Is Purgatory New?

[GaryTaylor]

If there was no Purgatory

I don’t know that this is the focus from the on-set. The Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox both historically and by deposit of faith believe in the particular and final judgement. To understand this is to understand the reality of purification and the intermediate journey of cleansing. This leads to semantics and perhaps a good deal through culture in definition. Its not uncommon for example in the West to have a spiritual conversation and hear someone say; “I am in a good place”. in reference to a spiritual state of being.

Anyway all this leads to the further conversation of mainline protestant to fringe protestant and continuity of belief from baptism to judgement.

 

[Yago]

It depends on how you define place

, I refer, here, to place as a physical place. My room is a place.

being that it is not a construct doesn’t mean its not a place.

Construct=an idea or theory containing various conceptual elements, typically one considered to be subjective and not based on empirical evidence.

Actually, I did not know the meaning of construct(noun) till now and I thought it meant invention.

 

[AprilFoolish]

purgatory is not a place. but it is not a construct, it is a reality. it is something that exists.

No. I remember explaining to my nephews, when their mother (my sister) died, and some Catholic family members ‘insisted’ that she was going to hell or purgatory, that it is nothing more than a Catholic belief. They found the behavior distressing. (it was at the funeral)

At best Catholics can say it is something that ‘exists’ to them. But it is fantasy and delusion. And should be ‘adults only’ conversation. Children can find these ideas upsetting.

 

[thistle]

Please read the teaching of the Church whose founder warned against misleading children posted numerous times here. It is a state, not a place.

The Church does NOT say anywhere that it is not a place. If I am wrong then please show me the relevant Church document.

 

[Yago]

The Church does NOT say anywhere that it is not a place. If I am wrong then please show me the relevant Church document.

Books used for catechising children is an official document, especially for a religion whose founder said that it is better to be drowned with a heavy rock tied to you rather than mislead children.

 

[GaryTaylor]

, I refer, here, to place as a physical place. My room is a place. .

I know, but a place can be a verb which is a state of recognition so we agree its both? You know, like there is much emphasis placed on Catholic teaching at CAF.

 

[Yago]

I know, but a place can be a verb which is a state of recognition so we agree its both? You know, like there is much emphasis placed on Catholic teaching at CAF.

Place can be a verb, but purgatory is a noun. Catholic teaching is that purgatory is a state(abstract noun) and not a physical place.

what do you mean by “we can agree its both”?

 

[GaryTaylor]

Place can be a verb, but purgatory is a noun. Catholic teaching is that purgatory is a state(abstract noun) and not a physical place.

what do you mean by “we can agree its both”?

No the teaching is exactly as stated “both”.

Purgare is a verb in Latin. Purgatory as stated can be either in Latin and also an adjective. And the teaching is either.

The Church defines as purification.

And you can see here…

Purgatory (Lat., “purgare”, to make clean, to purify) in accordance with Catholic teaching is a place or condition of temporal punishment for those who, departing this life in God’s grace, are, not entirely free from venial faults, or have not fully paid the satisfaction due to their transgressions.

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[Yago]

No the teaching is exactly as stated “both”.

Purgare is a verb in Latin. Purgatory as stated can be either in Latin and also an adjective. And the teaching is either.

The Church defines as purification.

And you can see here…

google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newadvent.org%2Fcathen%2F12575a.htm&ei=z-48VOmkLemV8gH7_oHYDg&usg=AFQjCNEdLQYBoZwZ9mGsFKImDNKFGT4mpQ&sig2=-uPwWZZCEjHFtcuaSelM5w

Then my catechism textbook disagrees with that…

 

[GaryTaylor]

Then my catechism textbook disagrees with that…

Let me understand this, your position is definitely that purgatory is specifically a place? But, you can also take your purgatory here on earth. Basically what happens with the Saints.