Is porn that bad for our society

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Is porn really that evil or does it provide a sexual outlet for a hyper-sexualized society?

My personal belief is that porn is, in and of itself, disgusting, but I believe that porn does serve an important service to society in that it does indeed provide a sexual outlet for a hyper-sexualized society. I believe that the biggest evil is in the people watching porn.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Is porn really that evil or does it provide a sexual outlet for a hyper-sexualized society?

My personal belief is that porn is, in and of itself, disgusting, but I believe that porn does serve an important service to society in that it does indeed provide a sexual outlet for a hyper-sexualized society. I believe that the biggest evil is in the people watching porn.
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I am confused what you mean by this. Are you saying that porn is good? Or bad? Or neutral? You said porn by itself is neutral because it is good and bad, but then say it is the worst evil. Please explain?
 
Redratfish said:
I am confused what you mean by this. Are you saying that porn is good? Or bad? Or neutral? You said porn by itself is neutral because it is good and bad, but then say it is the worst evil. Please explain?
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My view is that porn has positive effects on our society. The greatest evil are those who use porn, and not the porn itself.

In an ideal society, I would say that there would be no porn because people did not want to view it.

When choosing between two evils, always choose the lessor evil: I think porn is serving an important function in our evil society today, as evil as it is.
 
Anyone who has ever used porn knows that it is not an outlet for a hypersexualized culture but a cause of it.

Porn satisfies only for a short while, then the user is back for more and a harder dose.

Many lose contol.

-Tim-
 
Porn is a powerful driver of sexual derangement and dysfunction. It injures marriages and undermines the entire institution. It objectifies the persons depicted, breeding a culture of total autonomy and selfishness – a culture of death. It does not provide an outlet for desire but, like any drug, stimulates stronger and stronger desires until they are beyond control. These are all powerfully bad for society.

About the only good thing I can say about porn’s effect on society is that it is possible that pornography use reduces actual sex crimes, a possibility discussed here and here.
 
Robert_Sock said:
My view is that porn has positive effects on our society. The greatest evil are those who use porn, and not the porn itself.

In an ideal society, I would say that there would be no porn because people did not want to view it.

When choosing between two evils, always choose the lessor evil: I think porn is serving an important function in our evil society today, as evil as it is.
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This is very similar to Augustine’s and Aquinas’s view of prostitution.

However, I don’t think this is true of porn (whether or not it was true of prostitution, which I doubt–I’d be more inclined to apply their logic to cohabitation and “civil unions”). Porn doesn’t just give an “outlet” to sexual desire, but helps shape it.
 
Sorry, not going to agree.

In real life, you encounter real people with virtues, quirks, strengths, weaknesses and foibles. A healthy married sexual relationship involves loving the WHOLE other person, warts and all. It is fundamentally ordered towards learning to give rather than to take.

Porn inverts all that. Porn is all about using and taking. She isn’t a real person, she is a fantasy that exists soley to pleasure you. Indulging in that fantasy sets you up on a wrong path that will leave you disappointed with your real spouse and focused on getting for yourself rather than giving to your spouse.

Porn is like intentionally training yourself to have a bad sex life. Ask any military guy, the key to survival in combat is training to develop the instincts. When the heat of the moment comes, you respond per your instincts. If you train yourself to have selfish, shallow, narcisstic sexual habits then that is what will show up in the heat of the moment.
 
Pornography became widespread in the 1970s when Adult Bookstores opened everywhere, along with topless bars and strip clubs. Those producing porn knew that addiction would result.

Here is some good information about its harmful effects:

catholicnewsagency.com/resource.php?n=1064

Peace,
Ed
 
Robert_Sock said:
Is porn really that evil or does it provide a sexual outlet for a hyper-sexualized society?

My personal belief is that porn is, in and of itself, disgusting, but I believe that porn does serve an important service to society in that it does indeed provide a sexual outlet for a hyper-sexualized society. I believe that the biggest evil is in the people watching porn.
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Sheesh, Robert. Why not take your logic and say:

"Is bank-robbery really that evil or does it provide a grabby outlet for a hyper-greedy society?

My personal belief is that bank-robbery is, in and of itself, disgusting, but I believe that bank-robbery does serve an important service to society in that it does indeed provide a grabby outlet for a hyper-greedy society. I believe that the biggest evil is in the people robbing banks."
 
I can understand what you’re saying. A well ordered society needs brothels and porn just as a well ordered society needs a sewer system and gutters.

St Augustine expressed similar sentiments.

St Augustine said, “if prostitution were to be suppressed, capricious lusts would then overthow society”

Divine Providence and The Problem of Evil - St. Augustine
What can be mentioned more sordid, more bereft of decency, or more full of turpitude than prostitutes, procurers, and the other pests of that sort? Remove prostitutes from human affairs, and you will unsettle everything because of lusts; place them in the position of matrons, and you will dishonor these latter by disgrace and ignominy. This class of people is, therefore, by its own mode of life most unchaste in its morals; by the law of order, it is most vile in social condition.

Now, what I don’t really care for is that essentially you have two classes of women: the virtuous Christian woman and the whore who serves as a an outlet for lust and serves to protect the virtue of Christian women. This leads to economic and social inequality and as a result sex workers tend to be marginalized and abused. Perhaps consensual fornication is a better outlet for lust in a secular society than sex work, but I’m not really sure. Men always desire more sex than women are willing or able to provide, so there is a bit of a problem in supply and demand.
 
Stylites said:
Sheesh, Robert. Why not take your logic and say:

"Is bank-robbery really that evil or does it provide a grabby outlet for a hyper-greedy society?

My personal belief is that bank-robbery is, in and of itself, disgusting, but I believe that bank-robbery does serve an important service to society in that it does indeed provide a grabby outlet for a hyper-greedy society. I believe that the biggest evil is in the people robbing banks."
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Try using “playing violent video games” as an outlet (catharsis) for aggression and the analogy works fine!
 
I work in a retale store that sells porn amongst other dvd’s. And also have a porn addiction myself. I can tell you the ones who buy porn always come back for more. It never satisfies. I have even seen a man shop the porn section with his two sons in the shopping cart. This is very addictive. But it is also cold. No coversation, no warm body to touch, and in the end you are still alone with yourself.
 
I think that porn is very bad for society. Because of all the reasons the other posters have mentioned.

Also, because it is abusive to people. I know that many people will say it is not the case, but many people involved in making porn have been (or currently are) victims of abuse.

And many of the “18 year olds” are not quite 18. Therefore, it is actually child abuse. There is no way for the viewer to tell whether the girl (or guy) is of age. Is that person 18 or 15, 16, or 17? We have all heard stories about girls who are 15-17 showing a fake ID and becoming dancers or starring in an internet video. That happens and that is child abuse.

And the people who continue to view the videos or buy the DVD’s keeps the business going.

That is why I think that porn is very sad. Because it is abuse. And, in many cases, child abuse. :(:(:(😦
 
OscarsMama said:
I think that porn is very bad for society. Because of all the reasons the other posters have mentioned.

Also, because it is abusive to people. I know that many people will say it is not the case, but many people involved in making porn have been (or currently are) victims of abuse.

And many of the “18 year olds” are not quite 18. Therefore, it is actually child abuse. There is no way for the viewer to tell whether the girl (or guy) is of age. Is that person 18 or 15, 16, or 17? We have all heard stories about girls who are 15-17 showing a fake ID and becoming dancers or starring in an internet video. That happens and that is child abuse.

And the people who continue to view the videos or buy the DVD’s keeps the business going.

That is why I think that porn is very sad. Because it is abuse. And, in many cases, child abuse. :(:(:(😦
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I think you have a valid point on the abuse theory. Yes, a lot of the actors come from abusive families. Ideally, we have enough porn to last a lifetime and so the making of porn can be done away with. Again, porn is disgusting!

I don’t think the under age thing is valid. I believe that the inspection of age is closely watched so as not to get the producers in trouble with the law.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Is porn really that evil or does it provide a sexual outlet for a hyper-sexualized society?

My personal belief is that porn is, in and of itself, disgusting, but I believe that porn does serve an important service to society in that it does indeed provide a sexual outlet for a hyper-sexualized society. I believe that the biggest evil is in the people watching porn.
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Robert_Sock said:
My view is that porn has positive effects on our society. The greatest evil are those who use porn, and not the porn itself.

In an ideal society, I would say that there would be no porn because people did not want to view it.

When choosing between two evils, always choose the lessor evil: I think porn is serving an important function in our evil society today, as evil as it is.
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You are confused. Those who use porn are more evil than the porn? Do you mean the people who consume the images are more evil than the people who make the images? How can pornography be serving an important function in society and still be evil?

Evil is evil and has no redeeming value. What would you think would happen if there was no porn - do you think people would simply go wild and have sex everywhere? The porn industry has created this perversion of sexual lust, along with birth control so we can divorce the act from its natural outcome. The 2 together have led us very far astray from where God intended us to be.

Is this a debate for some class or something?
 
Stylites said:
Except for the fact that playing even violent video games is not a sinful act.
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Come on!!! The analogy does fit. If differences are that critical, then your original analogy used a criminal act whereas by original analogy did not.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Try using “playing violent video games” as an outlet (catharsis) for aggression and the analogy works fine!
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Not exactly. There is some evidence that playing violent video games desensitizes people to violence…making them possibly more apt to perform violent acts.
 
Robert_Sock said:
I don’t think the under age thing is valid. I believe that the inspection of age is closely watched so as not to get the producers in trouble with the law.
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Unfortunately, I have to disagree with you there. Perhaps my career field has shown me some things that not all others see. The producers are NOT verifying the ages of the stars in the movies any more than checking their ID. Many of these videos pay CASH. Therefore, nothing is claimed on taxes. Nothing is reported. A person responds to an ad for “video star” (or whatever). They show up to the “interview.” An ID is checked (perhaps) and a name is given. Then it is discussed what they are willing to do. They are paid depending upon the sexual acts that they will do and the types of movies they will make (which I will not get into specifics, but if anybody is truly wondering, PM me).

Anybody at any time can produce a porn movie. All they need is a video camera and a web site. Anybody can get that.

The girls and guys in the movies are paid cash.

Now, if law enforcement is able to determine that a person in a porn movie was underage at the time the movie was made, then they have a case for child porn. However, that is very difficult to prove for a few reasons 1) hard to locate the people in the movies, 2) hard to locate the “producer” of the movies, 3) hard to prove a time of taping (ie. there is no date on the porn movie).

Please don’t fall into the trap of believing that children are not used to make these movies. They are!!!
 
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