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BlestOne
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Ishmael’s child…I did a search of the entire bible for the name Muhommad and guess what? Nothing…Nada…not one iota of truth in what you said:
ISHMAELSCHILD:
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Muslim
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no, you specifically said you would talk about hitler and osama bin laden. i am still waiting.
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inJESUS
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this was my original post :
thx for the long posts…shall i quote opposite ones? what if i quote nice passages of people who love Osama Ben Laden or Hitler?
and i did prove my point…don’t stick to words, try to understand the message of what you are being told.
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Muslim
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you said “what if i quote nice passages of people who love Osama Ben (sic) Laden or Hitler?”
what part of that do you not understand?
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inJESUS
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Ishmael's child:
answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/muhammad.html
oh my…and you believe everything you are being told without checking?? i will answer these later but here is a start for you:
answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/muhammad.html
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Booklover
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Ishmael's child:
It mentions FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN, so he would be a Jew! Why would the Jews choose someone from among their enemies? When did the Jews ever do that?
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inJESUS
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calm down
you quoted nice opinion about mohammad…so i said : what is the big deal? i can quote you the opposite and I DID, to tell you that your post is irrelevent since it is opinions and i gave you opposite ones…then i asked a rhretorical questionn: what if i quote to you some people who love Hitler or Ben Laden? will this make them good? all this to tell you that your post is meaningless…and am sure you know that i can find people who love Hitler and Osama, but thats not the point…my pointwas to show that your post is meaningless since i gave its oposite…will you learn now to understand the message and not stick literally to words?
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inJESUS
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1 and 2 were adressed in my first link.Ishmael’s child said:
In Isaiah 29:12 we find the verse
and there are Muslims who claim that this is a prediction of Muhammad, and his first experience in the cave on Mt. Hira where Gabriel supposedly pressured him to read, but he could not.Code:Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, "Read this, please," he will answer, "I don't know how to read."
However, looking into the context of this verse will make clear that this is a complete misinterpretation. There is no prediction of a future prophet in this passage. In the contrary.
Isaiah 29 is a chapter of announcing punishment on Israel.
3 I will encamp against you all around;
I will encircle you with towers
and set up my siege works against you.
4 Brought low, you will speak from the ground;
your speech will mumble out of the dust.
Your voice will come ghostlike from the earth;
out of the dust your speech will whisper.
and as part of the punishment we read that God will also take away the ability to read (understand) the holy word because they have disobeyed it for so long. In particular, verse 10 states clearly that the prophets and seers themselves will be put to sleep and no longer receive revelation from the LORD.
9 Be stunned and amazed, blind yourselves and be sightless;
be drunk, but not from wine, stagger, but not from beer.
10 The LORD has brought over you a deep sleep:
He has sealed your eyes, the prophets;
he has covered your heads, the seers.
11 For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll.
And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say to him,
“Read this, please,” he will answer, “I can’t; it is sealed.”
12 Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say,
“Read this, please,” he will answer, “I don’t know how to read.”
13 The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth
and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men.
Would Muslims really want to say that this refers to Muhammad? The heart far from God, with worship that is not according to God’s will but according to what men have invented (v.13) and that his inability to read is part of God’s punishment? It is a sign of God putting a deep sleep on the people regarding spiritual matters, so that regardless how knowledgeable they are, they would nevertheless be unable to read (comprehend) what the word of God means.
Be careful what passages you claim for him! Maybe this does indeed describe Muhammad?
either Jews or Christians applied Song of Solomon 5:16 prophetically…it has nothing to do with a prophet…it has to do with love
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George_Waters
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And you do not believe the exact same could be said of many Muslims?
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Cyber_Knight
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I like when Muslim say**…" do not have mental capacity to read all those with open mind "** Exactly like us to them when explaining the Trinity 
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freedomm
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To all Dear Christians:
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Fr. Antony was a Catholic priest in Sri Lanka. His tale of becoming a true believer (Muslims) and adopting a name Adulrahman for him is quite interesting.
Being a Christian priest he was well versed with the teachings of the Bible. He quotes the Bible frequently as he sits to narrate his journey to Islam. While reading the Bible he found many contradictions in it. He goes on quoting verses from the Bible in Sinhalese language and points out the ambiguity.
“He quotes Isaiah 29:12 which reads like this.” And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith; I am not learned.”
[Douay-Rheims Bible, Isaias (Isaiah) Chapter 29]](Douay-Rheims Bible, Isaias (Isaiah) Chapter 29])
This verse is a prophecy towards prophet Mohammed (pbuh), because Mohammad (pubh) was an unlettered prophet and when he was an unlettered prophet and when he was asked by Angel Gabrielto read out the first divine revelation upon him he said, “I am not learned”
Contrary to the Christian belief that Jesus is God, Acts 2:22 of the Holy Bible considers Jesus as a man. It says, **“Ye men of Israel, hear these words, jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourself also know.” ** …
Details: thetruereligion.org/modules/xfsection/article.php?articleid=249
Being a Christian priest he was well versed with the teachings of the Bible. He quotes the Bible frequently as he sits to narrate his journey to Islam. While reading the Bible he found many contradictions in it. He goes on quoting verses from the Bible in Sinhalese language and points out the ambiguity.
“He quotes Isaiah 29:12 which reads like this.” And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith; I am not learned.”
[Douay-Rheims Bible, Isaias (Isaiah) Chapter 29]](Douay-Rheims Bible, Isaias (Isaiah) Chapter 29])
This verse is a prophecy towards prophet Mohammed (pbuh), because Mohammad (pubh) was an unlettered prophet and when he was an unlettered prophet and when he was asked by Angel Gabrielto read out the first divine revelation upon him he said, “I am not learned”
Contrary to the Christian belief that Jesus is God, Acts 2:22 of the Holy Bible considers Jesus as a man. It says, **“Ye men of Israel, hear these words, jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourself also know.” ** …
Details: thetruereligion.org/modules/xfsection/article.php?articleid=249
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freedomm
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Dear inJESUS,
Well, your missionary internet-site is already debunked by the following sites:
’Doctorer’ Ali Sina Exposed
faithfreedom.com/ali_sina_exposed.html
Islamic Awareness
islamic-awareness.org/
Bismikaallahuma.org
bismikaallahuma.org/
The True Religion
thetruereligion.org/missionary.htm
Investigating Islam
islamic.org.uk/
Muslim Answers
muslim-answers.org/
Sharif.org
sharif.org.uk/
Guided Ones
guidedones.com/
Understanding Islam
understanding-islam.org/
Examine the Truth
ExamineTheTruth.com
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onesimplemind
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Dear all muslims
Father Antony now believes in this stuff.
Tabari II:106 “Allah sent gnats against the Babylonians, and they ate their flesh and drank their blood, and nothing but their bones were left. But Allah gave Nimrod a single gnat which entered his nostril and went on beating the inside of his head with hammers for four hundred years. The most merciful of his friends was he who bunched up his hands and beat Nimrod’s head with them.”
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freedomm
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Lawmaker renounces Orthodoxy, ordination**
ARCHPRIEST VIACHESLAV POLOSIN CONVERTS TO ISLAM **
Nezavisimaia gazeta–religii, 2 June 1999
ARCHPRIEST VIACHESLAV POLOSIN CONVERTS TO ISLAM **
Nezavisimaia gazeta–religii, 2 June 1999
Archpriest Viacheslav Polosin, a priest of the Kaluga diocese leave of absence who now heads the administration of the Committee on Relations with Public Associations and Religious Organizations of the State Duma of the Russian federation, has converted to Islam. “I decided to bring my social status into line with my convictions,” Viacheslav Polosin declared, “and to testify publicly that I consider myself an adherent of the great tradition of the true faith of the prophets of monotheism, beginning with Abraham. And thus I do not consider myself a priest nor a member of any Orthodox church.”
Details: stetson.edu/~psteeves/relnews/9906a.html#03
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Polosin’s conversion to Islam
**FATHER VIACHESLAV: FROM CHURCH TO MOSQUE **
by Alexander Soldatov
Moskovskie novosti, 8-14 June 1999
Viacheslav Polosin, a former priest of the Russian Orthodox church and chairman of the Committee of the Supreme Soviet on Freedom of Conscience, recently announced his conversion from Orthodoxy to Islam. This unprecedented event of the adoption of the religion of the Prophet by a prominent Orthodox clergyman was a surprise for many. The former archpriest is suspected of psychological illness or of subtle political calculation. But he himself speaks of his own free, spiritual, philosophical choice.
Read the whole interview at:
stetson.edu/~psteeves/relnews/9906b.html#10
Details: stetson.edu/~psteeves/relnews/9906a.html#03
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Polosin’s conversion to Islam
**FATHER VIACHESLAV: FROM CHURCH TO MOSQUE **
by Alexander Soldatov
Moskovskie novosti, 8-14 June 1999
Viacheslav Polosin, a former priest of the Russian Orthodox church and chairman of the Committee of the Supreme Soviet on Freedom of Conscience, recently announced his conversion from Orthodoxy to Islam. This unprecedented event of the adoption of the religion of the Prophet by a prominent Orthodox clergyman was a surprise for many. The former archpriest is suspected of psychological illness or of subtle political calculation. But he himself speaks of his own free, spiritual, philosophical choice.
Read the whole interview at:
stetson.edu/~psteeves/relnews/9906b.html#10
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freedomm
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Dear onesimplemind:
Which Quranic verse or Authentic Hadith is that?
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onesimplemind
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Wanna go direct and see what that Archpriest Viacheslav Plosin believes?
Qur’an 91:11 “Thamud rejected (their prophet) through inordinate wrong-doing. Behold, the most-wicked wretch among them broke forth but the Messenger said: ‘Be cautious. It is a She-camel of Allah! And bar her not from having her drink!’ But they rejected him as a false prophet and hamstrung her. So Allah on account of their crime, obliterated their traces, doomed them, desolated their dwellings, leveling them to the ground for their sin.”
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freedomm
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Dear onesimplemind:
I think Father Antony (after his reversion to Islam known as Adulrahman) rejected his Catholicsm due to this:
Second Book Of Kings
Chapter 22 Verses 9 - 11
The Douay Rheims Bible
9 A smoke went up from his [God’s] nostrils, and a devouring fire out of his mouth: coals were kindled by it.
10 He bowed the heavens, and came down: and darkness was under his feet.
11 And he rode upon the cherubims, and flew: and slid upon the wings of the wind.
drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=10&ch=22&l=9&f=s#x ]
And the ** cherubims** means ?
And what happened later when:
52 And the graves were opened: and many bodies of the saints that had slept arose,
53 **And coming out of the tombs after his resurrection, came into the holy city, and appeared to many. ** —Matthew 27:52-53–DR Bible
drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=27&l=52&f=s#x ]
10 He bowed the heavens, and came down: and darkness was under his feet.
11 And he rode upon the cherubims, and flew: and slid upon the wings of the wind.
drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=10&ch=22&l=9&f=s#x ]
And the ** cherubims** means ?
And what happened later when:
52 And the graves were opened: and many bodies of the saints that had slept arose,
53 **And coming out of the tombs after his resurrection, came into the holy city, and appeared to many. ** —Matthew 27:52-53–DR Bible
drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=27&l=52&f=s#x ]
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inJESUS
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Indeed, this passage IS about mohammad, read why coz it seems you did not read my post :
and there are Muslims who claim that this is a prediction of Muhammad, and his first experience in the cave on Mt. Hira where Gabriel supposedly pressured him to read, but he could not.
However, looking into the context of this verse will make clear that this is a complete misinterpretation. There is no prediction of a future prophet in this passage. In the contrary.
Isaiah 29 is a chapter of announcing punishment on Israel.
3 I will encamp against you all around;
I will encircle you with towers
and set up my siege works against you.
4 Brought low, you will speak from the ground;
your speech will mumble out of the dust.
Your voice will come ghostlike from the earth;
out of the dust your speech will whisper.
and as part of the punishment we read that God will also take away the ability to read (understand) the holy word because they have disobeyed it for so long. In particular, verse 10 states clearly that the prophets and seers themselves will be put to sleep and no longer receive revelation from the LORD.
9 Be stunned and amazed, blind yourselves and be sightless;
be drunk, but not from wine, stagger, but not from beer.
10 The LORD has brought over you a deep sleep:
He has sealed your eyes, the prophets;
he has covered your heads, the seers.
11 For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll.
And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say to him,
“Read this, please,” he will answer, “I can’t; it is sealed.”
12 Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say,
“Read this, please,” he will answer, “I don’t know how to read.”
13 The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth
and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men.
Would Muslims really want to say that this refers to Muhammad? The heart far from God, with worship that is not according to God’s will but according to what men have invented (v.13) and that his inability to read is part of God’s punishment? It is a sign of God putting a deep sleep on the people regarding spiritual matters, so that regardless how knowledgeable they are, they would nevertheless be unable to read (comprehend) what the word of God means.
**Maybe this does indeed describe Muhammad? ** oh yes.
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inJESUS
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and who cares what this enlightened father did? freedom loves to quote such stuff as if we don’t find on internet stories of devout pious muslims who converted…just hopeless…
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freedomm
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Dear onesimplemind:
It is not just about Father Anthony but throughout history, there have been a number of Christian priests and scholars who have come to recognize the truth of the prophesy of Jesus (pbuh) and that it originally referred to prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
Anselm Turmeda (1352 -1423), a poet, writer and Christian scholar was one such person. After recognizing the last prophet of God and embracing Islam he wrote a famous book titled "Tuhfat al-arib fi al-radd 'ala Ahl al-Salib." In the introduction to this work he relates his history:
It is not just about Father Anthony but throughout history, there have been a number of Christian priests and scholars who have come to recognize the truth of the prophesy of Jesus (pbuh) and that it originally referred to prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
Anselm Turmeda (1352 -1423), a poet, writer and Christian scholar was one such person. After recognizing the last prophet of God and embracing Islam he wrote a famous book titled "Tuhfat al-arib fi al-radd 'ala Ahl al-Salib." In the introduction to this work he relates his history:
"Let it be known to all of you that my origin is from the city of Majorca*, which is a great city on the sea, between two mountains and divided by a small valley. It is a commercial city, with two wonderful harbours. Big merchant ships come and anchor in the harbour with different goods. The city is on the island which has the same name - Majorca, and most of its land is populated with fig and olive trees. My father was a well respected man in the city. I was his only son. When I was six, he sent me to a priest who taught me to read the Gospel and logic, which I finished in six years. …
Details:thetruereligion.org/modules/xfsection/article.php?articleid=243
Details:thetruereligion.org/modules/xfsection/article.php?articleid=243
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