Is Rosary a requirement

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The Rosary is NOT a required devotion. It is a beautiful prayer and it is said by many people devoted to the Rosary. There are however some that may have great devotion to our Blessed Mother and not pray the Rosary on a regular basis. Those who do not pray the Rosary are not necessarily in a dry period.
 
Regardless, of what is “essential”, we are obligated to support the requests of the representative of Peter who may call on us to divert, add to, or start a special devotion, so that it could join with the pleas of others in their’s. We are still fraternity although we are individuated through our unique devotions. Such a request may come in the case of war, abortions,or in times of peril. One such year as just recently passed, the Year of Mercy, where we were encouraged by the Pope to recite the Devine Mercy Chaplet. .

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  1. This grace, as We have had occasion to write (Cf. Letter to Cardinal E. Pacelli, Osservatore Romano, September 5, 1937), We attribute to the special intercession of the virgin of Lisieux, St. Therese of the Child Jesus. But We know, though, that everything comes to us from Almighty God through the hands of Our Lady.
 
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StarMapp said:
Regardless, of what is “essential”, we are obligated to support the requests of the representative of Peter who may call on us to divert, add to, or start a special devotion, so that it could join with the pleas of others in their’s. We are still fraternity although we are individuated through our unique devotions. Such a request may come in the case of war, abortions,or in times of peril. One such year as just recently passed, the Year of Mercy, where we were encouraged by the Pope to recite the Devine Mercy Chaplet. .

INGRAVESCENTIBUS MALIS
  1. This grace, as We have had occasion to write (Cf. Letter to Cardinal E. Pacelli, Osservatore Romano, September 5, 1937), We attribute to the special intercession of the virgin of Lisieux, St. Therese of the Child Jesus. But We know, though, that everything comes to us from Almighty God through the hands of Our Lady.
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No, we are not “obligated” to follow the Pope’s requests because then they wouldn’t be a request, they’d be a requirement.
 
Has it been confirmed that Fatima is a private revelation? What I mean is, if Our Lady of Fatima is indeed “the Woman clothed in the Sun” of the Apocalypse than wouldn’t that make it part of the Deposit of Faith? It would require official confirmation that she is before one could be “blamed” for not believing it, but if she actually was the Woman spoken of in the Bible then it was never a private revelation.
 
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Has it been confirmed that Fatima is a private revelation? What I mean is, if Our Lady of Fatima is indeed “the Woman clothed in the Sun” of the Apocalypse than wouldn’t that make it part of the Deposit of Faith? It would require official confirmation that she is before one could be “blamed” for not believing it, but if she actually was the Woman spoken of in the Bible then it was never a private revelation.
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In a document of 1907 Pope St. Pius X reiterated the rules of Benedict XIV as they had also been renewed in statements from the Congregation of Rites in 1875 and 1877 with respect to Lourdes and LaSalette. Pius X said: "such apparitions or revelations have neither been approved nor condemned by the Apostolic See, but it has been permitted piously to believe them merely with human faith, with due regard to the tradition they bear.

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Library : Must Catholics Believe in Fatima?

Must Catholics Believe in Fatima? Rev. Eamon Carroll, a strong believer in the apparitions at Fatima, explains the teaching of the Church on belief in private revelations.
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“Throughout the ages, there have been so-called ‘private’ revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.”

Catechism of the Catholic Church, #67
 
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Pope Benedict XVI spoke specifically about Fatima and confirmed that it is private revelation
 
That didn’t really answer my question lol

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Didn’t he also connect it to the Woman clothed in the Sun?
 
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That didn’t really answer my question lol

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Didn’t he also connect it to the Woman clothed in the Sun?
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Well, it kinda did. The Vatican has declared it is private. It has reiterated it is private.

If theological scholars determined that there was a connection, I’m sure the Vatican would update their proclamation. It would be in the best interest of the faithful to know if we are beholden to believe. Given Benedict XIV confirmed that this was private as late as 2013, we can reasonably assume nothing has changed.

In the scope of history we know that Benedict did not shy away from hard decisions, and he very much loved Our Lady. Pope Francis is known for his devotion to the Rosary, as was JPII. Both made very stern recommendations. If of these men nothing could be furthered, then it is pretty clear there is nothing further to proclaim.
 
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Just a clarification.

Private revelation, Radio Replies Q320(Fr’s. Rumble,Carty, late Msgr F. Sheen)

“… God permits a soul only occasionally to communicate momentarily a warning,
or a request for prayers, but nothing fantastical. Likewise, the messages are spontaneous and not due to curious efforts of people seeking the truth from the dead. The Church tests the message received, or claimed as received, in order to discern whether good or evil spirits are responsible for the communication. 1/ the message must in no way conflict with Catholic teaching or moral principles. Gal I.,9 2/ The person who claims to have received such a communication must be characterized by sound common sense, and even be undesirous of such occurrances. 3/ The effects of the message must be good, the recipient being moved to a holier life, and to nothing indecent,shameful, or contrary to Christian standards.”

We can read from this quote that the Church is not a non-chalant bystander leaving
the person to his experience and potential erroneous conclusion, but works along with him in his discernment. If then “God permits…” he would have an interest in the success of the endevour.
 
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He communicates from the heart, in that sense he asks all his faithful to work with him as fraternal members, not as a commanding general. We are collaborators in God’s plan, and therefore we all strive to make a contribution. As one matures in Faith, he begins to recognize less of a command structure, but a family unit joined by common faith. Sorry I wasn’t clear on that.
 
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The Rosary is NOT a required devotion. It is a beautiful prayer and it is said by many people devoted to the Rosary. There are however some that may have great devotion to our Blessed Mother and not pray the Rosary on a regular basis. Those who do not pray the Rosary are not necessarily in a dry period.

It took me a second there to see you were talking about me.Ha! So OK, less see:
1/I never set it was 2/agree 3/sure 4/I understood the poster was having difficulties starting or in the Rosary as he states he says it at mass. It is true that some people who recite the Rosary may experience a dry period as I did. So it may be a bit of useful information he could use if he should receive symptoms.

Does that clarify things a bit?.
 
It’s mention at mass by the priest seems to me that it would be categorized Sententia Fidei Proxima - A teaching proximate to Faith is a doctrine, which is regarded by theologians generally as a truth of Revelation, but which has not yet been finally promulgated as such by the Church.(The Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, Ludwig Ott)
 
Good grief, if ever an apparition was validated by multiple Popes, it’s Fatima. Pope John Paul II even put the bullet from his assassination attempt in the crown of the statue of Our Lady because he believed that assassination was the third prophecy and she saved him. Two of the visionaries are canonized saints as well.
 
First of all, it is contemplative prayer - an ancient type that pre-dates protestantism/bible Christianity by many centuries. It is a very profound, multi-layered prayer in which the Holy Spirit will reveal insights to you as you contemplate. It brings peace to your spirit, but far better, you can offer it for any intention that you believe is in accord with God’s will. Amazing things can and will happen.

It is not a magic prayer - the “Hail, Mary” prayers are certainly a prayer by themselves, but they are also background music, if you will, setting a cadence to accompany your contemplation. Should you ever begin to pray the Rosary, visual stimulation or (name removed by moderator)ut to accompany your prayer and meditation may help assist you.

Consider reading the appropriate sections from the Gospels that accompany each mystery as you pray. You will notice things in those passages that you never saw before. Even the most familiar passages will take on a new, more profound meaning. There are YouTube videos and websites on the web which offer collections of sacred art pertaining to each mystery. You can contemplate what is being depicted by the artist as you pray.

Under Her Starry Mantle is one such site. Scroll down the home page and click on the art collections along the right border - they will open to larger, even full screen images. Come Pray the Rosary is another site in which you can watch video of the holy land as you contemplate.

It is NOT NOT NOT “vain” repetition. There is nothing vain about contemplating the life of Christ! Vain means empty. Contemplating the life of Christ can never be empty. It fills you! It has eternal meaning and provides eternal benefit. It is not a requirement, but will become one once you pray it.

A warning: You will become addicted to it, as it draws you into a more intimate relationship with Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and your mother in heaven.
- From someone who did not pray a Rosary for years after becoming Catholic.
 
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As a protestant who is soon starting a RCIA course I don’t have a problem saying the Hail Mary at mass or gatherings but I rarely say the Rosary at home personally. Is there a requirement to say it. Would it be ok to say Blessed Mother Mary, how are you today and talk to her personally in a conversation as a person.

Being from a Pentecostal and Charusmatic Catholic background we never say set prayers as we want to be specific and if we don’t know what to pray, we pray in tongues. If I don’t know what to say to Mary, and Mary is the spouse of the Holy Spirit, surely I can pray in tongues for Mary intercession.
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I finished the RCIA program ( I was in the Salvation Army before) about 2 months ago and got confirmed a month ago, it was the Rosary and mysteries of Jesus that brought me home to the one true faith, I absolutely love the rosary and would encourage everyone to pray the rosary.
 
For anyone wishing to check status of particular apparitions as to whether they have been approved by the local Bishop or by the Vatican, The Miracle Hunter website, www.miraclehunter.com , is a good resource.

Note that in some cases, the original apparition is approved but the visionaries later claim additional revelations that are not.

Note also that there are several Vatican-approved apparitions that those of us outside the geographical area do not hear much about. Fatima and Lourdes are the two big ones that everyone worldwide hears about. Beauraing and Kibeho, not so much.
 
That is a manipulative answer. Not going to Mass, and not going to Reconciliation when necessary may be likened to jumping out of an airplane without a parachute. The Rosary is the best known and most widely practiced private devotion. And that is what it is. Nothing more.
 
The deposit of faith ended with the last Apostle. See paragraphs 65-67 in the Catholic Catechism.
 
If you have been gifted with praying in tongues, by all means, continue to do so.

Something that might be of interest to you is the other official liturgy of the Church; the Liturgy of the Hours. As it is primarily Psalms and Old Testament readings, you might find it of interest. The simplest way of starting with that is to pick up a copy of The Magnificat, a small booklet published monthly (your parish may have copies). If not, you can explore it on line; it comes in a four week cycle. As a lay person, you are not required to say it but are invited to do so as often and as much as your daily life allows. It is my favorite.

The introduction of the LOTH to the laity was a gift of Vatican 2.
 
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