peace. I’m so glad you have introduced yourself to this form of prayer, which was unknown to me as a Protestant. I suspect it’s also unknown in Mormonism.

For the LOTH, do you use
bing.com/search?q=universalis&src=IE-SearchBox&FORM=IE8SRC ?

Yes I do use universalis but also the podcast from divineoffice.org

When I first tried to leave the LDS I landed in an Episcopal parish (in SLC no less) whose rector is a former Catholic priest. It’s there that I learned contemplative prayer. Every other week we had a half hour of contemplative prayer followed by a book discussion (the one we were doing when I was attending was Into the Silent Land by Martin Laird) and then to end we prayed Compline.

Blessings,

Charles

 

[BrotherJohn7]

Dear Kathleen -

We need to consider, always, the context of history.

I read many posts online that mention only a thread of
the truth.

During Joseph Smith’s day religion was up for grabs in
the United States. New preachers entered towns every
day seeking to gain followers. Many of these preachers
were, as we see today, exploiting “Christianity” as a
way of making a buck and gaining social power.

It was this environment that lead him to pray, out of
confusion “Which of these religions is the truth?”

I don’t believe that the Catholic Church, with a central
structure was a part of this. And it can only be
speculated that the church referred to as “the great
abomination” is the Catholic Church since it is the
only church that could have been labelled as great
at that time - but still it’s only speculation and could
also be, in my opinion, the Anglican church. I confess
that I don’t know the history of the Catholic church in
the US but since most who came to America did so
to escape religious persecution I would assume the
Catholic church was not a great power in America.

Clearly there are differences in what we believe, however,
when it comes to the nature of Christ I find it absolutely
dumbfounding how anyone can claim Mormon’s are not
Christian.

To be blunt, we believe the Catholic Church to be the
original Church established by Christ.

We believe that along the way something was lost in
translation, through the interference of politics and outside
influences.

We believe protestantism to be a complete fracturing
of what remained of the truth.

And we believe that the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter Day Saints to be a restoration of the true gospel.

And as I pointed out, at the expense of sounding like I
suggest most Catholics are less than examples of
Christ, “the product” if you will, of the “Mormon”
Church embodies what I believe a follower of Christ
should embody.

And to mind, I can’t claim that I’ve ever known an
active Catholic (as impossible as that sounds because
I’ve been around). I’ve known a lot of people who claim
to be Catholic’s but never one that is.

I do admit my envy of your beautiful buildings, art,
robes - and even tradition. But I’m sorry, that’s also
not what I think it’s all about, save the tradition.

All the best to you -

PS - I’m a west coast guy who’s lived all over the US
and I now reside in Tennessee where I can assure
the weather will put the fear of God into anyone.

PSS - I want to be clear that I am not here to
convert anyone, most especially by the weakening
of their faith. I wish you to be strong in what you
believe if it brings you closer to God. I arrived here
and felt prompted to make a post to clarify mis-truths.

BrotherJohn,

Welcome to you as well!

I have read that a Mormon sharing with us said that Eve wanted wisdom…when it was very clear Satan did not offer her wisdom, but to know good vs evil, to become as gods…That is played out in every generation…proud and separated people wanting to play god, decide who lives and who dies, and these pogroms and other forms wiping out surplus or inferior populations.

BTW, what part of the country do you live in? I am familiar with the Mormon beliefs coming out of Utah that have been traditionally held my Mormons out here…the east side Mormons do not carry so many ideas.

Also you have to remember that it is Joseph Smith, not Christ, in your construct of beliefs who said Christianity is corrupt, the Roman Church an abomination, etc. We have alot of teachings but we do not focus on being antipathic to Mormons as I have seen in Mormon teachings, practices, and rituals.

Catholicism is based on the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. He is the new temple…We do not give weight to the physical building of the Vatican or to our churches as we do Jesus Christ being our glory and Living Temple.

Why don’t you become Catholic then if we are alike? We have a long history, many saints, many paths to the Lord, many forms of liturgy, and a historical heritage upon which Western civilization evolved…so there has to be some good Catholics around.

So if you profess to say the Mormons and Catholics are alike and have the same beliefs, than join us!

 

[Jim_Dandy]

I’m sorry Jim Dandy, but I don’t pretend to understand
your belief that when you and I say “Christ” we mean
two different Persons.

God-talk is different in Mormonism. Long story short, Mormons believe that the earth-God is an ‘exalted’ man of flesh and bones, one of many Gods in the universe, who lives near the star Kolob and produces endless spirit children through sexual relations with his goddess wives (plural). In this “pre-existence,” two of his spirit children, Jesus and Lucifer, competed for the right to come to earth to save Heavenly Father’s other spirit children (that’s us folks – we are literally brothers and sisters of both Jesus and Satan.) Jesus (the Christ) won. It made Lucifer (Satan) mad that Heaven Father selected Jesus to come to earth and he’s been causing trouble ever since. Mormonism used to teach that Jesus was born after Heavenly Father had sexual intercourse with Mary, but now they deny it

The Mormon Jesus is a created being.

Jesus is the only person who had our heavenly father as the father of his body" (family home evening manual p.125-126 1972)

“The birth of the savior was as natural as the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood—was begotten of his father, as were of our fathers.” (Journal of Discourses vol.8 p.115)

I will say that I was naturally begotten; so was my father, and also my Savior Jesus Christ. According to the Scriptures, he is the first begotten of his father in the flesh, and there was nothing unnatural about it. (Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, 8:211)

And who is the Father? He is the first of the human family. Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, pages 50-51)

He [Brigham Young] said that our GOD was Father Adam He was the Father of the Savior Jesus Christ Our God was no more or less than ADAM. " (“Wilford Woodruff Journal,” Feb. 19,1854)

Christ was begotten of God. He was NOT born without the aid of man and that man was God!" (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1:18)

To any Christian, there are three Persons in One God. Jesus Christ is the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, who existed before the universe began and who, together with the Father and the Spirit, is its Creator. He is One in Being (Substance) with the Father, God from God, Light from Light, True God from True God. There is only One God. Jesus became incarnate of the Virgin Mary by the power of the Holy Spirit and became man.

The Christian Jesus is uncreated.

And I’m sorry, but I didn’t care to fill out my profile.

That’s okay. We know you, and others will soon.

To me it doesn’t really matter. What matters is that we
converse from an agreement of what the truth is - at
least as far as it is possible to agree.

Brother John, There is nothing in Mormon doctrine or theology that Catholic Christians (or any other Christians) can agree with. We’ve settled these issues many times over.

But we can agree about social programs, such as feeding the poor.

Please search the threads. Try reading all of the posts in this one. What were you before you became a Mormon, if I may ask? If you don’t want to answer, that’s okay.
You’ll find many, many threads about Mormons – just use the search function.

If you want to continue to argue the Jesus question, please start another thread, But there are already many such threads. You might want to read them.

Jim Dandy