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SteveVH
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Because even in the face of the evidence, they still claim to be monotheistic. If they had just stated their beliefs without that claim there would be no need for further discussion. That hasn’t happened yet.
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Linda_June
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So, what do Mormons believe happens to women at the end of their earthly lives?
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SteveVH
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If they are married and sealed in the Temple they are brought into the celestial realm of heaven by their husbands where they will procreate “spirit children” for eternity, who will, in turn, worship them just as we worship our God. Not sure what happens to those poor women who cannot find a husband, but I believe there is the possibility of them being sealed to their parents and reaching the same place. I could be wrong.So, what do Mormons believe happens to women at the end of their earthly lives?
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Irishmen10
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We acknowledge the fact that there are more “Gods” than just our God but we worship only ONE God and that is God The Father. We do believe that God The Father and Jesus Christ the Son of God and the Holy Ghost or the Spirit of the Lord are three distinct and separate individuals but to say that we worship three different Gods is false. These three individuals that make up what we call the Godhead are ONE in purpose. God the Father is the father of our spirits. He is the only one that we worship. Jesus Christ is our older brother and Savior. Without Him we would not be able to return and live with our Heavenly Father. The Holy Ghost or the Spirit is a comforter that the Lord sends to give us hope, or answers, or guidence, the role of the Holy Ghost is mainly to provide us with comfort and to testify of Jesus Christ. I keep reading on these threads that because we believe that the Godhead are three separate individuals that we worship three different Gods. In order for them to be different, they can’t be ONE in purpose. All three work to get us back to live with our Heavenly Father, thats it. There’s no God of War or God of Xbox or anyother type of God. God is God the Father, the only one we worship.
The closest thing I can compare this to is the Virgin Mary, catholics don’t worship her, they venerate her, they hold her just under Christ. Same with the Saints. Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost answer to God the Father…Thus, we worship God the Father and HIM only.
The closest thing I can compare this to is the Virgin Mary, catholics don’t worship her, they venerate her, they hold her just under Christ. Same with the Saints. Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost answer to God the Father…Thus, we worship God the Father and HIM only.
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Jim_Dandy
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Yes.
They are united in purpose, not in Essence and Nature.
No. He said they are three distinct GODS.
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Plurality of Gods
I will preach on the plurality of Gods. I have selected the text for that express purpose. I wish to declare I have always and in all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Diety, it has always been the plurality of Gods. It has been preached by the Elders for fifteen years.
I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a distinct personage from God the Father, and that the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods. If this is in accordance with the New Testament, lo and behold! we have three Gods anyhow, and they are plural, and who can contradict it?
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Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, Deseret Book Company, Salt Lake City, Utah, 1976, page 369.
“Heavenly Father” is an exalted man of flesh and bones and body parts, and was once a man like us. Is that “an attribute of perfection”? And all Mormon males are eligible to become Gods in the afterlife just like Heavenly Father, and rule over their own kingdoms. and produce endless spirit children with their goddess wives (plural), and live happily ever after. Condition #1 of their godhood - in this life, they must give 10% of their gross income to the LDS. Without fail. Their bishop reviews their income tax reports for verification.
Doctrine &Covenants; Gospel Principles (1986), both published by the LDS, Salt Lake City; and personal knowledge from a Mormon friend (about the bishop)
I don’t give a hoot what Mormons believe. My problem is that they insist on calling their religion Christian. They allege that all of Christendom – from the Mother Church, the Catholic Church, and all the thousands of denominations that have ultimately split from her – are “apostate.” The LDS organization aims to replace the Church founded by Christ for the salvation of the world.
Jim Dandy
Ex-Southern Baptist, ex-agnostic, ex-atheist, ecstatic to be Catholic!
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PaulDupre
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Excellent summary,Jim!
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Jim_Dandy
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A Mormon wife had better be pleasing to their husbands on earth, because he calls ***her ***out of the grave (but she doesn’t call him):So, what do Mormons believe happens to women at the end of their earthly lives?
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Every person going through the temple for the first time, and doing all the ordinances thereof, will receive a new name, men and women, to hold sacred and secret until the day comes in which it will be used. But the women get to tell their husbands her new and secret name, just because he will be the one calling her out of the grave at due time. She doesn’t need to know his name, because she won’t be calling him.
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Read more: wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_Mormon_practice_of_a_husband_giving_his_wife_a_new_name_to_get_into_heaven#ixzz1UlTQfPE3
The question is in error, as the answer shows. The husband doesn’t give the name. But he’d darn well better remember it, or his wife will be left in the grave! What if he doesn’t want her to be one of his goddess wives? He’ll just leave her there, I 'spose.
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Jim_Dandy
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This is what I find aggravating. You compare your polytheistic religion, founded by Joseph Smith, the “glass looker” using peep stones in his hat by occupation, to the Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ, the God-Man, for the salvation of the world.
Chutzpa to the max! Your religion isn’t even Christian; consequently, there are no comparisons to be made.
Jim Dandy
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Irishmen10
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Define “Christian” for me please.
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Springkeeper
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That is my problem as well. Reading Mormon beliefs on their own website makes it clear they are not Christian in any real way and yet they keep insisting on a lie which makes their father not God but the father of lies.
Sadly, Mormonism is becoming “mainstream” due partly to people perceived as being Christian such as Mitt Romney and Glenn Beck but more so due to the sheer biblical (and theological) ignorance of far too many Americans.
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PaulDupre
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I have not seen any post on this forum that says you worship more than one god. The posts I have seen complain about the fact that you believe in the existence of more than one god.
Perhaps you are not aware that many Christians in the last 2000 years have died as martyrs for the truth that there is only ONE GOD and no other god can possibly exist.
When you come on this forum and claim the LDS doctrine that there are untold billions of gods and see nothing wrong with it, we think of the many thousands of Christians who were crucified, beheaded, burned at the stake, fed to the lions, buried alive, etc. for the testimony that there is only ONE GOD and there has never been another God and will never be another God, as the bible clearly teaches:
Just so you know.
Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
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Denise1957
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By what you’ve written above, you seem to be saying that you worship only God the Father, not Jesus Christ. Perhaps this has something to do with why non-Mormons come to the conclusion that Mormonism isn’t Christian. Catholic Christians, and most Protestant Christians, base their faith on Jesus Christ - hence the term, “Christian,” to describe our religious affiliation and attachment to Jesus Christ as our Redeemer.
Perhaps Mormonism can be said to more closely resemble Judaism, in that it focuses on God the Father? Maybe I’m wrong to make the connection with Judaism.
Catholicism teaches that we worship One God in three Divine Persons - Father, Son, and Holy Ghost (or Holy Spirit).
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Miriam1947
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Wow, Paul. Thank you for this post and so many others.
I have been to ex mormon sites and so many have become agnostic or atheist.
So sad. They feel betrayed and now cannot believe in God at all.
You are such a witness to the grace that is available to all of us, including Mormons.
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PaulDupre
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Thank you, Miriam. When I left the LDS, I felt so hurt, lied to and betrayed that I also went through a 24-year period of bitter atheism. Finally, God in His mercy called to me. I tried to resist but He kept after me until I started looking for the truth. I read everything about every religion from paganism to taoism to buddhism to Islam to Judaism to Protestant Christianity. At the end I looked into Catholicism (the faith of my fathers) and found the truth I was looking for. When I read the Catechism and the Early Church Fathers, I knew I had come home at last.
Thank you, Jesus!
Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
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Miriam1947
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24 years. That is a very long time. God is wonderful.
I thought I was a Christian. After all, I went to church (sometimes), was never baptized (Who knew it was so important?) but, it really came down to I didn’t have a clue.
And then some how, some way, I became a Catholic. I just wanted to worship God. And I found true worship to God in the Catholic Church.
I was 61 years old when I was baptized in the Catholic Church. And I thank Him every single day that I am a Catholic.
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KathleenGee
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Spiritual abuse…Paul’s experience is similar to those leaving Mormonism, and it takes some much time to heal even if they are now Catholic.
As the ideas of Mormonism continue to peel away, again we are brought to their ideas, their beliefs in billions of gods…men baptized after they were dead who decided to become Mormon and become exalted…now baptized so they can become gods?
This is a very strange doctrine, and I have yet to read about pagan gods believing the same.
Growing up a cradle Catholic in a home with devotion to the Gospel, the saints, compassion for those who suffer, and being faithful to our own faith, there is no way our Catholic Church beliefs and practices are corrupt or an abomination to the Lord.
I do not believe the Lord sees our faith as corrupt or an abomination when we are not martyrs but ordinary people trying our best to be one with Him.
I don’t buy the new comments here that we are really the same…that is more spin…and not letting people know our loved ones and fellow believer are being baptized …as being loving…it makes me think of a past thread…‘lying for the Lord’.
People are not being given the full deck of what Mormons believe…and it is very difficult to communicate and make sense to a very different mindset.
No Mormonism and Catholicism are not similar. We are called to a life of holiness with the Lord, not this after life perpetual sex and procreation. St. Paul had a glimpse of heaven, and in no way did he mention sex. This reflects a spirituality of the flesh rather than of the Spirit.
As the ideas of Mormonism continue to peel away, again we are brought to their ideas, their beliefs in billions of gods…men baptized after they were dead who decided to become Mormon and become exalted…now baptized so they can become gods?
This is a very strange doctrine, and I have yet to read about pagan gods believing the same.
Growing up a cradle Catholic in a home with devotion to the Gospel, the saints, compassion for those who suffer, and being faithful to our own faith, there is no way our Catholic Church beliefs and practices are corrupt or an abomination to the Lord.
I do not believe the Lord sees our faith as corrupt or an abomination when we are not martyrs but ordinary people trying our best to be one with Him.
I don’t buy the new comments here that we are really the same…that is more spin…and not letting people know our loved ones and fellow believer are being baptized …as being loving…it makes me think of a past thread…‘lying for the Lord’.
People are not being given the full deck of what Mormons believe…and it is very difficult to communicate and make sense to a very different mindset.
No Mormonism and Catholicism are not similar. We are called to a life of holiness with the Lord, not this after life perpetual sex and procreation. St. Paul had a glimpse of heaven, and in no way did he mention sex. This reflects a spirituality of the flesh rather than of the Spirit.
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PaulDupre
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Actually that was a typo - it was 14 years not 24, but yes it was a long time.
When I called my parents and told them I had come back to the Catholic faith, my father said that they had been praying the rosary with the intention that God would show me the truth. I thought that maybe they had started praying the rosary for me around the time I felt God calling me to search for the truth after those 14 years of atheism, so I asked “When did you start praying the rosary for me?” My father said “When you were on your mission.” I said “Dad, that was 23 years ago!” He said “Yeah, we knew it might take some time.”
The power of faith and prayer…
Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
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KathleenGee
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Paul,
That is also a tremendous statement on your parents part and their fidelity to prayer.
That is also a tremendous statement on your parents part and their fidelity to prayer.
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KathleenGee
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I believe now it is a corrupt thing and an abomination to call our Catholic faith such things, as they malign Christ Himself.
All of us baptized in Him, receiving Him in the Eucharist, being absolved by Him in confession, married in Him, or consecrated to serve Him as His chosen minister…and dying in Him…this is what it means to take the name of Christ.
It is Christ Himself Who gave us His teachings and sacraments, Who taught the Apostles everything they needed to know, and their own fidelity to ensure the truth of Jesus Christ was to be securely passed down to every generation.
Likewise, we need to pray with the same fidelity as Paul’s parents for the Mormons will come to the Lord as we know Him.
All of us baptized in Him, receiving Him in the Eucharist, being absolved by Him in confession, married in Him, or consecrated to serve Him as His chosen minister…and dying in Him…this is what it means to take the name of Christ.
It is Christ Himself Who gave us His teachings and sacraments, Who taught the Apostles everything they needed to know, and their own fidelity to ensure the truth of Jesus Christ was to be securely passed down to every generation.
Likewise, we need to pray with the same fidelity as Paul’s parents for the Mormons will come to the Lord as we know Him.
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