Is Pope Francis a Saint?

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Pope Paul VI will be canonized next Sunday. Popes John XXIII and John Paul II are already canonized. What does everyone think of Pope Francis? A living Saint or an ordinary level of holiness?
 
Pope Francis is not a saint. He is alive.
People cannot be saints when they are alive, because by definition, a “saint” is anyone who is in Heaven with God, which requires them to be dead.

We do not know anything about Pope Francis’ personal life or what sins he might have struggled with now or in the past or even in the future before his death. The Pope is a human being and it is wrong to regard living Popes or anyone else who is alive as “living saints”. We should only be concerned with whether he is properly fulfilling his duties as Pope. As far as I can tell, he is doing so.
 
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I think there’s a good chance he might become a saint in the future but until then, it’s hard to say.
 
I’m not sure, he seems a bit ordinary to me, but I don’t keep track over him that much.
 
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I don’t know if he’ll be canonized. Certain things have been kind of a mess throughout his pontificate. Then again, Popes aren’t necessarily canonized for how they ‘run’ the Church, but their personal holiness and virtues.
 
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People cannot be saints when they are alive, because by definition, a “saint” is anyone who is in Heaven with God, which requires them to be dead.
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The normative usage of the word which translates to saint in the Bible is the living communion of believers. Check the Psalms for example, or the epistles addressed to the saints in (name a church).
 
We are all called to be saints. But not all saints are canonized. Will Pope Francis be among those who is? That question will be answered by another Pope after Pope Francis has gone to his reward.
 
Just running on momentum, it appears that all post-V2 popes will become Saints. you get a canonization, YOU get a canonization . . . everyone gets a canonization!
 
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The normative usage of the word which translates to saint in the Bible is the living communion of believers. Check the Psalms for example, or the epistles addressed to the saints in (name a church).
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That’s quite obviously not the question the OP was asking.
The theological usage of terms is often quite different from the ordinary usage and it’s clear from the context the OP is asking if Pope Francis will be canonized, in other words using the ordinary use of the term “saint” as in St. John Paul II, etc.
 
The beginning of the sainthood process indicates they made it to heaven. I invite you to learn more on wiki.
 
Post-Resurrection there was a run of 32 popes who are canonized. I think it’ll be hard to beat that.
 
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That’s quite obviously not the question the OP was asking.
The theological usage of terms is often quite different from the ordinary usage and it’s clear from the context the OP is asking if Pope Francis will be canonized, in other words using the ordinary use of the term “saint” as in St. John Paul II, etc.
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I agree to an extent, however, the point is this, why would we create a separate theological definition which is outside the context, and in some ways contradictory to, the normal usage of the term in scripture? Is this not confusing?
 
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Even a “bad” pope can help you. It is all about God and not about a certain person’s saintly living. I still think that a pope with a saintly living/life/heart is way better but ultimately, it is all about God.
Is Francis living a holy life? Might be so!
 
I think so, though no one knows what the future holds. I surely don’t hold the cynical view that “everyone gets a canonization.” I think the more likely reason for increased canonizations are the increase in the holiness of the men who are made Pope. The pool that is drawn upon is no longer just Italy, but the world. But more than that, I think the modern information age has made such men more prone to be seen as role models.

Also, I would go back to Blessed Piux IX and St Pius X when the trend started.
 
It has just dawned on me that miracles may be more abundant than we can see.
I do not know,just thinking about the faith of the people who pray for intercession,that alone is beautiful. Cannot imagine what it is like to have those miracles where all seems to be lost and against all odds people are healed and a disease disappears. Praise God…
 
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