Is Muhammed in Purgatory and should we be praying for him?

[Sailka]

it is soooo tempting to diss you on your lack of knowledge. the Koran was dictated to Mohamed by the Angel Gabriel. and about your previous post, [SIGN]it was the Vatican that attacked the muslims first for land, money, and power. [/SIGN] and the Vatican should have know better than to create wars, cause wars lead to nothing good. Go learn some history. you have no authority to judge who will go to hell. mormon people are decent people. the unity within the family is something we should all learn, the way they worship God and the little details is irrelevant. It boils down to whether you are trying to do good or whether you let evil reign your life. Everyone is born good and evil is the lack of good. if you were to study the life of the Prophet Mohammed he did nothing but teach the word of God, spread the idea that Jesus was born out of the Virgin Mary. Did you know she is the only woman ever mentioned in the Koran, there is a whole Chapter of Her. How do you know that throughout the 2000 years the Bible and the church hasnt been corrupted, changed or altered? im starting to wonder why we go to church on sunday when the sabath day is clearly Saturday. Ive lived in muslim countries for half of my life, and there is nothing bad about being a muslim. if a muslim clearly understand the Koran, rather than a license from God to kill the infidels, a muslim is a great person, i dare say they acknolwedge Jesus more than you becuase they believe in what He said and did. because that is what counts. Allah loves good people. the Passion of Christ directed by mel gibson was done to overwhelm us with historical accuracy, one was by using arameo. in one point while Jesus is talking He says Allah.

youtube.com/watch?v=BTSG0YzlGB8

Great post aqain, BUT Sure the Pope himself, the Vatican itself initiated grabbing Muslim land for power and wealth? Never heard that one! Have Documentation on That? Always, its been Secular Leaders, Using religion, to start All ‘Religious Wars’ for own political power, etc.

Know that None of the Crusades were Vatican Led? Yes, The Pope called for the recapture of the Holy Land initially. But Never led, controlled Any Crusades. Only Secular leaders Led, Using the Religion justification, which Resulted in all the Abuses And atrocities. The Sacking of Constantinople was Called for by The Sponsors of That Crusade, the Big Venetian Bankers, who had Big IOS by the Byzantine empire.

 

[Sailka]

The Koran or the Book of Mormon, what’s the difference, they are both man made and born from hell.

TOS warning. We don’t tolerate False hate filled false opinions.

 

[Sailka]

Muhammed was an evil man who distored Jesus’ truth and killed those who were not persuaded by his doctrine. If he made purgatory, there would be no need for hell.

Totally False! TOS warning. we have no room for lies, false hatreds.

 

[bov]

Totally False! TOS warning. we have no room for lies, false hatreds.

How is the truth defined as hate? I am doing as Jesus taught by looking at the “fruits” of Mohummad’s life. I do as Jesus did and pray for all and reject what is not truth. You should not be judging me for hate, as it is not of God to do so. I pray for all and hate no one.

 

[oneloveichiai]

Great post aqain, BUT Sure the Pope himself, the Vatican itself initiated grabbing Muslim land for power and wealth? Never heard that one! Have Documentation on That? Always, its been Secular Leaders, Using religion, to start All ‘Religious Wars’ for own political power, etc.

Know that None of the Crusades were Vatican Led? Yes, The Pope called for the recapture of the Holy Land initially. But Never led, controlled Any Crusades. Only Secular leaders Led, Using the Religion justification, which Resulted in all the Abuses And atrocities. The Sacking of Constantinople was Called for by The Sponsors of That Crusade, the Big Venetian Bankers, who had Big IOS by the Byzantine empire.

the first Crusade was launched in 1095 after Pope Urban II gave a speach claiming “Christians as the noble race of the Franks”? whatever that means and as if it were a good reason to start any war. note that knights used in the Crusades were also bankers and that is how the knights of templar came to be. i might have been wrong with some historical claims, but what i meant as the vatican i meant as the Pope. it is also worth to note that back then not everybody was educated. People were born into a religion and beeing comanded by the authority of that religion was sufficient enough for one to join in armed forces against another. Just becasue we believe in Jesus Christ does it mean we should kill muslims, or kill Jews (who infact lead to the death of our King Jesus?) or even accept that the Hollocaust could be seen as cleaning the earth from Jews. NO. We have to coexist with Jews and Muslims, cuz we all believe in one God. What if Pope Benedict the 16th were to say all Catholics should go and slay a Muslim, Jew, or an atheist? I know i wouldnt follow that order. the Church in essence is divine, but it consitutes of men, and men are evil. so the Church can and has been evil. is it still evil, maybe, maybe not…that should be our problem, not the Islamic faith.
and wut does IOS mean?
TOS warning. im sorry but you should learn to tolerate the junk of such people. if that person is wrong it is not that persons fault, it should be our duty to tell that person why that person is wrong. if that person refuse to accept their err, then that person will not chose to hear when that person has been told, and will not see when that person has been shown

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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Salaam/peace

im no expert, but muslims are taught to believe in the injil (injeel)

we believe some Prophets received holy books from God Almighty ; such as

Moses/ Musa (p) got Torah/ Taurat ,
David/ Dawud (p) got Pslam / Zabur ,
Jesus/ Isa (p) got Injil/ Bible ,
Muhammed (p) got Quran.

We also believe human being added/ deleted/altered the previous holy books. So , God sent the final holy book & made it easy to remember/ memorise . Millions memorised the full Quran/ they can recite the whole Quran from memory. It is one of the ways Quran was preserved as it came to the last Prophet.

No one can change any single word of it as Qurani Hafiz ( those who have Quran in memory ) will catch the mistake immediately.

I believe they say Lord,

if lord means leader , then we have no problem with it . If we want to use Lord same as God , then we believe all Prophets including Muhammed (p) were humble servants of God.

We believe all Prophets came with one important message to deliver : worship one God only , don’t associate partner with Him.

a related verse :

Say you: "We believe in Allah ( God Almighty) , and the revelation given to us,
and to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord:

We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam).
(Al-Baqarah 2:136)

 

[Sailka]

How is the truth defined as hate? I am doing as Jesus taught by looking at the “fruits” of Mohummad’s life. I do as Jesus did and pray for all and reject what is not truth. You should not be judging me for hate, as it is not of God to do so. I pray for all and hate no one.

You put Lies out, Totally Opposite of Catholic Teaching, documented several times in earlier posts here!. And When, where did Jesus ever throw hatred at anyone?

                                                                                            Try  posts 51, 52, 64, 80  for beginners.    And Know that the Cathechism of the Catholic Church teaches in CCC  841  that Muslims are included in the Plan of Salvation,  "In the first place"  And their Religion is far more demanding of   Prayer, etc.

Remember the Bible verse " take the plank out of your own eye… (Before making accusations wrongly)

And Judge ye not, lest ye be judged in the same eye"

 

[oneloveichiai]

Alhamdulillah someone knows their stuff.

 

[TomaszA]

Plan of salvation doesn’t mean that Islam is salvific, it just means God desires the salvation of Muslims as well, and that includes their coming to full knowledge of the Truth which means accepting Jesus Christ as the Icon of the Father.

As for Muhammad being in purgatory, unless he repented of his false revelation prior to death I highly doubt he’s there.

 

[guanophore]

Respect for Christ does not save a man. Unless they believe that Christ died for their sins they will perish in those sins. They must believe.

ja4, it is not for us to determine the state of another man’s heart and faith. That is for the Lord to decide.

All these passages point to the fact that a person must believe certain things about themselves and the Lord Jesus. Muslims and anyone else who reject Him would be condemned.

This may be, but judging a whole race of people is an unspeakable act of prejudice and bigotry.

 

[oneloveichiai]

Plan of salvation doesn’t mean that Islam is salvific, it just means God desires the salvation of Muslims as well, and that includes their coming to full knowledge of the Truth which means accepting Jesus Christ as the Icon of the Father.

As for Muhammad being in purgatory, unless he repented of his false revelation prior to death I highly doubt he’s there.

just as the torah and the bible were written so was the Koran. the Koran being a divine message through good from the angel Gabriel…
false revelation?? there was nothing false about it!!! go read and then see if you have the balls to call it false

 

[TomaszA]

just as the torah and the bible were written so was the Koran. the Koran being a divine message through good from the angel Gabriel…
false revelation?? there was nothing false about it!!! go read and then see if you have the balls to call it false

I have read the Qur’an more than once.

Early in my reversion to Christianity I actually regarded Muhammad as a legitimate prophet to the Arabic speaking people. However, I soon realized that Muhammad’s message substantially contradicted the revelations before him. Revelations can’t contradict so I had to conclude that Muhammad was not inspired and that his message was false.

 

[oneloveichiai]

I have read the Qur’an more than once.

Early in my reversion to Christianity I actually regarded Muhammad as a legitimate prophet to the Arabic speaking people. However, I soon realized that Muhammad’s message substantially contradicted the revelations before him. Revelations can’t contradict so I had to conclude that Muhammad was not inspired and that his message was false.

ever occured to you that within the 2000 years the Bible hasnt been changed? and im glad you have read it several times. have you noticed that orthodox Jews dont actually believe in Jesus Jeus? offcousre they acknowledge what Moses prophecized about Jesus but their belief limits to the Torah. the Torah leads to Jesus, the Bible is about Jesus and the Koran refers to Jesus. so the torah is false too? if the torah is false then the bible would be false? concluding with the agrement, that if the torah and bible is false, so would the koran…i dont think so

 

[Sailka]

the first Crusade was launched in 1095 after Pope Urban II gave a speach claiming “Christians as the noble race of the Franks”? whatever that means and as if it were a good reason to start any war. note that knights used in the Crusades were also bankers and that is how the knights of templar came to be. i might have been wrong with some historical claims, but what i meant as the vatican i meant as the Pope. it is also worth to note that back then not everybody was educated. People were born into a religion and beeing comanded by the authority of that religion was sufficient enough for one to join in armed forces against another. Just becasue we believe in Jesus Christ does it mean we should kill muslims, or kill Jews (who in fact lead to the death of our King Jesus?) or even accept that the Holocaust could be seen as cleaning the earth from Jews. NO. We have to coexist with Jews and Muslims, cuz we all believe in one God. What if Pope Benedict the 16th were to say all Catholics should go and slay a Muslim, Jew, or an atheist? I know i wouldnt follow that order. the Church in essence is divine, but it consitutes of men, and men are evil. so the Church can and has been evil. is it still evil, maybe, maybe not…that should be our problem, not the Islamic faith.
and wut does IOS mean?
TOS warning. im sorry but you should learn to tolerate the junk of such people. if that person is wrong it is not that persons fault, it should be our duty to tell that person why that person is wrong. if that person refuse to accept their err, then that person will not chose to hear when that person has been told, and will not see when that person has been shown

This Post contains several essential misunderstandings. Eastern Patriark Alexius did ask Pope Urban II for Military Aid against the very near Muslim forces, occupiers of Byzantine lands. Were several competing Muslim occupier atmies, competing leaders.

The Muslim occupiers of the Holy Land were Very respectful of unhinderd Access to Christian Pilgrims, until one local Muslim leader at Jerusalem Imposed Taxes on Pilgrims and destroyed the Shrine of the Sepulcher. Upon which Pope Urban II emotionally asked for secular local leaders all over Europe to recapture Jerusam.

All were Secular led modest ‘armies’ led by Knights and Noblemen, not clergy. They proceeded slowly their own ways, the German units allegedly beginnig the first pogrom against jews, on the idea that any non-Catholic was a heathen. Most were poor peasants with no military training or supplies. Several units looted locals for sustenance. Byzantine emperor Alexius did not permit entry into Constantinople but did furnish some supplies and modest Byzantine forces. They looted local supplies, sometimes initiating military squables. The loosly coordinated military units killed almost everyone, Christian, Muslim, Jews locals in both Antioch and Jerusalem. Again, there was no Clergy leadership or transfer of Land, MOney to the Vatican. All leadership was by often weak faith knights, noblemen. Ther French forces especially were after new ‘milk and honey’ lands for their overpopulated homelands.
Fr Mitch Pacwa SJ of EWTN, of noted scholarship about a year ago stated repeatedly that there was no Vatican or Catholic clergy leadership of the Crusades. My Reference is the secular Wikadelphia site. Very secular.

The TOS notices were required because of ther Repeated wild attacks by One new member, to try for his Behavior. Hopefully was just misunderstanding by Him. We welcome his, everyones participation.
You show remarkeable research abillity already, Onelove! Great to have Each of you here. And we are learning so much. :compcoff:

 

[TomaszA]

ever occured to you that within the 2000 years the Bible hasnt been changed? and im glad you have read it several times. have you noticed that orthodox Jews dont actually believe in Jesus Jeus? offcousre they acknowledge what Moses prophecized about Jesus but their belief limits to the Torah. the Torah leads to Jesus, the Bible is about Jesus and the Koran refers to Jesus. so the torah is false too? if the torah is false then the bible would be false? concluding with the agrement, that if the torah and bible is false, so would the koran…i dont think so

The Old Testament prophecies the coming of Jesus, and most of those prophecies have been fulfilled, the rest will be fulfilled upon His second coming.

Jesus revealed Himself to be bringing the last revelation. Before God gave messages to men, but with the coming of the Son of God, the Word itself became flesh and all that God needed to revealed was revealed through Him.

Jesus established a Church that would be protected, the Holy Spirit would guide it and prevent it from falling into error. Channels of grace were given to nourish Christians and help them advance spiritually.

From this perspective there is no need for another prophet, especially one that contradicts what was before him. For this reason I accept the OT and the NT but don’t accept the Quran’

 

[thistle]

it is soooo tempting to diss you on your lack of knowledge. the Koran was dictated to Mohamed by the Angel Gabriel. and about your previous post, it was the Vatican that attacked the muslims first for land, money, and power. and the Vatican should have know better than to create wars, cause wars lead to nothing good. Go learn some history. you have no authority to judge who will go to hell. mormon people are decent people. the unity within the family is something we should all learn, the way they worship God and the little details is irrelevant. It boils down to whether you are trying to do good or whether you let evil reign your life. Everyone is born good and evil is the lack of good. if you were to study the life of the Prophet Mohammed he did nothing but teach the word of God, spread the idea that Jesus was born out of the Virgin Mary. Did you know she is the only woman ever mentioned in the Koran, there is a whole Chapter of Her. How do you know that throughout the 2000 years the Bible and the church hasnt been corrupted, changed or altered? im starting to wonder why we go to church on sunday when the sabath day is clearly Saturday. Ive lived in muslim countries for half of my life, and there is nothing bad about being a muslim. if a muslim clearly understand the Koran, rather than a license from God to kill the infidels, a muslim is a great person, i dare say they acknolwedge Jesus more than you becuase they believe in what He said and did. because that is what counts. Allah loves good people. the Passion of Christ directed by mel gibson was done to overwhelm us with historical accuracy, one was by using arameo. in one point while Jesus is talking He says Allah.

youtube.com/watch?v=BTSG0YzlGB8

The Koran was not dictated to Mohammed by the angel Gabriel.
Mohammed simply took the Old Testament and New Testament teachings and used what he felt supported his deviant thoughts. If any did not agree with his deviations he could get round this by saying the Bible is corrupt. What a con artist.
After all Islam is a perversion of Judaism and Christianity and resulted in a false and violent religion.

Back to my earlier post I see that muslims agree that they do not accept that Jesus is God so why do you maintain they they do?

 

[cthulhubryan]

The Koran was not dictated to Mohammed by the angel Gabriel.
Mohammed simply took the Old Testament and New Testament teachings and used what he felt supported his deviant thoughts. If any did not agree with his deviations he could get round this by saying the Bible is corrupt. What a con artist.
After all Islam is a perversion of Judaism and Christianity and resulted in a false and violent religion.

Back to my earlier post I see that muslims agree that they do not accept that Jesus is God so why do you maintain they they do?

Hmmm. I’ll jot down my thoughts to get what I want, then if you disagree I’ll say that the fault is in the bible you are reading.

Joseph Smith anyone?

 

[bov]

Salvation is desired by God for all. To the degree that you were provided the truth and you cooperated with it (or rejected it), will determine whether you enter heaven or hell after death and judgement.

Divine revelation ended with Christ Jesus. God did not need Mohummed or Joseph Smith to add to or change anything that Christ Jesus said or did.

If Jesus had lead millitant wars against innocent villages and people of any race or place, as Mohummad did (let alone have dozens of wives), I would not be a follower of his.

 

[Sailka]

Salvation is desired by God for all. To the degree that you were provided the truth and you cooperated with it (or rejected it), will determine whether you enter heaven or hell after death and judgement.

Divine revelation ended with Christ Jesus. God did not need Mohummed or Joseph Smith to add to or change anything that Christ Jesus said or did.

[SIGN]If Jesus had lead millitant wars against innocent villages and people of any race or place, as Mohummad did (let alone have dozens of wives), I would not be a follower of his[/SIGN].

The problem is it wasn’t muslims or other faiths who annihilated villages and innocents. It was secular leaders ‘using’ Religion labels. Is book out about that: Us and Them And please read who annihilated Antioch and Jerusalem in the Crusades. Post 94 above.
And when did Muhamed kill innocent vilages and people? Maybe I missed something in History. The Crusades were against Tribal Leaders who used Islam as their justification to capture the Middle East “For Islam”. Again, turns out just about all ‘religious wars’ are not.

 

[inJESUS]

Sailka, if you need to investigate about who started killing who, you must go back to Muhammad and his compagnions. Check the Futuhat, the Islamic conquests which were offensive and not defensive in order to promote Islam and take booty and slaves. The crucades cames a looooong time after Muslims started attacking villages and cities, killing and subduing and imposing their own rules.