Is Padre Pio somewhat okay with Protestants?

[halogirl]

Yep. My own worries are for my late mother who is honestly the most Christlike person I’ve ever met. Methodist. Very active in her church reached out to all and selfless ever since her decision to join that church thru the Alpha course. She was baptised as a baby but I can honestly say she changed after doing the Alpha course, asking the Holy Spirit into her heart and starting going to Church. This happened in her late 50s. I can’t explain that but I became part of the church in the same way. Chose adult Baptism.

 

[CelticWarlord]

My own worries are for my late mother who is honestly the most Christlike person <<<

This being the case, I would think you have absolutely nothing to fear.

 

[halogirl]

I hope so. She’s a better Christian than me that’s for sure

 

[halogirl]

Am now worried about my brother (atheist, unbaptised ) and my sister in law (lapsed Catholic not been to confession in years ) laughed at the idea of me having a Holy area in my house

 

[CelticWarlord]

laughed at the idea of me having a Holy area in my house

There’s only so much one can do for folks who just aren’t interested. Even here, though, I personally would have no fears or worries. The deck they were dealt is clearly not the same as yours.

 

[halogirl]

I know . Just hard being literally the only Catholic in the family

 

[CelticWarlord]

Just hard being literally the only Catholic in the family

Hugs for you, my dear. You are in a unique position in the family. I think, over time, you will see how tremendously beneficial this has been for you. Think of the others as playing a role, without which your own growth would not be as stimulated. At the end of it all the curtain comes down, we all say, “wow that seemed real”, and no one has been hurt in the slightest. (this isn’t in the Catechism, by the way).

 

[halogirl]

That touched me xx

 

[steve-b]

If they don’t know they have committed a mortal sin and they try and follow their own faith and ask for forgiveness directly to God then in a sense it IS ‘easier’ isn’t it?

I’d say,

We can in return ask, who is it being talked about, that would not know some truth, they need to know, and how long is not knowing that truth, remain a valid excuse?

the CCC for example doesn’t assume anyone’s ignorance for example, on things they should know, is automatically permanent, OR innocent .

eg:

1791 This ignorance can often be imputed to personal responsibility. This is the case when a man “takes little trouble to find out what is true and good, or when conscience is by degrees almost blinded through the habit of committing sin.” In such cases, the person is culpable for the evil he commits.

ergo, Protestants for example, don’t get an automatic and permanent get outta jail free card for their ignorance on truth they need to know… Especially given how easy knowledge is accessed today, and one doesn’t put any effort in seeking it.

AND

Mortal sin , and forgiveness of it, is treated differently in scripture, than non mortal sin HERE
halogal:

More is asked of us Catholics. It was way easier for me when I was Protestant. But I got called here

And You put the effort into finding the truth.

 

[steve-b]

However, when saying day 5 of the Divine Mercy Novena, which is supposed to be Christ’s own words to St. Faustina, …

It’s a powerful prayer

Fifth Day:​

Today bring to Me THE SOULS OF THOSE WHO HAVE SEPARATED THEMSELVES FROM MY CHURCH, and immerse them in the ocean of My mercy. During My bitter Passion they tore at My Body and Heart, that is, My Church. As they return to unity with the Church, My wounds heal and in this way they alleviate My Passion.*

Most Merciful Jesus, Goodness Itself, You do not refuse light to those who seek it of You. Receive into the abode of Your Most Compassionate Heart the souls of those who have separated themselves from Your Church. Draw them by Your light into the unity of the Church, and do not let them escape from the abode of Your Most Compassionate Heart; but bring it about that they, too, come to glorify the generosity of Your mercy.

Eternal Father, turn Your merciful gaze upon the souls of those who have separated themselves from Your Son’s Church, who have squandered Your blessings and misused Your graces by obstinately persisting in their errors. Do not look upon their errors, but upon the love of Your own Son and upon His bitter Passion, which He underwent for their sake, since they, too, are enclosed in His Most Compassionate Heart. Bring it about that they also may glorify Your great mercy for endless ages. Amen.

 

[po18guy]

This is called Feeneyism and is contrary to the Catechism.

100% Correct. A really good book for all Christians is Dissent From The Creed by Fr. Richard M. Hogan. It chronicles and digests all major and some minor heresies, clearly explaining why they are heresies.

Back on point: It is through baptism that those outside the Church have a greater potential of salvation. The Church, by its power of binding and loosing, actually clarified the matter by ruling on two subjects:

1. By the Sacrament of Baptism, the possibility of salvation is entered into. All who are validly baptized are members of the Body of Christ - although in an imperfect communion. This is crucial and is why the Catholic Church (like certain of the Baptists) has closed communion.
2. An atheist may baptize, if they do so with the proper intent. It is the faith and submission of the believer, combined with the proper matter (water) which ensures the efficacy of the Sacrament.

Sadly, Protestantism, no matter how it is re-packaged; no matter how popular or trendy it has become, is still and will always remain a Christian heresy. Same applies to those who believe they are not Protestants, but “bible Christians.” Truth is truth, and facts are facts. Having said that, God saves whom He will.

Still, having the Sacraments and the fullness of the faith offers a plenitude of joy in this life of suffering and the promise of eternal joy in the Beatific Vision.

 

[Dlee]

Not going to read the article, but yes, protestants can go to Heaven. Non-Catholics can go to Heaven. Read your CCC. As a former baptist, I had no knowledge of Padre Pio.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

Where are you getting your terminology? I have always heard the terms “material” and “formal” heresy, not “immaterial”. Moreover, “material” means that one believes heretical doctrines but does not realize that they are heretical. “Formal” heresy means that the errant believer knows these teachings are contrary to the Catholic Faith, and yet endures in them, saying “I am right and the Church is wrong”. Martin Luther and others were formal heretics, not material ones.

There is probably a bit more nuance to it than this — for instance, a Protestant could well say “yes, I know the Catholic Church teaches that XYZ is true, but I believe XYZ is false, and not only that, I do not recognize the authority of the Catholic Church to teach what is true and what is false — only Christ and the Bible can do that”. Are they a material heretic or a formal one?

“Heretic” as derived from Greek simply means “one who has made a choice”, and has no negative connotation in itself. Clearly, though, no one wants to be called a heretic. For my part, I am utterly unconcerned whether a non-Catholic Christian regards me as a heretic, and if he called me that to my face, my attitude would just be “according to your tenets, yes, I am, and I can understand why you would say that, have a nice day”. I have had far more people disagree than agree with me on matters of faith, and I’m kind of used to it by now.

People do not like being called heretics to their faces, but in point of fact, in my mind, I regard all people who embrace a truth contrary to what the Catholic Church teaches as being at least material heretics. Not a condemnation, just a description.

 

[TK421]

Padre Pio was a mystic who could see other people’s spiritual dispositions, which weren’t necessarily better or worse based on if the people he met were protestant or Jewish, etc.

“Formal heresy” is a hard to define thing but it involves a higher level of knowledge and disobedience that doesnt apply to most people. Angels have the very highest level of knowledge whereas a baby would have the very lowest.

People such as Arius and Martin Luther were ordained ministers of the cloth. The level of their disobedience was, regrettably, probably very high.

 

[steve-b]

Not going to read the article, but yes, protestants can go to Heaven. Non-Catholics can go to Heaven. Read your CCC. As a former baptist, I had no knowledge of Padre Pio.

Just a quick thought

can go ≠will go

“can” requires much behind it, before “can” has that possibility

 

[Tis_Bearself]

It’s the same for Catholics. Catholics are not a “will go” to Heaven either. We are “can go”.

 

[steve-b]

It’s the same for Catholics. Catholics are not a “will go” to Heaven either. We are “can go”.

Qualified

Catholics who live the Catholic faith till the end will go to heaven. i.e. they die in a state of sanctifying grace.

one Outside the Catholic faith, dying in sanctifying grace, is a tough prospect.

 

[steve-b]

I’m pretty sick of the “rigid traditionalist” slur.

How would you interpret this statement from Vat II (Lumen Gentium)

" the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.

That’s from scripture. Do you Know where?

 

[Asinner]

All I was saying is I don’t like it when people call traditionalists insulting names like “rigid” and “radical.”

The way I interpret this, or at least I think the way it should be applied, is simply that if anyone asks us “how can I be saved?” then we have one answer for them: Jesus Christ saves us, and He gave us one Church to be baptized and saved. Not Buddha. Not Mohammad. Not “be a good person.” It’s Jesus that saves us. And some relevant scripture might be John 14:6

Jesus said to him, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

 

[steve-b]

All I was saying is I don’t like it when people call traditionalists insulting names like “rigid” and “radical.”

The way I interpret this, or at least I think the way it should be applied, is simply that if anyone asks us “how can I be saved?” then we have one answer for them: Jesus Christ saves us, and He gave us one Church to be baptized and saved. Not Buddha. Not Mohammad. Not “be a good person.” It’s Jesus that saves us. And some relevant scripture might be John 14:6

Jesus said to him, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

If I were to answer the question, I would say

These warnings don’t go outta style for those who won’t come into the Catholic Church or remain in it.

The following words (division, dissension depending on one’s translation) in the following passages, is the same Greek Word, διχοστασίαι, from the Greek study bible

Romans 16:17-20 & Galatians 5:19-21 use the same Greek word [διχοστασίαι,] And note the consequence for that sin of separation from the Church. Paul says “I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God”_. IOW they go to hell when they die

What Church is the only Church that is there from the beginning, that Jesus builds on Peter and those in union with him? The Catholic Church. Meaning scripture is making the point, all are to be in and remain in the Catholic Church if they want salvation.

Once someone is made aware of this truth and doesn’t enter it or remain in it, that’s where the consequence of “outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation” comes from in scripture