Is Muhammad foretold in the Bible?

[Servant19]

Seems a little fishy for someone (let’s call him Bob) with access to the prophesies of Daniel and Revelation to come along and claim 1260 years after the founding of another religion (Islam) that he, Bob, is the fulfillment of prophesies vaguely referred to in those books as times and half-times purely because Bob happens to be alive 1260 years after some event not even vaguely referred to by the original prophesies.

I think Bob’s fruits are worth exploring, THEN the 1260 might become more powerful…

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[MartinJordan]

Your choice.

Yep. That’s also intellectually honest. For God’s sake and for our children and our children’s children.

Praise God we know nothing can take us away from the love of Christ. He is the only way to the Father. Amen.

MJ

 

[TonyBS]

Yep. That’s also intellectually honest. For God’s sake and for our children and our children’s children.

Praise God we know nothing can take us away from the love of Christ. He is the only way to the Father. Amen.

MJ

Martin yes not a thing does take us away from the Love of Christ. Even acknowledging the Message of Muhammad and that He was indeed foretold in the Bible.

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[ericc]

1260 Days in Biblical Prophesy is 1260 Years, many Biblical Scholars have determined this.

Which Biblical scholars have determined this? Names and sources please. Do they speak for Christianity or for themselves only? Revelation is not an easy read and can have multiple depths of meanings. 1 day to God is like a thousand years said Peter. I’d like to know the 1 day 1 year claim. Who said it and how do I know it is true.

“And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth”.

“These two witnesses are Muḥammad the Messenger of God, and ‘Alí, son of Abú Tálib”

Says who and timing. Was that determined before or after the fact? Reason I am asking this is to determine who is authorized to claim this. Or just the opinion of someone. Why Ali and not some one else, such as Abu Bakr?This is a pro-Shiite view or a pro Sunni POV? Is there unity of agreement?

Or why not Elijah and Enoch? The Bible doesn’ t know of Mohammed or Ali.

Verses 9,10 and 11 tell you the fate of the Muslim religion because its rejection.

The religion of Muhammad has a Lunar Calendar the Christan a Solar Calendar. There is volumes of information as to expected Dates of the Return of Christ and many Faiths of Christ started from this expectation. A popular Date was 1844, but what was not and still is not commonly known is that 1260AH has a corresponding date in the Christian Calendar and that date was 1844.

No one has been told when Christ will return. Those who attempted have gone away in defeat.

1844 witnessed the Declaration of a New Faith of God, thus the Religion of Muhammad did indeed last exactly 1260 years and terminated at verse 14 with “The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly”.
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Verse 18 tells the result of the rejection of God again.
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If one reads the link it tells the story through the verses of Revelation 11.**

Who is claiming that the religion of Mohammed last exactly 1260 years? Are you claiming that 1844 is the end of the religion of Mohammed? The last time I checked, it is still around. And which one is the new declaration of faith? There are many many new declarations of faith, from time to time a new one would pop up.

If you less out 1260 years from 1844, you would end up a calculated date of 584. 584 is not the year of Mohammed’s birth or the start of his religion which is around 610. You claim 100% accuracy. So prove how is the 1260 years related to the religion of Mohammed.

 

[TonyBS]

Which Biblical scholars have determined this? Names and sources please. Do they speak for Christianity or for themselves only? Revelation is not an easy read and can have multiple depths of meanings. 1 day to God is like a thousand years said Peter. I’d like to know the 1 day 1 year claim. Who said it and how do I know it is true.

Lots of questions ericc - I will answer what I can, I am busy over the next few days so will answer One at a time

A net search will find Christian scholars who agree that in the study of Biblical prophecy, the period of time called a “day” becomes a year when calculating the actual passing of time. This is further supported by the following verses:

“Even forty days, each day for a year”. (Numbers 14:34)

“I have appointed thee each day for a year”. (Ezekiel 4:6)

This formula is generally agreed by scholars of Christianity.

Henry James Foreman, in his book The Story of Prophecy, stated that in symbolic prophecy, a day is the symbol of a year.

F. Hudgings, in his book Zionism in Prophecy, states that a solar year, of course, contains a fraction over 365 days, but in computing symbolic time, as it is set forth in the scriptures, students of prophecy find that the writer simply divides the year into twelve months of thirty days each. In other words, the time of a year in scriptural symbology refers to 360 solar years, each day representing a year.

This reasoning of the scholars is not without foundation. This measuring rod was directly derived from the following Old Testament reference:

“The waters of the flood came on the 17th day of second month.” (Gen. 7:2)

“The waters abated and ceased on the 17th day of the 7th month.” (Gen. 8:8)

“The waters prevailed upon the earth 150 days.” (Gen. 7:24)

Now it is quite clear that 150 days will total up to five months only if each month has 30 days. So it now follows that whenever a day is taken to be one year it would contain 360 days. Now the prophecy in Rev. 11:2 and 3 i.e. 42 months and 1,260 days makes sense. 42 times 30 equals 1,260 days. Considering Biblical prophecy this means 1,260 years.

Regards Tony

 

[TonyBS]

No one has been told when Christ will return. Those who attempted have gone away in defeat.

Yes many passages support No One Knows the Time.

Thus when it did happen, even though many had worked the date out, they still missed the event. What was not and is still not considered is are we looking at the right way!

Personally I think the Bible warns us the vast majority of us we will not have been ready. This proved to be so, again only a handful had the capacity at the start of a new revelation and it takes time for the rest of us to see the Sun through the Clouds.

Regards Tony

 

[TonyBS]

If you less out 1260 years from 1844, you would end up a calculated date of 584. 584 is not the year of Mohammed’s birth or the start of his religion which is around 610. You claim 100% accuracy. So prove how is the 1260 years related to the religion of Mohammed.

The Muslim Calendar is a Lunar Calendar and the Christian Calendar is a Solar Calendar

Thus the 1260 AH is also the year 1844 AD.

Interestingly 1260 x 354 days of a Lunar Year = 446,040, Divide this by 365 days of a Solar Year we get 1222 Years.

The Faith of Muhammad started in 622 AD - Now Add the 1222 Years and we again get 1844.

Regards Tony

 

[MartinJordan]

Martin yes not a thing does take us away from the Love of Christ. Even acknowledging the Message of Muhammad and that He was indeed foretold in the Bible.

God Bless and Regards Tony

Hardly something to wink at. For good orders sake pray at all times for you don’t know the hour the Son of Man will come. Amen.

MJ

 

[TonyBS]

Hardly something to wink at. For good orders sake pray at all times for you don’t know the hour the Son of Man will come. Amen.

MJ

Martin, Yes exactly what the Bible Instructed us to do.

This is also why mankind missed Muhammad in the Bible

Revelation 3:3
Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

Revelation 16:15
“Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.”

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[friardchips]

Hi TonyBS, you haven’t answered my question. I did wish to know how it is you qualify later speculative theories as being true when they are simply based on writings centuries earlier:

• Please understand that anyone can take a number or date from the Bible and attach it to something in history.
• Similarly, anyone can write something later to correlate with something written earlier and say it is true.
• Also, it is not difficult to take something written later and attach it something earlier, with the reasoning that it conforms to a much later date in history. Because, all of history is made up of dates. I could take lots of times and dates in history and say this was the end of something and this was a new beginning to something because since the OT I have a thousand to four thousand years to pick a number in history and apply it to events in the Bible and later writings.

Please understand that the reason the OT and the NT are unique in their relationship with one another is because the NT happened later but ended up supernaturally explaining and adding substance and root to everything that happened in the OT. This LIVED creativity could not have been authored by human hands. The Author had to have been omnipotent.

This cannot be said for religions that came after because any writings after the OT and the NT is outside of the unique relationship between the two.

Dates after events can always be used for speculative theories.

Now either you didn’t answer because you didn’t have an answer yet want to continue arguing an unprovable point without having to face the uncomfortable truth that these notions are inaccurate, or wrong, or you don’t understand my reasoning.

I am happy to try explaining again until you do, if you wish (?)

 

[friardchips]

I think Bob’s fruits are worth exploring, THEN the 1260 might become more powerful…

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But, even if explored, it doesn’t figure p).

Hence, why ‘false prophets’ were mentioned in the NT - taking Bible details and bringing false teaching based on them.

Not saying that the poster is a false teacher, probably just inspired by something and wants to share it, but this freewill to be inspired by something doesn’t make exploration of said-point valid after being disproven.

The proof of falsity has been explained. Partly recognisable because the theory is founded on probability (not the correct term but you hopefully get what I mean). A bit like playing with dice and gambling.

 

[Peter_Plato]

The Muslim Calendar is a Lunar Calendar and the Christian Calendar is a Solar Calendar

Thus the 1260 AH is also the year 1844 AD.

Interestingly 1260 x 354 days of a Lunar Year = 446,040, Divide this by 365 days of a Solar Year we get 1222 Years.

The Faith of Muhammad started in 622 AD - Now Add the 1222 Years and we again get 1844.

Regards Tony

You are missing the leap years. :hey_bud:

That would add approximately a quarter day each year, so each year would be 365.25 days

That would be 446,040 divided by 365.25, which equals 1221.191. Start at 622 and add 1221.191 and you get 1843.191 or about the end of the first week of March 1843.

The significance of that would be?

 

[friardchips]

The Muslim Calendar is a Lunar Calendar and the Christian Calendar is a Solar Calendar

Thus the 1260 AH is also the year 1844 AD.

Interestingly 1260 x 354 days of a Lunar Year = 446,040, Divide this by 365 days of a Solar Year we get 1222 Years.

The Faith of Muhammad started in 622 AD - Now Add the 1222 Years and we again get 1844.

Regards Tony

TonyBS, your aptitude for applying data etc… is commendable and your keen interest for truth is admirable but didn’t 1844 end as a great disappointment - your words. I suppose my issue with this, apart from what I’ve said already, is not that the Muslim religion may or may not have come to an end with such and such a date. Which it hasn’t, btw. Islam is very much alive and - in some areas - kicking, but that the date that correlates with the OT date (apparently), ends with a nothing statement.

I can’t help feeling that someone with an inquisitive mind and an ability to match up and identify numeric data would be better spent working on some fruitful subject within the OT. There are many theologians about the place who are trying to place the times of Scriptural writings to points in history. Also, there are Babylonians stories and myths that are interesting too, and are fun to read about, from OT times. So much rich history there. I’m sure there would be more fruit for you at the end of such a quest as this and along the way might bring great insight into holy texts rather than spending all this time on theories from people in the 1800s in the context of a configured religion that happened way too late after Christianity to hold any significance. I can tell you that if Muh… was an important prophet mentioned in the OT then he would have been mentioned by name. He wasn’t. So why not turn your skills to more fruitful exegesis!

 

[TonyBS]

You are missing the leap years. :hey_bud:

That would add approximately a quarter day each year, so each year would be 365.25 days

That would be 446,040 divided by 365.25, which equals 1221.191. Start at 622 and add 1221.191 and you get 1843.191 or about the end of the first week of March 1843.

The significance of that would be?

You may notice in Biblical Prophesy there is a rounding of “Times”.

The point is that the Question was answered and Yes Muhammad is Foretold in the Bible as are the Bab and Baha’u’llah.

Comments above make me conclude that now enough has been given and if others wish to see if it is so, or not, it is their choice.

God bless you all and Regards Tony

 

[TonyBS]

TonyBS, your aptitude for applying data etc… is commendable and your keen interest for truth is admirable but didn’t 1844 end as a great disappointment - your words. I suppose my issue with this, apart from what I’ve said already, is not that the Muslim religion may or may not have come to an end with such and such a date. Which it hasn’t, btw. Islam is very much alive and - in some areas - kicking, but that the date that correlates with the OT date (apparently), ends with a nothing statement.

I can’t help feeling that someone with an inquisitive mind and an ability to match up and identify numeric data would be better spent working on some fruitful subject within the OT. There are many theologians about the place who are trying to place the times of Scriptural writings to points in history. Also, there are Babylonians stories and myths that are interesting too, and are fun to read about, from OT times. So much rich history there. I’m sure there would be more fruit for you at the end of such a quest as this and along the way might bring great insight into holy texts rather than spending all this time on theories from people in the 1800s in the context of a configured religion that happened way too late after Christianity to hold any significance. I can tell you that if Muh… was an important prophet mentioned in the OT then he would have been mentioned by name. He wasn’t. So why not turn your skills to more fruitful exegesis!

Just remember the Faith of the Jews is also still strong, does that at all Take away from the Glory of Christ?

From the Old Testament I leave this post with this passage

Isaiah 35 ►New International Version

Joy of the Redeemed

1The desert and the parched land will be glad;

the wilderness will rejoice and blossom.

Like the crocus, 2it will burst into bloom;

it will rejoice greatly and shout for joy.

The glory of Lebanon will be given to it,

the splendor of Carmel and Sharon;

they will see the glory of the Lord,

the splendor of our God.

3Strengthen the feeble hands,

steady the knees that give way;

4say to those with fearful hearts,

“Be strong, do not fear;

your God will come,

he will come with vengeance;

with divine retribution

he will come to save you.”

5Then will the eyes of the blind be opened

and the ears of the deaf unstopped.

6Then will the lame leap like a deer,

and the mute tongue shout for joy.

Water will gush forth in the wilderness

and streams in the desert.

7The burning sand will become a pool,

the thirsty ground bubbling springs.

In the haunts where jackals once lay,

grass and reeds and papyrus will grow.

8And a highway will be there;

it will be called the Way of Holiness;

it will be for those who walk on that Way.

The unclean will not journey on it;

wicked fools will not go about on it.

9No lion will be there,

nor any ravenous beast;

they will not be found there.

But only the redeemed will walk there,

10and those the Lord has rescued will return.

They will enter Zion with singing;

everlasting joy will crown their heads.

Gladness and joy will overtake them,

and sorrow and sighing will flee away.

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[Peter_Plato]

You may notice in Biblical Prophesy there is a rounding of “Times”.

Really?

So why wouldn’t “The Prophesy of Times Times and **Half a Time or 3 @ 1/2 **years or 42 months…” be rounded according to your rule that “…in Biblical prophesy there is a rounding of ‘Times’?”

Yes - Yes - Yes

The Old Testament and the New Testament cover the Revelation of Muhammad 100% accurately.

The Prophesy of Times Times and Half a Time or 3 @ 1/2 years or 42 months or one thousand two hundred and 3 score days or 1260 days all refer to the Dispensation of Muhammad. There are many more passages that show the Revelation of Muhammad would be given to mankind before the promised End Times

This is an amazing fact that is only just becoming realized! If you want to know further please ask and I will post in this thread.

Regards Tony

By your rules of Biblical Prophesy, then, the “Times Times and Half a Time or 3 @ 1/2 years” should be either rounded down to 3 years or rounded up to 4 years – that would mean 36 months or 48 months not the 42 months that you claim is not permitted by strict enforcement of the rounding rule of Biblical Prophecy.

You need to either add or subtract the 1/2 year of days to the 1260 days you arrived at by permitting yourself not to use the rounding rule of Biblical Prophecy. :ehh:

Or, do you now want to insist that only quarter days are rounded and not half years?

That just seems arbitrary from where I stand AND very convenient for you.

But since when was prophecy merely a matter of convenience?

This is to say nothing of the fact that rounding with such flagrant and arbitrary abandon would seem to undermine your contention that the “Old Testament and the New Testament cover the Revelation of Muhammad 100% accurately.” That could mean 50% accurately rounded to 100% by your own reckoning.

 

[friardchips]

Just remember the Faith of the Jews is also still strong, does that at all Take away from the Glory of Christ?

From the Old Testament I leave this post with this passage

Isaiah 35 ►New International Version

Joy of the Redeemed

1The desert and the parched land will be glad;

the wilderness will rejoice and blossom.

Like the crocus, 2it will burst into bloom;

it will rejoice greatly and shout for joy.

The glory of Lebanon will be given to it,

the splendor of Carmel and Sharon;

they will see the glory of the Lord,

the splendor of our God.

3Strengthen the feeble hands,

steady the knees that give way;

4say to those with fearful hearts,

“Be strong, do not fear;

your God will come,

he will come with vengeance;

with divine retribution

he will come to save you.”

5Then will the eyes of the blind be opened

and the ears of the deaf unstopped.

6Then will the lame leap like a deer,

and the mute tongue shout for joy.

Water will gush forth in the wilderness

and streams in the desert.

7The burning sand will become a pool,

the thirsty ground bubbling springs.

In the haunts where jackals once lay,

grass and reeds and papyrus will grow.

8And a highway will be there;

it will be called the Way of Holiness;

it will be for those who walk on that Way.

The unclean will not journey on it;

wicked fools will not go about on it.

9No lion will be there,

nor any ravenous beast;

they will not be found there.

But only the redeemed will walk there,

10and those the Lord has rescued will return.

They will enter Zion with singing;

everlasting joy will crown their heads.

Gladness and joy will overtake them,

and sorrow and sighing will flee away.

God Bless and Regards Tony

Hi again. Thanks for the Bible text.

“I shall zay zis only vunce”:

The Creator does not repay evil, with evil.

The devil tempts humanity to evil and those who listen to him join in the fiery revelry.

If you want to believe such unfounded theories then it seems I can’t talk you out of it as this requires listening which you don’t seem to be doing. But please remember that the Creator does not commit evil actions.

The devil commits evil. Not the Creator.

The Creator is good and holy and works on our humility. He doesn’t steal or tempt, He gives and invites us, to LOVE.

Take care.

 

[TonyBS]

Really?

So why wouldn’t “The Prophesy of Times Times and **Half a Time or 3 @ 1/2 **years or 42 months…” be rounded according to your rule that “…in Biblical prophesy there is a rounding of ‘Times’?”

By your rules of Biblical Prophesy, then, the “Times Times and Half a Time or 3 @ 1/2 years” should be either rounded down to 3 years or rounded up to 4 years – that would mean 36 months or 48 months not the 42 months that you claim is not permitted by strict enforcement of the rounding rule of Biblical Prophecy.

You need to either add or subtract the 1/2 year of days to the 1260 days you arrived at by permitting yourself not to use the rounding rule of Biblical Prophecy. :ehh:

Or, do you now want to insist that only quarter days are rounded and not half years?

That just seems arbitrary from where I stand AND very convenient for you.

But since when was prophecy merely a matter of convenience?

This is to say nothing of the fact that rounding with such flagrant and arbitrary abandon would seem to undermine your contention that the “Old Testament and the New Testament cover the Revelation of Muhammad 100% accurately.” That could mean 50% accurately rounded to 100% by your own reckoning.

You need to study if it interests you.

God bless and Regards Tony

 

[TonyBS]

Hi again. Thanks for the Bible text.

“I shall zay zis only vunce”:

The Creator does not repay evil, with evil.

The devil tempts humanity to evil and those who listen to him join in the fiery revelry.

If you want to believe such unfounded theories then it seems I can’t talk you out of it as this requires listening which you don’t seem to be doing. But please remember that the Creator does not commit evil actions.

The devil commits evil. Not the Creator.

Take care.

One has to determine why God and Evil Exists and how it is connected to Gods Bounty of Free Will for themselves.

As Muhammad is also mentioned in the Bible, one has to consider why it is so and in doing so reconsider the source of and what is Evil.

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[The_Wizard]

It id too long to post here but here is a link to an article from Answering Muslims answeringmuslims.com/2015/12/does-bible-predict-coming-of-muhammad.html that I think put the question to rest.