Is secularism sinister?

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The trend is that religion loses ground on its own, there is no need to hasten the process, which may very well backfire. We can safely let religion die its natural death, which will not happen in the foreseeable future,
Once people in the US and Europe realize that media entertainment is the modus operandi that has weakened people into an addiction for the shallow amusements of love-less lust and drugs that don’t last, people will start to crave the depth of True Love and peace once again, and open their eyes once again. Unfortunatley, some people will need to hit rock bottom first in order to see it.
 
The story is hilarious! Of course the people who want “special” treatment for themselves go by the adage in Animal Farm: “all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others!”.
Well, you could shout it at Jefferson’s grave, but I don’t think he’ll hear you.
 
I think you’ve been watching too much TV.
Actually, I do not watch TV at all… !
Atheists have taken a leap of faith, hope, belief that God does not exist, yet, they have zero scientific proof to justify their own beliefs that He does not exist.
You are so very right! We have absolutely no “scientific evidence” that God does not exist. We have absolutely no “scientific evidence” that the Loch Ness monster does not exist. We have absolutely no “scientific evidence” that Russell’s teapot does not exist. None at all! Amazing… so from that it surely follows (by your “reasoning”) that we should believe the existence of all these beings… surely you believe in all of them, since you have no “scientific ecidence” of the nonexistence of these “beings”. Or maybe… just maybe you do not believe in their existence???

If there would be a winner of unsound, laughable and stupid “reasoning”, then your kind would be an uncontested winner. Except you do the same as we do. If there is no evidence for the existence of the Loch Ness monster, or Little Green Men, or Russell’s teapot, or the Invisible Green Unicorn you do not believe in their existence. So, please look into the mirror and see the beam in your eye, before you accuse us of not seeing the mote in our eye. Sheeesh!
 
Humanity evolved from anarchy to Catholicism. We were doing just fine until TV was invented and the profiteers realized they could profit from our deconstruction back into weaklings who lust for basic instinctual pleasure via all the sex-for-sport, drugs, etc. We have given in to basic instincts for so long that we are too spoiled and comfortable to want to give it up. The Regressives (progressives) actually have the nerve to call this progress, when it is a regression into childish simpletonism. Either, they have been inbred for so long that they refuse to see it, or they believe that a Reduced people who are addicted to childish pleasure are easier to control. We have gone from fortitude and resourcefulness to an addiction for entertainment and brain pleasurism. It the exact OPPOSITE of progress, but they conveniently own the microphones, so they can LABEL their propaganda whatever they want to the masses and many people will fall for the CON. Many people will still believe them thanks to heaping the “you’re open-minded if you agree with us” propaganda. 🤷

Catholicism already has the Social Contract between man and woman, the Rules for Living. No need to become devolved, deconstructed, or tempted away from them. We need to be MORE like them. If media entertainment is the obstacle, then…
Whenever I hear vile ravings like this, I realize exactly what Dawkins is fighting against.

Fortunately, there are many of us spoiled weaklings who will fight tooth and claw against the joyless, pointless, miserable half existence that you and your ilk would force upon us in the new Dark Age.

Never will I submit to abstaining from living this the life, the only life, to the full. Not for the maniacal ravings of a superstitious halfwit, not for anything.

Essentially, what you want to do is force an insidious, soul destroying Chrisitian version of Sharia Law on us and you’re right about one thing. If it really came to it, I should not hesitate to destroy the people who would take us back… to that. Without the slightest compunction.

Women’s rights stripped away, people forced to worship against their will, to abstain from every life affirming aspect of human existence? No pleasure, no joy, no sex?

Not I. Not ever.
 
*Will there eventually be an “Unholy Inquisition” in Western democracies which imprisons believers in the name of freedom? *

Only if the Christians let them do it. If they do let them do it, I have no doubt there will be something worse than Inquisition. Think Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. They didn’t bother with trials.
 
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You are so very right! We have absolutely no “scientific evidence” that God does not exist. We have absolutely no “scientific evidence” that the Loch Ness monster does not exist. We have absolutely no “scientific evidence” that Russell’s teapot does not exist. None at all! Amazing… so from that it surely follows (by your “reasoning”) that we should believe the existence of all these beings… surely you believe in all of them, since you have no “scientific ecidence” of the nonexistence of these “beings”. Or maybe… just maybe you do not believe in their existence???

Lack of evidence does not mean lack of credibility. Democritus theorized about atoms, and Aristotle complained, “I can’t see them.” Well, that was Democritus’ definition of an atom … something so small we cannot see it. Democritus was right without empirical evidence. Aristotle was thinking inside the box … like you. 😃
 
*Will there eventually be an “Unholy Inquisition” in Western democracies which imprisons believers in the name of freedom? *

Only if the Christians let them do it. If they do let them do it, I have no doubt there will be something worse than Inquisition. Think Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. They didn’t bother with trials.
Hitler was a Roman Catholic, as was HIlter’s Pope. The current pope was a member of the Hitler youth.

People in glass houses…
 
Actually, I do not watch TV at all… !

You are so very right! We have absolutely no “scientific evidence” that God does not exist. We have absolutely no “scientific evidence” that the Loch Ness monster does not exist. We have absolutely no “scientific evidence” that Russell’s teapot does not exist. None at all! Amazing… so from that it surely follows (by your “reasoning”) that we should believe the existence of all these beings… surely you believe in all of them, since you have no “scientific ecidence” of the nonexistence of these “beings”. Or maybe… just maybe you do not believe in their existence???

If there would be a winner of unsound, laughable and stupid “reasoning”, then your kind would be an uncontested winner. Except you do the same as we do. If there is no evidence for the existence of the Loch Ness monster, or Little Green Men, or Russell’s teapot, or the Invisible Green Unicorn you do not believe in their existence. So, please look into the mirror and see the beam in your eye, before you accuse us of not seeing the mote in our eye. Sheeesh!
Right, So when you mock US for having no proof to justify beliefs, you call it logic. When I mock you for having no proof to justify your beliefs, that’s somehow perfectly reasonable. :nope:
 
Whenever I hear vile ravings like this, I realize exactly what Dawkins is fighting against.

Fortunately, there are many of us spoiled weaklings who will fight tooth and claw against the joyless, pointless, miserable half existence that you and your ilk would force upon us in the new Dark Age.

Never will I submit to abstaining from living this the life, the only life, to the full. Not for the maniacal ravings of a superstitious halfwit, not for anything.

Essentially, what you want to do is force an insidious, soul destroying Chrisitian version of Sharia Law on us and you’re right about one thing. If it really came to it, I should not hesitate to destroy the people who would take us back… to that. Without the slightest compunction.

Women’s rights stripped away, people forced to worship against their will, to abstain from every life affirming aspect of human existence? No pleasure, no joy, no sex?

Not I. Not ever.
Well, you obviously have no clue.
 
Well, you obviously have no clue.
Yes, obviously.

Tell me, what do you plan to do exactly with all the people like me who don’t have a clue? Force? Coersion? Or are you going to just let us keep our hedonistic ways and our digital television stations?
 
The virulence of the secularists’ replies confirms their intolerance. It is easy to imagine what would happen if they were in power…
 
The virulence of the secularists’ replies confirms their intolerance. It is easy to imagine what would happen if they were in power…
Hi Pot. Kettle here. When intolerant people tell me I have no right to deviate from what they, in their infinite wisdom, consider the only proper way to live, you’re damn right I treat it with zero tolerance.

What nausea inducing hypocrisy, to talk of instigating a Christian varient of Sharia Law and accuse others of being intolerant. You are everything I detest, you and ManOnFire.
 
Moonstruck

*Hitler was a Roman Catholic, as was HIlter’s Pope. *

Hitler was born a Catholic. He did not remain one. He admired the atheist Nietzsche a whole lot more than PiusXII.

*The current pope was a member of the Hitler youth. *

Almost all German youth were enlisted, including the children of atheists. These youth had no idea what Hitler would eventually be exposed as having done.

Were Stalin and Mao also Catholics? Were they even religious?

Hitler

“The religions are all alike, no matter what they call themselves. They have no future – certainly none for the Germans. Fascism, if it likes, may come to terms with the Church. So shall I. Why not? That will not prevent me from tearing up Christianity root and branch and annihilating it in Germany.”

Stalin

“We guarantee the right of every citizen to combat by argument, propaganda, and agitation all religion. The Communist Party cannot be neutral toward religion. It stands for science, and all religion is opposed to science.”

Mao
“Religion is poison.”

That’s what the world will be like with strictly secular governments.

Do you know any history?
 
The virulence of the secularists’ replies confirms their intolerance. It is easy to imagine what would happen if they were in power…
Not really. They would send in hostile witnesses to proclaim your guilt, even without a shred of proof. We are not the miscreants Hollywood likes to portray Christians as. They are. (At least one of them is.) :hmmm:

God bless,
jd
 
Do you know any history?
Yes, plenty… For example, I know this little chestnut, you blithering ignoramous:

“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.”
  • Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941
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ooops.

Someone forgot to excommunicate him, didn’t they?

Hitler died a Catholic.
 
Hitler was born a Catholic. He did not remain one. He admired the atheist Nietzsche a whole lot more than PiusXII.
Once a person is baptised a Catholic he is a Catholic. Hitler was not a practicing Catholic; nor one in good standing; but he was a Catholic. The Catholic Church count’s Judas among the disciples; and it counts all the lost sheep as members of the Church. Even excommunication does not remove a person from the Church. (and as far as I know; he was not excommunicated).
Someone forgot to excommunicate him, didn’t they?
You cannot remove someone from the Catholic Church. Baptism, like Ordination - leaves an indellible mark upon the Character of man. Excommunication does not remove them from the Church.

Nor Can excommunication be conferred as a punishment; that is an abuse.
 
We were doing just fine until TV was invented and the profiteers realized they could profit from our deconstruction back into weaklings who lust for basic instinctual pleasure via all the sex-for-sport, drugs, etc.
So TV is the root of all evil? That’s a new one. Do you advocate a governmental ban?
 
Then why do they do it?
Excommunication is recognised in an individual (most of the time it is automatic) to encourage that individual to repent; and to encourage people not to follow that person in their crimes.

There are countless villains who are not declared excommunicated by the Church; however I would highly suspect that no official excommunication of hitler occurred out of fear. The Pope is not immune from fear; even St. Peter denied Christ three times on the night he was betrayed.
 
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