Is Protestantism , in it's nature, a heresy?

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highrigger1 said:
pat,

We are all the church. Our church has existed since Christ. But of course there was no specific denomination as we see them today. The RCC took time to develop. I realize your church is older than mine but I dont think older has to be better. There were many varieties of christianity from the beginning. .Peace, JohnR
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High,

You cannot expect me or any or anyone else to accept your logic or thinking when you do this…

Our Church has existed since the time of Christ…show me the lineage. Automobiles did not fall out of the sky…there was the first and then the second etc…

There was no specific denomination. That word did not exist until the 15th century.

There are many varieties of Christianity from the beginning. OK…the Samaritans and can be traced back…the Nestorians of old are the Chaldean Christians of today…The Oriental Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox, and Roman Catholic are varieties…where do you ascribe our lineage to be…do you not recall the Bible explaining he begat this, begat that, etc…from whence did you come?
 
Patavium said:
[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 18:16-19[/BIBLEDRB]

[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 16:16-20[/BIBLEDRB]
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pat,

Yes I agree we should involve the church in our issues. It does not say that other christians order us what to do however. We must determine what is best for ourself and our family.

I also agree that Peter was a great shepherd of the church and a foundation of the church as were the other apostles. Our leaders should make him their model.

Peace, JohnR
 
highrigger1 said:
pat,

No problem.Sometimes I get snarky and have to catch myself.

I see no reason to discard sola scriptura which siimply means that scripture alone contains what we need to know to achieve salvation and we should judge theories by it. Why should I discard that viewpoint?. It seems to me that Irenaeus agrees with me.

Yes the church (us) is the pillar of truth beause the gospel message is the truth and we have the authority to teach it, but I dont think people should start adding dogma that is not taught by the apostles.That sounds dangerous to me. It does not say that we have the right to deviate from the apostels and tell others what to believe. Where does it say that?

Peace, JohnR
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High,

It has been proven on another thread that the Bible cannot proven to be “true” based on the Bible alone…so first you have to establish that the Bible is the Bible. How do you do that…

then to continue in a path that does not deviate from the Apostles…how do you do that?
 
PeterJohn said:
Scripture is the inspired word of God. It was also writen for and by people that lived about 2000 years ago and now every Tom Rick and Harry can pick it up and think smashing babies againsts rocks is “biblical” that’s what Sola Scriptura does. Oh and not just that, it also allows Christ church (us) to be deeply divided. Sola Scriptura fertilized the 20,000+ denominations of pastors, who disagree with ine another and claim to have the “Holy Spirit” guiding them towards the correct bible interpritation.
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You may want to visit the thread “why Johnny can’t read scripture”

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=668501

Sola Scriptura Can non lego Can non agnosco
 
It is not a heresy to question. It is a heresy to teach false things. It is heresy to Invent preconceived ideas about how God should do things and teach them.
 
highrigger1 said:
pat,

Yes I agree we should involve the church in our issues. It does not say they tell us what to however. We must determine what is best for ourself and our family.

I also agree that Peter was a great shepherd of the church and a foudation of the church as were the other apostles. Our leaders should make him their model.

Peace, JohnR
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So binding and loose is what ? just decoration. Read it.
 
PeterJohn said:
It is not a heresy to question. It is a heresy to teach false things. It is heresy to Invent preconceived ideas about how God should do things and teach them.
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Peter,

Do you think I am a heretic? Peace, JohnR
 
highrigger1 said:
Peter,

Are you being sarcastic when you say “friend.”? I hope not. At least you agree with me that scripture is Gods Word. Peace, Not much else is Gods Word. Right?
JohnR
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Again
I must clarify, the bible, is grouping of writings/songs/poems who God inspired its authors to make. God dictated the 10 commandments, not the bible. The bible is simply a bunch of writings inspired by God.
 
Patavium said:
Is the bible infallible?

Is the book of contents in your bible infallible? give that you agree to add and remove books from it without any problem?

Your argument does not follows from all you have agreed you believe… To me it doesn’t make sense how you can believe in all I mention, and still believe in sola scriptura. It is like saying you like cold and warm water at the same time.
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pat,

The bible should not be claimed to have no errors in it BUT it infallibly leads us to the Gospel message and it contains the Word of God.

I cannot get what you are talking about. I think I am consistent. Peace, JohnR
 
highrigger1 said:
Peter,

Do you think I am a heretic? Peace, JohnR
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You, amongst all your talking and quoting, are an enigma. I still cannot discern what it is exactly that you believe. So if your not sure, and if my hunch is right, and your searching for something, and that’s why your here on CA looking desperately for someone to show you the light, and not just to argue, then no. You are not a heresy my friend. :yawn:
 
highrigger1 said:
pat,

The bible should not be claimed to have no errors in it BUT it infallibly leads us to the Gospel message and it contains the Word of God.

I cannot get what you are talking about. I think I am consistent. Peace, JohnR
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How come you be consistent? You said you can add and remove books, and are ok by it.

I am not sure, I understand what you believe. It just doesn’t make sense to me. You acknowledge the authority of the Church, but you say that it must be sola scriptura. Then Who explains the teachings? 20000000 different pastors that disagree with themselves?
 
PeterJohn said:
You, amongst all your talking and quoting, are an enigma. I still cannot discern what it is exactly that you believe. So if your not sure, and if my hunch is right, and your searching for something, and that’s why your here on CA looking desperately for someone to show you the light, and not just to argue, then no. You are not a heresy my friend. :yawn:
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Peter,

My intent is entirely ecumenical. Not to search for something and not desperate.
Peace, JohnR
 
Patavium said:
How come you be consistent? You said you can add and remove books, and are ok by it.

I am not sure, I understand what you believe. It just doesn’t make sense to me. You acknowledge the authority of the Church, but you say that it must be sola scriptura. Then Who explains the teachings? 20000000 different pastors that disagree with themselves?
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Our pastors preach and we read the bible. With that we make up our own mind.
I find they are remarkedly consistent. Differences are minor.

Yes all teaching and preaching must be constent with the apostles who are found in scripture. Peace, JohnR
 
PeterJohn said:
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I must clarify, the bible, is grouping of writings/songs/poems who God inspired its authors to make. God dictated the 10 commandments, not the bible. The bible is simply a bunch of writings inspired by God.
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peter,

You deny that scripture is the Word of God which is stated at every Mass?

Peace, JohnR
 
CopticChristian said:
High,

It has been proven on another thread that the Bible cannot proven to be “true” based on the Bible alone…so first you have to establish that the Bible is the Bible. How do you do that…

then to continue in a path that does not deviate from the Apostles…how do you do that?
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coptic,

The same way the early churches decided on that. The Rule Of Faith. Your read it and decide same as they did. I think they did a great job. What is there to argue about?

Peace, JohnR
 
highrigger1 said:
Our pastors preach and we read the bible. With that we make up our own mind.
I find they are remarkedly consistent. Differences are minor.

Yes all teaching and preaching must be constent with the apostles who are found in scripture. Peace, JohnR
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Are you in the UMC?
 
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