Is Orthodox Christianity seen as a place where the Catholic & Protestant Churches could possibly reunite?

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These are wonderful gestures, but I don’t see reunion happening soon. They have had already one thousand years to effect a reunion and it hasn’t happened.
Pope Francis says that the EO and RC Churches will not unite if it depended on the theologians:
“We’re on this path, but we must wait until the theologians agree among themselves. We’ll never get to that day, I assure you. I am skeptical.”

Read more here: fresnobee.com/2014/11/30/4261884/pope-patriarch-seek-dialogue-peace.html#storylink=cpy
 
Schmemann - Post #143.
Fortescue - Post #148.

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Interesting. Since when did Schmemann or Fortescue become fathers of the Church? Not that it matters, since you took Schmemann out of context too, and then even made ridiculous attempts to twist his words to seem as if he supported what he called an ecclesiological distortion and poison.
 
Because they are the ones who have made many adjustments away from the faith once held in common. I was reading a thread in Traditional Catholicism a few days ago and discovered that a Catholic priest can celebrate Mass several times a day at the same altar. I’ve also learned that a priest can celebrate a private mass on his own.

All these are huge changes.

In the Orthodox Church, a priest cannot serve more than one liturgy per day, neither can more than one liturgy be served on the same altar in one day. It is also not possible for a priest to serve the liturgy unless he is accompanied by at least one other person.
How many of these so call issues are liturgical vs doctrinal? The Catholic Church respects the different Rites and the different liturgical laws for each rite. I would argue that the above is liturgical law, and a liturgical law based on necessity. Catholic Priests often have to perform more than one Mass in one day because our Parishes have more people than can sit in the Church. And we don’t have enough priests.

However, they do the best they can to limit to just one per day when possible by using retired priests as weekend assistants. But in some remote areas, it’s not possible when you only have 3 priests to cover 9 masses.

What do you do? say 2/3rd of the people just can’t attend mass? Or build a new church without the funds needed?
 
I believe that the Catholic Church is willing to budge on the issue of whether or not it will allow Orthodox priests to wear beards. Previously, the Catholic papal legate Humbertus excommunicated Michael Cerularius in 1054, citing that he wore a beard (among other issues).
What is it with you and beards? I know plenty of Catholic Priests with beards.

Most of the issues back then were CULTURAL misunderstandings. Today, we have instant communication where we can better solve those cultural issues to understand the theological questions/concerns.
 
Most of the issues back then were CULTURAL misunderstandings. Today, we have instant communication where we can better solve those cultural issues to understand the theological questions/concerns.
Pope Francis is quoted as saying: “I want to assure each one of you gathered here that, to reach the desired goal of full unity, the Catholic Church does not intend to impose any conditions except that of the shared profession of faith.” I am not sure what that would mean. Does that mean only the same Nicene Creed?
 
Pope Francis is quoted as saying: “I want to assure each one of you gathered here that, to reach the desired goal of full unity, the Catholic Church does not intend to impose any conditions except that of the shared profession of faith.” I am not sure what that would mean. Does that mean only the same Nicene Creed?
It means there is a moratorium on the Catholic Church in Russia, which precedes its amazing return to Christianity and mother Church Russia. Perhaps they could invite the Pope to Russia and discuss these concerns of yours in person? They keep saying over there its not a “State ran Church”. But moratoriums indicate exactly that and of course with Putin and its implication with the Church, they have a dilemma. Its tied up in court through legal action by the Vatican now.
Asked about prospects of meeting with Patriarch Kirill, head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Francis said both wanted to meet.
“I said I’ll go wherever you want — you call me and I’ll go. And he also has the same desire,” Francis said. “But with the problems of the war, the poor guy has so many problems, so a meeting with the pope will have to wait. But we do want to meet. We want to go forward.”
Seems they are to busy with his own Church, looks like schism. Course like you above I am assuming thats what the Pope means in the last paragraph.

Tom why don’t they allow the Pope in Russia? Seems like the only one who doesn’t want to go forward is well mother Russia and Putin. And they the Catholic Church have been attempting for years to get together. Well I guess he’s too busy as suggested to discuss anything with the Church in the rest of the world. Good thing they are having a Synod next year. Everyone wants to hear what mother Russia has to say.
 
Here’s a similar release…

google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDIQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsday.com%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Fpope-patriarch-seek-dialogue-peace-in-ukraine-1.9666289&ei=6iF8VKmUBsGjgwTG64OgAw&usg=AFQjCNFcy1HUO3OqI7h7LmbCtumr4V_dSA
Earlier Sunday in Istanbul, Francis and Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I issued a joint statement saying they were praying for peace in Ukraine “while we call upon all parties involved to pursue the path of dialogue and of respect for international law in order to bring an end to the conflict and allow all Ukrainians to live in harmony.”
but long-running tensions in Russia between Orthodox faithful and Catholics in Russia prevented Emeritus Pope Benedict XVI and before him St. John Paul II from achieving their long-sought dreams of a meeting with the Russian patriarch.
And here’s another…

google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCgQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asianews.it%2Fnews-en%2FPope-Francis-sends-message-to-Patriarch-of-Moscow%2C-Kirill%3A-I-am-ready-to-meet-31265.html&ei=3iF8VI-nC8WngwSRl4QY&usg=AFQjCNEDSiGMAqz7G_Z57boCYT0ARyJjtg
The Pontiff’s words were relayed in private, “in front of very few people” on the margins of the concert held in conjunction with the Synodal Choir of the Moscow Patriarchate. The same sources say that Kirill limited his response to “thanks” for the “precious gift” made to him by “friends in Rome”. Several attempts to contact the director of the Sistine Chapel choir for a comment have failed. According to sources in the Catholic community in Moscow, the timing of the message was not random: during the days when he was meeting with Bartholomew - who the Moscow Patriarchate sees as a rival within the Orthodox world - the Argentinian Pope wanted to reiterate his interest in also having good relations with the Russian Orthodox Church.
It is not clear whether the offer was met with appreciation by Moscow. On May 28 , Kirill spoke of a “cooling” in relations with the Vatican, linked to Greek - Ukrainian Catholics involvement in the Maidan Square protests in Kiev and their - in his opinion - “Russia-phobic” positions. The primate has warned that the situation in the former Soviet Republic casts “very sad shadow” over relations between the Patriarchate and the Holy See. According to sources in the Orthodox community, the Patriarch’s words “were not addressed directly to the Pope, whose work he continues to appreciate, but in general to those in the Catholic Church who have no interest in ecumenical dialogue”.
This position is reflected in recent statements by Metropolitan Hilarion of Volokolamsk, head of the Synodal Department for External Church Relations. “There is a part of the Catholic Church that is investing energy, talent and resources to strengthen the interaction between Catholics and Orthodox, while another is doing everything possible to create distrust and enmity”, denounced the metropolitan during a June 3 address to a Congress in Minsk.
Why all the distrust. we only want to chit chat about beards? 😊
 
It means there is a moratorium on the Catholic Church in Russia, which precedes its amazing return to Christianity and mother Church Russia. Perhaps they could invite the Pope to Russia and discuss these concerns of yours in person? They keep saying over there its not a “State ran Church”. But moratoriums indicate exactly that and of course with Putin and its implication with the Church, they have a dilemma. Its tied up in court through legal action by the Vatican now.

Seems they are to busy with his own Church, looks like schism. Course like you above I am assuming thats what the Pope means in the last paragraph.

Tom why don’t they allow the Pope in Russia? Seems like the only one who doesn’t want to go forward is well mother Russia and Putin. And they the Catholic Church have been attempting for years to get together. Well I guess he’s too busy as suggested to discuss anything with the Church in the rest of the world. Good thing they are having a Synod next year. Everyone wants to hear what mother Russia has to say.
The problems with Russia have to do with the civil war there and the tensions between the various Churches in Ukraine. BTW, there is a beautiful Roman Catholic cathedral in Moscow which celebrates several Masses every day.
 
Why all the distrust. we only want to chit chat about beards?
Ukraine is the problem. But recently the Greek Catholic Church in Ukraine signed a memorandum with some Orthodox leaders in Ukraine to create a single “local Orthodox Church” in Ukraine. I am not sure if it will be that easy for the Greek Catholics to merge with the Orthodox there.
asianews.it/news-en/Christian-politicians-and-religious-leaders-agree-to-a-memorandum-for-a-single-Ukrainian-Church-32750.html
 
The problems with Russia have to do with the civil war there and the tensions between the various Churches in Ukraine.
I understand all this, the problems are real and obviously outlined above, they require charitable open mined dialogue and a persistence of patience moving toward unity, just as stated and understood by everyone who remotely cares about the situation.

The point that there is a Catholic Church in Russia doesn’t address the issues posted. Sorry I can’t imagine how thats arrived at by suggestion.
 
Ukraine is the problem. But recently the Greek Catholic Church in Ukraine signed a memorandum with some Orthodox leaders in Ukraine to create a single “local Orthodox Church” in Ukraine. I am not sure if it will be that easy for the Greek Catholics to merge with the Orthodox there.
Right the issue becomes more complex with Greek-Catholic-Orthodox relations which was further touched on Nov 2nd in Minsk.
 
Many Orthodox Christians today believe that no Church council can be considered ecumenical until the “whole Church” has accepted it. This theory, known as “receptionism”, was first put forth by the Orthodox philosopher Alexis Khomaikov who proposed that while a particular council may declare itself to be ecumenical, it may later be regarded by the Church as being a “Robber Council,” that is, a council which did not declare the truth but rather heresy. Alternatively, a council may teach the truth properly but not be of universal significance for the Church; such councils are usually termed local. Thus, receptionism holds that that a council must be “received” by the Church and of universal significance before it can be considered ecumenical.

What is not immediately obvious to its proponents, apparently, is the reality that this theory engenders in the individual believer the notion that his “vote” counts; in other words, he is actually encouraged to pick and choose what he will or won’t accept from the hierarchy of his Church. As a result, rather than the Church judging, guiding and correcting the individual on his journey through life, each individual Orthodox now stands in judgment of the Church on its passage through history!

In many respects, this situation is similar to the private judgment of Protestantism which, when coupled with the false doctrine of sola scriptura, means that every Protestant is the ultimate interpreter of the Bible. Given the tendency of human nature to assume that our own ideas are correct, it is not uncommon for people to believe that their own interpretations are without error, and while few people would be so bold as to claim that their own interpretations are infallible, in essence, that is how personal opinions are often viewed. While this creates enormous problems for Catholic-Protestant dialogue, the challenges are multiplied many times over with and within Orthodoxy, because receptionism depends upon the ability of each individual Orthodox to read and to interpret properly not only the Bible but also the much larger body of writings of the Fathers and the Councils of the Church, as well.

This private judgment problem is exacerbated by Orthodoxy’s rejection of the supremacy of the successor of Peter as head of the universal Church and its denial of papal infallibility. Without one, unifying, and visible head of the one, visible Church, the Orthodox have unwittingly undermined the authority of their own patriarchs and bishops whose ability to teach infallibly when in communion with the Bishop of Rome has been eliminated by schism. In denying the Bishop of Rome anything more than an empty “primacy of honor”, Orthodoxy has relegated its patriarchs to that same empty “primacy of honor” amongst its other bishops. In the absence of any final court of appeal, disagreements and disputes rage on indefinitely as all parties jockey amongst themselves for positions of honor.
 
Haven’t you posted the same thing on a couple of other threads? Isn’t this the very definition of spamming?
 
Many Orthodox Christians today believe that no Church council can be considered ecumenical until the “whole Church” has accepted it. This theory, known as “receptionism”, was first put forth by the Orthodox philosopher Alexis Khomaikov who proposed that while a particular council may declare itself to be ecumenical, it may later be regarded by the Church as being a “Robber Council,” that is, a council which did not declare the truth but rather heresy. Alternatively, a council may teach the truth properly but not be of universal significance for the Church; such councils are usually termed local. Thus, receptionism holds that that a council must be “received” by the Church and of universal significance before it can be considered ecumenical.

What is not immediately obvious to its proponents, apparently, is the reality that this theory engenders in the individual believer the notion that his “vote” counts; in other words, he is actually encouraged to pick and choose what he will or won’t accept from the hierarchy of his Church. As a result, rather than the Church judging, guiding and correcting the individual on his journey through life, each individual Orthodox now stands in judgment of the Church on its passage through history!

In many respects, this situation is similar to the private judgment of Protestantism which, when coupled with the false doctrine of sola scriptura, means that every Protestant is the ultimate interpreter of the Bible. Given the tendency of human nature to assume that our own ideas are correct, it is not uncommon for people to believe that their own interpretations are without error, and while few people would be so bold as to claim that their own interpretations are infallible, in essence, that is how personal opinions are often viewed. While this creates enormous problems for Catholic-Protestant dialogue, the challenges are multiplied many times over with and within Orthodoxy, because receptionism depends upon the ability of each individual Orthodox to read and to interpret properly not only the Bible but also the much larger body of writings of the Fathers and the Councils of the Church, as well.

This private judgment problem is exacerbated by Orthodoxy’s rejection of the supremacy of the successor of Peter as head of the universal Church and its denial of papal infallibility. Without one, unifying, and visible head of the one, visible Church, the Orthodox have unwittingly undermined the authority of their own patriarchs and bishops whose ability to teach infallibly when in communion with the Bishop of Rome has been eliminated by schism. In denying the Bishop of Rome anything more than an empty “primacy of honor”, Orthodoxy has relegated its patriarchs to that same empty “primacy of honor” amongst its other bishops. In the absence of any final court of appeal, disagreements and disputes rage on indefinitely as all parties jockey amongst themselves for positions of honor.
Orthodox say that anything more than primacy of honor is an innovation which is unacceptable. Pope Francis is quoted as saying: “I want to assure each one of you gathered here that, to reach the desired goal of full unity, the Catholic Church does not intend to impose any conditions except that of the shared profession of faith.” I am not sure if that means that for reunion with RC, Orthodox do not have to accept the papal doctrines defined in Vatican I, but on the surface it looks like it.
 
Haven’t you posted the same thing on a couple of other threads? Isn’t this the very definition of spamming?
Actually, while some of the concepts are the same, I’ve added a whole new section on private judgment which I think you’re going to enjoy. Protestants eliminated Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium and that left them with sola scriptura. Orthodox have just eliminated the Magisterium, but they still have the problem of private judgment with regard to scripture and Patristics. That leaves them in a muddle that is remarkably similar to that of Protestantism when the incense finally clears.

How is receptionism not the same thing that Protestants are doing?

But, wait…you’re not trying to *silence *me on a technicality instead of addressing the substance of my argument…are you? 😛
 
Orthodox say that anything more than primacy of honor is an innovation which is unacceptable.
Yes, I know that Orthodox say that, Tom, and that in and of itself is the real innovation. Prior to the Byzantine Schism, the unified Church agreed that the papacy had supreme authority and universal jurisdiction. Only a selective reading of the Fathers…proof-texting in reverse, so to speak…hides this fact from Eastern Christians.
Pope Francis is quoted as saying: “I want to assure each one of you gathered here that, to reach the desired goal of full unity, the Catholic Church does not intend to impose any conditions except that of the shared profession of faith.” I am not sure if that means that for reunion with RC, Orthodox do not have to accept the papal doctrines defined in Vatican I, but on the surface it looks like it.
It will be interesting to see what concessions are made to Orthodoxy, but it seems to me that there is a lot more Catholicism in the first millennium than many EO care to admit.
 
But, wait…you’re not trying to *silence *me on a technicality instead of addressing the substance of my argument…are you? 😛
When the substance of your argument has already been responded in another thread, it would be better for you to link to the post in the thread in which you first made these claims so that the responses already made can be read. The rules are there for a reason.
 
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