Is Orthodoxy better to deal with today's society?

[lssanjose]

Just a thought …

Christians from the Apostolic age forward have suffered persecution, sometimes even at the hand of fellow Christians. History is what it is, and we must honestly acknowledge it and move on in peace and fellowship.

Our concern should be for our fellow Christians and other faithful people of goodwill who today are persecuted for their faith, or live in constant fear even if not directly persecuted for their faith.

Lord have mercy!

Thanks, for your voice of reason, brother.

 

[Marybeloved]

No, they’re not. But, being I’m not as versed on Orthodoxy Church history, as I am - in contrast to - Roman Catholicism Church history, I’m leaving them out of the picture, as there are probably people better suited to address that, than I am.

How can you then set out to make a comparison of persecution and peace in Christendom if you’re not even aware of that history of Christendom. Also, You’re versed in RC History, or colonial History? You seem to be unaware of much of that History from your posts, evident from the corrections you’ve attracted, no?

 

[GaryTaylor]

 

[Shiranui117]

Your ACROD friends might have a slightly different perspective.

Did I say all of the persecution? Did I even say MOST of the persecution? No. Of course I know Orthodox rulers routinely gave the Eastern Catholics hell, as well as communists who for some reason decided to enforce Russian Orthodoxy, both of these groups likely much more than the Catholics.

Roman Catholic kings of Poland, Lithuania and Austria weren’t exactly shining defenders of Eastern Catholicism, though.

 

[ByzCathCantor]

Roman Catholic kings of Poland, Lithuania and Austria weren’t exactly shining defenders of Eastern Catholicism, though.

In the case of Austria, depends on which era you may be considering.

 

[Shiranui117]

To what are you referring? Are you talking about the Nazis or Nazi sympathizers who just happened to be born into Catholicism? Are you saying there were no communist persecutors who just happened to be born into Eastern Orthodoxy? So would it be fair for me to say “much of the persecution of the Eastern Catholics was at the hands of the Eastern Orthodox?”

Yes, it would be fair for you to say that much of the persecution Eastern Catholics was at the hands of the Eastern Orthodox. I’m not going to deny history here!

Though, I have always found it odd that the Soviets, who deemed religion to be opium of the people and an evil tool to keep the proletariat under the control of the bourgeious, decided to force Russian Orthodoxy on the Eastern Catholics

There were intense short periods of persecution, of course. But on the whole, there was peaceful co-existence.

I would venture to guess, then, that the same thing would apply to Catholics in the US.

Can you explain this comment?

I was referring to the kings of Poland, Lithuania and Austria (back when each had its respective empire)

Sounds like you are simply downplaying the seriousness of short periods of persecution of Catholics, while doing the opposite with short periods of persecution of Orthodox.

I suppose I’m looking at it in the detached, cold, utilitarian sort of way. I’m looking at it in terms of percentages of Catholics undergoing persecution as compared to the whole of the Catholic population worldwide.

The anti-Catholic and anti-clerical attitude in Mexico lasted longer than Communist rule. And for any persecution of Orthodox under communist rule you can bring up, persecution of Catholics under communist rule was always greater.

Do you have a name for this period? I’m curious about this now. I don’t believe I’m familiar with this. When was it, and what events occurred? A list of names will do just fine, no need to give me a long-winded explanation.

The United States itself was founded with anti-Catholic bigotry at its roots that made Catholics on the whole second-class citizens for about 200 years from its founding.

But how much of this led to the murdering of Catholics, and attempted expungement of their churches? Aside from the guys in the white sheets whose name isn’t worth even typing.

Catholicism not only had to deal with anti-Catholic protestantism, but also the anti-Catholicism of liberals and modernists.

What do you mean, liberals and modernists?

Whether Catholic or Orthodox, the faith of the people persevered.

Yep.

 

[ByzCathCantor]

Did I say all of the persecution? Did I even say MOST of the persecution?

No, you said “much of the persecution”.

Much is a lot, perhaps not “most”, and certainly less than “all”, yet greater than half. “Much” does imply some majority of instance.

That is all that can be inferred from your comment.

 

[Shiranui117]

No, you said “much of the persecution”.

Much is a lot, perhaps not “most”, and certainly less than “all”, yet greater than half. “Much” does imply some majority of instance.

That is all that can be inferred from your comment.

Then it seems we had different definitions of the word. That kind of thing happens a lot.

 

[lssanjose]

How can you then set out to make a comparison of persecution and peace in Christendom if you’re not even aware of that history of Christendom. Also, You’re versed in RC History, or colonial History? You seem to be unaware of much of that History from your posts, evident from the corrections you’ve attracted, no?

Mind laying off the personal attacks, Sister Marybeloved?

 

[Marybeloved]

Mind laying off the personal attacks, Sister Marybeloved?

Come on now, no need to make up unfounded accusations. You’re the one who just made a claim to knowing RC history as the basis of your claims here about the nature of persecution that RCs have had to suffer- I say it appears you don’t. How is that personal? How is that ‘attacks’?

 

[crazzeto]

Just a thought …

Christians from the Apostolic age forward have suffered persecution, sometimes even at the hand of fellow Christians. History is what it is, and we must honestly acknowledge it and move on in peace and fellowship.

Our concern should be for our fellow Christians and other faithful people of goodwill who today are persecuted for their faith, or live in constant fear even if not directly persecuted for their faith.

Lord have mercy!

Yes, it’s terrible to think what many go through! One way to be more involved (and better informed for prayer) is to look up Christian Solidarity World Wide and Voices of the Maryters. Both offer a perspective on this terrible situation, with faith traditions ranging from evangelical protistintism to Catholic and Orthodox.

Also the various Catholic news sources keep you up todate.