Is Mormonism Christian ?

[jean8]

This is the test to know when a person was once a morman. We were exactly alike as mormans and we are exactly alike as former mormans.

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rebecca
Does that mean your still a Mormon or did you decide to become a Christian and leave the largest cult in the world. Mormonism.

God bless,
jean8

 

[RebeccaJ]

rebecca
Does that mean your still a Mormon or did you decide to become a Christian and leave the largest cult in the world. Mormonism.

God bless,
jean8

Raised Mormon, left and became an atheist. Wandered around. Checking out different religions and beliefs for a long time. Dabbled in the occult and new age stuff. Decided to check out Christianity, which, I knew nothing about. I am now Roman Catholic. (Truthsilence was my sponsor. )

 

[Zooey]

Could you tell me, referring to scripture, what defines a person as a Christian.

Paul

There is no generally Christian.

Those who are validly baptised are Christian. There are schismatic Christians, heretical Christians, and apostate Christians. Mormons are none of these things. Mormons do not have valid baptism. Mormons are not Christian.

:sad_yes:
This does not mean that all Mormons are terrible people. It does not mean that there will not be any Mormons in Heaven.
But, it does mean that Mormons are not Christian, because Christian=validly baptized.

 

[dianaiad]

Raised Mormon, left and became an atheist. Wandered around. Checking out different religions and beliefs for a long time. Dabbled in the occult and new age stuff. Decided to check out Christianity, which, I knew nothing about. I am now Roman Catholic. (Truthsilence was my sponsor. )

Yes, Rebecca, you knew a great deal about Christianity. You just didn’t pay attention.

It is very good that you have found comfort and truth in Catholicism.

But why do you feel so impelled to take potshots and slaps at the religion you were raised in? Is doing that in here, where your family can’t (or you hope they can’t) see you, a way to deal with the ambivalence you have about leaving?



Whatever. your motives are your own. You might want to understand, though, that more of us understand the motives behind such extreme views and language than you might be comfortable with. Y’see, we know from seeing the vast majority of converts from one faith to another that those who are truly and completely converted simply do not have time to spend criticizing and attacking the old one. They are too busy learning, and practicing, the new, ‘true’ one.

 

[1holycatholic]

Yes, Rebecca, you knew a great deal about Christianity. You just didn’t pay attention.

It is very good that you have found comfort and truth in Catholicism.

But why do you feel so impelled to take potshots and slaps at the religion you were raised in? Is doing that in here, where your family can’t (or you hope they can’t) see you, a way to deal with the ambivalence you have about leaving?



Whatever. your motives are your own. You might want to understand, though, that more of us understand the motives behind such extreme views and language than you might be comfortable with. Y’see, we know from seeing the vast majority of converts from one faith to another that those who are truly and completely converted simply do not have time to spend criticizing and attacking the old one. They are too busy learning, and practicing, the new, ‘true’ one.

Rubbish.

If I were a convert from Mormonism I would certainly disclose how I was misled by the LDS.

 

[dianaiad]

Rubbish.

If I were a convert from Mormonism I would certainly disclose how I was misled by the LDS.

I believe that.

However, converts TO Mormonism are not encouraged to disparage the religions they came FROM.

As well, just from a practical standpoint, you have to examine your motives for criticizing another belief system; if you want to bring someone to truth, then you show them truth–and don’t worry about whatever untruth you think THEY believe. You’ll probably get it wrong anyway.

If all you want to do is prove to them that they are ‘wrong’ and thus make yourself feel better, then fine, attack their beliefs. You’ll succeed, either way…but the second method doesn’t get converts.

You might want to ask yourself which Jesus would want.

 

[dianaiad]

No psychology at all. Simply observation; four decades of it.

 

[dianaiad]

That’s a strawman. I wasn’t talking about ‘revealing secrets.’ I am talking about people who simply attack…and as you say, ex-Catholics are exactly the same way. In fact, ex-just-about- anything members are the same way.

That is, they are unless the religion they convert TO is Mormonism. My point is that this ‘ex-’ phenomenon simply is not found there. Period. When someone converts TO Mormonism, they are encouraged to remember the truth they found in their old faith, because it was real truth…and to be grateful that they were taught that. They are strongly DISCOURAGED from dwelling on the wrongs that may have been done them, and encouraged to keep relationships strong–and to not make snarky comments about them.

Mormons simply will not (in general…there’s always the misguided exception) begin a conversation with someone from another faith by saying "(insert belief here ) are not Christians and this is why (followed by laundry list of things the Mormon thinks that guy really believes)

For one thing, it doesn’t work. One does not invite the spirit of Christ into the room by insulting someones deeply held beliefs.

For another, it doesn’t work.

And third, it doesn’t work

…and if there is one thing you have to acknowledge, it is that Mormons are pretty good at the missionary thing.

Just as a matter of information: there are more Mormons outside the USA than in.

Of those in the USA, there are more Mormons outside of Utah than in…in fact, there are as many (if not more) Mormons in CALIFORNIA than in Utah. There are more Mormons on the East Coast than there are in Utah.

So much for being a ‘regional American cult.’

…and your definition of “often” is a little strange. I hardly think that one person is ‘often.’

As to how similar the Catholic church and the Mormon church is?

Very similar in many ways. We are more similar to each other than either one of us is to most Protestant faiths in our approach to the scriptures, our daily lives and our beliefs regarding salvation.

There are major differences, of course–and I’m not going to pretend otherwise.

 

[dianaiad]

Excuse me, but that’s bunk.

I’ve posted considerably over 400 posts in this forum. Show me one time when I have done anything but defend my beliefs against the attacks of others.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Yes, Rebecca, you knew a great deal about Christianity. You just didn’t pay attention.

It is very good that you have found comfort and truth in Catholicism.

But why do you feel so impelled to take potshots and slaps at the religion you were raised in? Is doing that in here, where your family can’t (or you hope they can’t) see you, a way to deal with the ambivalence you have about leaving?



Whatever. your motives are your own. You might want to understand, though, that more of us understand the motives behind such extreme views and language than you might be comfortable with. Y’see, we know from seeing the vast majority of converts from one faith to another that those who are truly and completely converted simply do not have time to spend criticizing and attacking the old one. They are too busy learning, and practicing, the new, ‘true’ one.

oh yay, more mormons here to psychoanalyze me.

get over yourself

I understand quite well how you are trained to view apostates. You have a lesson coming up on it. Let me give you a primer:

[A]postates after turning from the faith of Christ, unless they have speedily repented, have sooner or later fallen into the snares of the wicked one, and have been left destitute of the Spirit of God, to manifest their wickedness in the eyes of multitudes. From apostates the faithful have received the severest persecutions. Judas was rebuked and immediately betrayed his Lord into the hands of His enemies, because Satan entered into him.

There is a superior intelligence bestowed upon such as obey the Gospel with full purpose of heart, which, if sinned against, the apostate is left naked and destitute of the Spirit of God, and he is, in truth, nigh unto cursing, and his end is to be burned. When once that light which was in them is taken from them they become as much darkened as they were previously enlightened, and then, no marvel, if all their power should be enlisted against the truth, and they, Judas-like, seek the destruction of those who were their greatest benefactors. . . .
. . .
When you joined this Church you enlisted to serve God. When you did that you left the neutral ground, and you never can get back on to it. Should you forsake the Master you enlisted to serve, it will be by the instigation of the evil one, and you will follow his dictation and be his servant.

How about you psychoanalyze that.

My pop psychology analogy of your post is that you are threatened by what I say, and like every mormon before you, starting with JS, you feel a need to vilify those who speak the truth about the lie you live.

 

[1holycatholic]

You might want to ask yourself which Jesus would want.

Jesus wants you to repent and be baptized.

Peter (said) to them, "Repent and be baptized, 7 every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the holy Spirit.

The words of the first Pope straight from a book proceeding from the Catholic Church.

You should become Catholic.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Lesson 27.

 

[dianaiad]

oh yay, more mormons here to psychoanalyze me.

get over yourself

I understand quite well how you are trained to view apostates. You have a lesson coming up on it. Let me give you a primer:

How about you psychoanalyze that.

My pop psychology analogy of your post is that you are threatened by what I say, and like every mormon before you, starting with JS, you feel a need to vilify those who speak the truth about the lie you live.

Uhm…Rebecca?

I’m not attacking the Catholic faith. You are attacking the Mormon faith, the Mormons, and me.

Therefore your comments are a bit incongruous.

 

[1holycatholic]

Uhm…Rebecca?

I’m not attacking the Catholic faith. You are attacking the Mormon faith, the Mormons, and me.

Therefore your comments are a bit incongruous.

Hogwash.

Catholicism is Christianity.

Mormonism is not Christianity.

You implied otherwise.

 

[dianaiad]

Hogwash.

Catholicism is Christianity.

Mormonism is not Christianity.

You implied otherwise.

No. I didn’t imply anything.

I straight out claimed that Catholicism is Christian and so is Mormonism. Indeed, every belief system that is based around the idea that Jesus is the Christ is Christian, no matter how disparate the beliefs about Him may be.

 

[mfbukowski]

The best way to win someone over is to demonstrate the love of Christ in our conversations, our thoughts and our walk.

If a good Mormon family and a good Catholic family lived side by side in a neighborhood, could we tell by observation which one is walking with God?

What if, the Catholic went over to the neighbors house and offered his services of friendship without regard to the neighbors beliefs, would that show something good?

What if, the situation was reversed?

The problem arises when one or the other imposes ones own conscience on the other as the true, right and correct way of worshiping God.

Now, if all that is said about JS is true, then let it be.

God knows their hearts and will direct them unto your path for observation and perhaps, based on your walk, they just might be persuaded to listen to you.

Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

You are that city whose light can not be hid, and where the world must see of what it is that brings light to their souls.

For us to criticize others religious beliefs, their leaders, does nothing to convince but rather further alienates the soul from the light.

Let us start at home, get our lives right with God before we take that walk into the world where we are going to be seen.

We need not carry a sign stating who or what we are religiously, because if we walk right, it will be seen as a reflection of something greater than what is in themselves and be drawn to it.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[dianaiad]

…and what does “Christian” actually MEAN?

It’s a label. A classification of belief. When it was first used, it was a pejorative–and a classification of belief.

It does not mean ‘saved.’
It does not mean ‘correct.’

It simply means “someone whose religious system is based around Jesus the Christ.”

That’s it.

Any other ‘add on’ is committing a ‘true Scott’ fallacy, and is the reason for wars, persecution and all sorts of other mayhem.

You know it and I know it.

You are Catholic.
I am Mormon.

We both base our religious ideas around a certain Jesus the Christ, and that makes us Christian, by definition.

One of us has more religious truth than the other–which one is which depends upon who you ask.

Now, if you ask 'which is RIGHT?" well, that’s an entirely different question.

The answer to THAT one, of course, is…well, “the one I belong to.”

 

[mfbukowski]

Raised Mormon, left and became an atheist. Wandered around. Checking out different religions and beliefs for a long time. Dabbled in the occult and new age stuff. Decided to check out Christianity, which, I knew nothing about. I am now Roman Catholic. (Truthsilence was my sponsor. )

Interesting, I didn’t know that. I think you still have a lot to learn from him/her. From that last post, I’d say we all could learn something.

Do you like my new genteler self? :angel1:

I hope I can keep it going!

 

[mfbukowski]

Nobody does that, nor is it possible.

Those people were already confused. They don’t need our help to be more confused. How many religions have you joined in your life? They all have joined at least two. Could that be a sign of confusion?

 

[mfbukowski]

No psychology at all. Simply observation; four decades of it.

You’re such a kid!