Is Protestantism , in it's nature, a heresy?

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pat,

No problem.Sometimes I get snarky and have to catch myself.

I see no reason to discard sola scriptura which siimply means that scripture alone contains what we need to know to achieve salvation and we should judge theories by it. Why should I discard that viewpoint?. It seems to me that Irenaeus agrees with me.

Yes the church (us) is the pillar of truth beause the gospel message is the truth and we have the authority to teach it, but I dont think people should start adding dogma that is not taught by the apostles.That sounds dangerous to me. It does not say that we have the right to deviate from the apostels and tell others what to believe. Where does it say that?

Peace, JohnR
Where does Jesus say all you need is scripture? Did God intended all his sheep most of which couldn’t read for over 1000 years(which Peter was charged with feeding/tending) to follow teachings by a book that wasn’t put together for almost 400 years and that now interprit so differently and cause division amongst one another ? Becuase Sola implys that right?
 
You are being arogant, know it all and divisive.
Peter,

Sometimes that comes across on this kind of forum but I try not to be that way.
I hope to discuss things in a kind civil manner. Peace, JohnR
 
Scripture is the inspired word of God. It was also writen for and by people that lived about 2000 years ago and now every Tom Rick and Harry can pick it up and think smashing babies againsts rocks is “biblical” that’s what Sola Scriptura does. Oh and not just that, it also allows Christ church (us) to be deeply divided. Sola Scriptura fertilized the 20,000+ denominations of pastors, who disagree with ine another and claim to have the “Holy Spirit” guiding them towards the correct bible interpritation.
Can the holy spirit realy guide the bible’s readers into all truth if they disagree? And if there is only realy one intended purpose of each scripture passage who is to decide what it realy was ment to teach? Why would God leave his entire family without someone to interprit true meanings behind things? That reminds me of a Guy who “The Father has revealed to you” was said to him by Jesus. His name was Peter. Perhaps, God in all his wisdom, setup the covenant with all the sons of Adam welcomed, and set a man in charge like he did with David,
 
Scripture is the inspired word of God. It was also writen for and by people that lived about 2000 years ago and now every Tom Rick and Harry can pick it up and think smashing babies againsts rocks is “biblical” that’s what Sola Scriptura does. Oh and not just that, it also allows Christ church (us) to be deeply divided. Sola Scriptura fertilized the 20,000+ denominations of pastors, who disagree with ine another and claim to have the “Holy Spirit” guiding them towards the correct bible interpritation.
Peter,

I dont think that way and I dont think that was taught in the nt at all. Neither do I agree that sola scrptura causes problems if christians behave as scripture teaches. In fact I would think that scripture would be very powerful to cause chrisians to improve their behavior and avoid teachings to behave otherwise. In fact I think sola scriptura has improved the world for that reason. Jesus is in scripture and He should be our guide.

Peace, JohnR
 
Is Protestantism , in it’s nature, a heresy?

No.

But only because I Love them 🙂
 
Where does Jesus say all you need is scripture? Did God intended all his sheep most of which couldn’t read for over 1000 years(which Peter was charged with feeding/tending) to follow teachings by a book that wasn’t put together for almost 400 years and that now interprit so differently and cause division amongst one another ? Becuase Sola implys that right?
Peter,

The real question is where else do you find the teachings of Jesus but in scripture? Scripture existed as soon as it was written which was by 100AD. Irenaeus expressed his respect for scripture and that was 170AD. It was not put together after 400 years at all.

I believe I have the right to think and decide for myself. Scripture is the Word of God. Does it say different?. Does anyone say different? I dont get your point.

Peace, JohnR
 
Peter,

I dont think that way and I dont think that was taught in the nt at all. Neither do I agree that sola scrptura causes problems if christians behave as scripture teaches. In fact I would think that scripture would be very powerful to cause chrisians to improve their behavior and avoid teachings to behave otherwise. In fact I think sola scriptura has improved the world for that reason. Jesus is in scripture and He should be our guide.

Peace, JohnR
You don’t think what way? Scripture teaches to do a lot of crazy stuff. Haven’t you read it?
You’ve never seen a contradiction in scripture? or heard of two opposing scriptural interpritations? Isn’t freelance-scripture interpritation part of your church’s belifes? E.g.mWhy do a lot of baptists not like Pentecostals? I can read acts and show you that we all should be living in a commune. Who are you to say we are not? Who is anyone to say how scripture should be interpreted? Please advise
 
Today I had a deep discussion with an Anglican friend of mine and we spoke about many topics. It further led to the core doctrines of Protestantism ; the 5 Solas. And various others.

I managed to point out how some of the core doctrines and various others are false and thus, are heretical doctrines. He admitted that these doctrines were clearly unorthodox and contradictory to Biblical and early church teachings.

My question is : If the core doctrines of Protestantism like Sola Scriptura are false, ergo in heresy, then is not Protestantism in its nature a heresy?:confused:
Wan,

I once in the past used to Call Catholic Answers and speak to the Apologist. Jimmy Akin used to take my calls…after much thought and thinking about this I called Jimmy and said…based on what I understand and what is believed…Is Protestantism a heresy…I heard one word from Jimmy…

Yes.
 
Peter,

The real question is where else do you find the teachings of Jesus but in scripture? Scripture existed as soon as it was written which was by 100AD. Irenaeus expressed his respect for scripture and that was 170AD. It was not put together after 400 years at all.

I believe I have the right to think and decide for myself. Scripture is the Word of God. Does it say different?. Does anyone say different? I dont get your point.

Peace, JohnR
It does say different. Look to the OT. I’ve heard it said that a rabbi used to be able to make a binding decision on a dispute of any kind.
 
Only in your opinion. No books were removed. What exactly are our errors?

We think our immortal souls are fine. Why not?

Peace, JohnR
High,

The deuterocanonicals were removed. It matter not what Jerome says, what Luther said, what you believe…they were removed.
 
Peter,

Its in scripture, the Word of God. That is where we find it. Dont you agree?

Peace, JohnR
Scripture is the inspired word of God, not all of it are his words friend. Inspired word ( God inspired the author to write it) and plus, the historians have proven alot of Jewish belifes about a lot of things to be myths friend… Don’t you watch the history channel?
 
Wadile,

Scripture is the Word of God provided by the church which is the pillar of the truth because we teach the gospel message. It does not mean that everything we say is correct. We can make mistakes like anyone.

Peace, JohnR
High,

You have to reconcile your thinking to the pillar and foundation of truth with the Church being the instrument by which the manifold wisdom of God is known…including your gospel message as you understand it…does the manifold wisdom of God known through the Church error…?
 
highrigger1,

By your own admission, you said the BIBLE IS WRITTEN TRADITION, and by CITATIONS from the BIBLE, it says ORAL TRADITIONS were also passed down. Thus, who holds the pillar of truth? The Church or the Bible? You said it is the Church, and by the authority granted to the Church as mentioned in the bible (to loose and bind) then SOLA SCRIPTURA doesn’t hold water.

For example, Does the bible says to come to the bible if there is a question of faith? What does the bible say about the final authority with regards to such dilemmas?

Thanks,
pat,

The bible is the Word of God. No teaching by anyone exceeds that in authority or even equal to it. Dont you agree?

The bible is our guide as to what is the Gospel message. That is the truth. It all begins with the Word of God dont you agree on that?

The bible is the Word of God. What better place is there to go for guidance? Of course we should seek advice from other christians (our church) Scripture says to do that.

I cannot understand why you seem to be downplaying the importance of the bible.

Scripture is the Word of God. Is what anyone else says carry equal authority to that?
I dont think so. What does your church teach about it? That the Word of God is secondary to the teaching of others? I cannot believe that!!?

It has been my opinion from reading about it that scripture is respected in the Catholic church as the Word of God and nothing except Christ Himself is equal to it. Am I wrong or have I been misled? Peace, JohnR

Peace, JohnR
 
Peter,

The real question is where else do you find the teachings of Jesus but in scripture? Scripture existed as soon as it was written which was by 100AD. Irenaeus expressed his respect for scripture and that was 170AD. It was not put together after 400 years at all.

I believe I have the right to think and decide for myself. Scripture is the Word of God. Does it say different?. Does anyone say different? I dont get your point.

Peace, JohnR
The Koran has the teachings of Jesus. Perhaps you should read it and ask the historians if they agree with it friend.
 
No. you are presuming some of those local meetings were churchwide. They were not. In fact the one in Carthage went forward without even consultiing the Roman church.
No Protestants did not remove those books from the bible. They were not really in the bible until Trent since they had never been formally been accepted church wide until Trent. In the Vulgate Jerome labeled them as apochrypha. The Reformers accepted his view.
Until Trent there were advocaes of both views. Your informationi is not correct.

Dont know what you are shrugging about. Here is an expert to explain.

The Bible, the Church, and Authority
by Joseph T. Lienhard (Catholic)

“At the time of the Reformation, the canon of the Bible, Old and New
Testaments, was called into question. Generally, the Protestants
disputed the Catholic claim to interpret scripture, either by Papal
decree or by the action of church councils.No one had defined the
limits of the Bible until the (Catholic) Council of Trent, 1546
From this time, the Roman Catholic Church declared that the Old
and New Testaments, plus the deuterocanoncial books that were
called Apocrypha by the Protestants, were scripture.”

p59
“For the first fifteen hundred years of christianity, no christian
church put forth a difinintive list of Bible books. Most christians
had followed St. Augustine and included the “Apocrapha” in the canon,
but St. Jerome, who excluded them, had always had his defenders.”

“He (Jerome) writes,‘This preface to the Scriptures may serve as a helmeted introduction
to all the books which we turn from Hebrew into Latin, so that we may be assured that
what is not found in our list must be placed among the Apochryphal writings’. He then
exludes Wisdom. Sarach, Judith, Tobit, the Shepherd and 1&2 Maccabees. He does not mention
Baruch.”

Peace, JohnR
High,

I will direct you to a thread that will cause you to reflect on this…the DC were part of every English speaking Bible for over 100 years…the King James 1611 had them…and I will provide you the link…when you search to find out who removed them…you will be surprised and should change your view…
 
High,

The deuterocanonicals were removed. It matter not what Jerome says, what Luther said, what you believe…they were removed.
coptic,

That is your opinion. From my studies, it was never in til Treant.

Frankly I dont see it as a big deal. Those books are not impressive to me from a religious point of view but I have no problem with them being in the bible or not. They are OT anyway and they are plainly not of the quality of say Psalms or Proverbs or the Prophets.
I see no real loss, but I have no problem if they are in scripture. Peace, JohnR
 
Scripture is the inspired word of God, not all of it are his words friend. Inspired word ( God inspired the author to write it) and plus, the historians have proven alot of Jewish belifes about a lot of things to be myths friend… Don’t you watch the history channel?
Peter,

Are you being sarcastic when you say “friend.”? I hope not. At least you agree with me that scripture is Gods Word. Peace, Not much else is Gods Word. Right?
JohnR
 
Is the bible infallible?

Is the book of contents in your bible infallible? give that you agree to add and remove books from it without any problem?

Your argument does not follows from all you have agreed you believe… To me it doesn’t make sense how you can believe in all I mention, and still believe in sola scriptura. It is like saying you like cold and warm water at the same time.
 
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