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ManOnFire
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Now youâre being paranoid. Do what you want. Just donât attempt to attract young people by reducing them into simpletons who crave brain pleasurism via love-less sex and drugs. Sex and drug addiction is dehumanizing. Thereâs a damned good reason why mom and dad warned against it.
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JDaniel
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JD:
Moonstruck is aware of all this. Heâs being argumentative for no good reason.
God bless,
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ManOnFire
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Yes, they sound like Hitler.
some Religious: âInfinity has no hope for a final cosmological solution and weâll never prove that God doesnât exist, so why would I want to be reduced to the perpetual pursuit of shallow amusements that donât last?â
some Secularists: âBecause Iâm addicted to brain pleasurism and I said so.â
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Charlemagne_II
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What Martin Niemöller said, a Lutheran pastor in Germany who spent several years in one of Hitlerâs concentration camps, appears in the Congressional Record, 14, October 1968, page 31636, as:
When Hitler attacked the Jews I was not a Jew, therefore I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the Catholics, I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the unions and the industrialists, I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned. Then Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church â and there was nobody left to be concerned.
If Hitler viewed himself as a Catholic in good standing with the Church (your view based on a lie by Hitler, who hardly ever told the truth), why does this Protestant pastor who suffered under Hitler document, for the Congressional record, that Hitler attacked the Catholics?
Why would a Catholic attack Catholics? Why would a Catholic pay homage to a famous German atheist ⊠Nietzsche? Why would a Catholic shut down Catholic publications, send priests and nuns to their deaths in the gas chamber, and even plan the kidnapping of Pope Pius XII?
Why would a Catholic say that he planned to destroy Christianity?
Here comes your revisionist history.
When Hitler attacked the Jews I was not a Jew, therefore I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the Catholics, I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the unions and the industrialists, I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned. Then Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church â and there was nobody left to be concerned.
If Hitler viewed himself as a Catholic in good standing with the Church (your view based on a lie by Hitler, who hardly ever told the truth), why does this Protestant pastor who suffered under Hitler document, for the Congressional record, that Hitler attacked the Catholics?
Why would a Catholic attack Catholics? Why would a Catholic pay homage to a famous German atheist ⊠Nietzsche? Why would a Catholic shut down Catholic publications, send priests and nuns to their deaths in the gas chamber, and even plan the kidnapping of Pope Pius XII?
Why would a Catholic say that he planned to destroy Christianity?
Here comes your revisionist history.
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reggieM
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The Persecution of the Catholic Church in the Third Reich
Dramatic proof of their (and the German Churchâs) resistance, and of Hitlerâs merciless persecution of Catholics, was compiled in this volume in 1941
When it comes to spreading lies, Joseph Goebbels had little on todayâs anti-Catholics. In just the past few years, half a dozen books, all from major publishers, have claimed that the wartime popes, Vatican officials, and the German hierarchy were all âsilentâ about, even complicit in, the crimes of Nazism. But this astonishing book, published in 1941, at the height of Nazi tyranny, proves beyond doubt that the Church condemned Hitler and his ideology loudly, repeatedly, and from the very beginning of his rise to power. So he tormented, repressed, or killed as many as he could.
Dramatic proof of their (and the German Churchâs) resistance, and of Hitlerâs merciless persecution of Catholics, was compiled in this volume in 1941
When it comes to spreading lies, Joseph Goebbels had little on todayâs anti-Catholics. In just the past few years, half a dozen books, all from major publishers, have claimed that the wartime popes, Vatican officials, and the German hierarchy were all âsilentâ about, even complicit in, the crimes of Nazism. But this astonishing book, published in 1941, at the height of Nazi tyranny, proves beyond doubt that the Church condemned Hitler and his ideology loudly, repeatedly, and from the very beginning of his rise to power. So he tormented, repressed, or killed as many as he could.
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Charlemagne_II
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reggie
This is the book you will never see mentioned on atheist websites, where atheists learn their history of the Catholic Church.
This is the book you will never see mentioned on atheist websites, where atheists learn their history of the Catholic Church.
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JDaniel
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Oh, well, we canât mention this to them!reggie
This is the book you will never see mentioned on atheist websites, where atheists learn their history of the Catholic Church.
God bless,
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reggieM
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Perhaps theyâre reading Jack Chick comic books to learn about the Catholic Faith. 
It seems like we have these discussions 100 times over and knowledge of Catholicism does not increase.
It does require a more receptive attitude and a willingness to have an open mind and read Catholic material in the spirit and intention for which it was written.
It seems like we have these discussions 100 times over and knowledge of Catholicism does not increase.
It does require a more receptive attitude and a willingness to have an open mind and read Catholic material in the spirit and intention for which it was written.
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ManOnFire
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Entertainment feels good. The Churchâs Rules are difficult at first, but ultimately worthwhile, like earning an education. The atheist hedonist movementâs modus operandi is to use Media entertainment to lure the kids away from the Church by peddling basic instinctual lust, drugs, etc.
Which is Natural for the immature to choose: feel good (entertainment) or feel bad (school, religion)???
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Charlemagne_II
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John 15:18
âIf the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.â
So if the world hates Catholics, it is because we share the suffering of Christ.
What the world did to Christ, it will do to us if it ever gets the chance.
Vote in November.
âIf the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.â
So if the world hates Catholics, it is because we share the suffering of Christ.
What the world did to Christ, it will do to us if it ever gets the chance.
Vote in November.
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Seeker2010
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Of course it does, otherwise it wouldnât be entertainment. But you didnât answer my question. Do you advocate a governmentally enforced ban on the existence of television? Itâs a simple question.
Interesting statement. Iâm not an atheist, but i am a hedonist, but I have no modus operandi except to add value to my customers in an effort to enhance my own bottom line, and to work hard and play hard. But I find the idea that entertainment is designed to lure kids away from man-made fairy tales is laughable.
Itâs an either/or decision? You canât have moderation of all things?
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ManOnFire
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Itâs hard to reason with a young child who is addicted to the whee and blissful glee of visual entertainment. You can claim the opposite all you want. Donât be shocked when standardized test scores plummet.
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R_Daneel
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Well, that is true, in general. Lack of evidence does not - in and by itself - make anything credible or incredible. The devil is in the details. So letâs get to the particulars. There is lack of evidence for Russellâs teapot. There is lack of evidence for the Loch Ness monster. There is lack of evidence for Little Green Men. Do you say that just because there is lack of evidence for these it not reasonable to disbelieve their existence? What do you use as a guiding line to separate the credible and the incredible claims, where there is one thing in common: âthe lack of evidenceâ? That is the cruical question here.Lack of evidence does not mean lack of credibility. Democritus theorized about atoms, and Aristotle complained, âI canât see them.â Well, that was Democritusâ definition of an atom ⊠something so small we cannot see it. Democritus was right without empirical evidence. Aristotle was thinking inside the box ⊠like you.
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R_Daneel
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I am pointing out that you do not believe something (actually many things) for which there is no evidence. You do the same thing as I do, and yet you want me to accept ONE particular claim without evidence. Do you see the problem now?
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R_Daneel
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Oh, brother.
Do you really believe that? If you ever get persecuted for your beliefs, you can count on me (and many others like me) to hurry to your side, and do our best to protect your freedom to worship according to your most cherished beliefs. I firmly believe that your freedom to worship is exactly as precious as my freedom not to worship, moreover, the two cannot be separated.But there is no danger of that in a civilized, secular Constitutional Republic - no matter what any idiot thinks in their paranoid fear of a âvast, left-wing conspiracyâ. I wonder, if I could count on you in a theoretical Catholic theocracy? Somehow I am not sure. But then again, God does not grant any ârightsâ to religious freedom. It is there in the Ten Commandments: âThou shalt love God, thy Lord with all your heart and soulâ - demanded, mandated and commanded.
Do you recall the story: âFirst, they came for the Jews, but I said nothing since I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists, but I kept silent, since I was not a Communist. Then they came for the Gypsys, but I said nothing, since I was not a Gypsy. When they finally came for me, there was no one left to speak for meâ. That is the lesson we all had better inscribe âunto our heartâ.
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Black_Angel_1
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Secularism is NOTHING like Communism, and Nazism. I noticed some people here mentioned Hitler. The book posted contradicts other documents such as Mein kampf which shows that Hitler was still a Catholic even during his time in power.
Note that Mein kampf was Hitlerâs autobiography.
Secularism is the separation of church and state. Look at places with Sharia Law for example. There is no secularism there. So you, as a Christian, most likely will be killed if you donât convert, and you have no freedom of speech. The only difference between Sharia Law (Islamic Law) and a Christianity Ruled nation is the religion of the law.
Secularism gives you your freedom of speech, religion and the rest of your freedoms that conflict with ideals from religions.
If this country was not secular, then all and any Christians could demonize and maybe even assault people they donât like that conflict with their ideology, for example, gays, jews, muslims, atheists etc.
Secularism simply makes Christians have equal freedoms to everyone else. My personal opinion as to why some Christians hate Secularism is that they arenât free to take away the freedoms of people they hate, under Secularism.
Separation of Church and State in the First Amendment, which forbids the government from respecting the establishment of a religion. Meaning, they cannot support one religion. They cannot prefer religion or non religion. They cannot interfere with the freedom of the person to choose to be religious or not religious, and of the religion of their choosing.
Note that Mein kampf was Hitlerâs autobiography.
Secularism is the separation of church and state. Look at places with Sharia Law for example. There is no secularism there. So you, as a Christian, most likely will be killed if you donât convert, and you have no freedom of speech. The only difference between Sharia Law (Islamic Law) and a Christianity Ruled nation is the religion of the law.
Secularism gives you your freedom of speech, religion and the rest of your freedoms that conflict with ideals from religions.
If this country was not secular, then all and any Christians could demonize and maybe even assault people they donât like that conflict with their ideology, for example, gays, jews, muslims, atheists etc.
Secularism simply makes Christians have equal freedoms to everyone else. My personal opinion as to why some Christians hate Secularism is that they arenât free to take away the freedoms of people they hate, under Secularism.
Separation of Church and State in the First Amendment, which forbids the government from respecting the establishment of a religion. Meaning, they cannot support one religion. They cannot prefer religion or non religion. They cannot interfere with the freedom of the person to choose to be religious or not religious, and of the religion of their choosing.
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tonyrey
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The devil is certainly in the details:
BRITISH Airways suspended a Christian woman from her work for wearing a tiny cross. She lost three monthsâ pay while suspended and an employment tribunal later ruled that she had not suffered religious discrimination!
A sign of things to come in the secular societyâŠ
BRITISH Airways suspended a Christian woman from her work for wearing a tiny cross. She lost three monthsâ pay while suspended and an employment tribunal later ruled that she had not suffered religious discrimination!
A sign of things to come in the secular societyâŠ
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Black_Angel_1
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You do know that in situations like this, you can take it up with the federal government IE: Lawsuit right?
Cite the article for this story? Because I have heard of these accusations of religious discrimination, but I always find that they were prosecuted for reasons that werenât discriminatory to their religion.
I prefer Secularism because I would not be silenced nor threatened when I say something the people of the governmentâs religion do not like. I prefer secularism, because many people like me receive death threats from Christians and Muslims alike, although usually Christians these days.
I fear that if secularism fell, the stoning to death of gays, adulterers, and disobedient children would become legal. Because never in the NT did Jesus remove the OT Laws, in fact he restated them.
Of course, never have I met a Christian who didnât try to deny the OT and NT laws, which gives me a sign of hope that they donât take these horrors literally. I guess this is where you guys say âthank god!â
P.S: Donât mean to be offensive, but Secularism is the reason why you have religious freedom. The only difference is that you cannot take the freedoms of other people away. Gays, jews, atheists, muslims and everybody else that will disagree with your beliefs have the same rights.
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inocente
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Would you explain the bit about inbreeding? For that matter the âReduced peopleâ?
One billion Catholics are powerless, and none ever once thought to grab a microphone? The only theories I can come up with are:
*]Catholics in the media are OK with how things are.
*]Catholics in the media arenât very good at getting the message across.
*]Catholics never work in the media as it is a grievous sin.
*]Thereâs a worldwide conspiracy to suppress Catholicism.
Iâm (genuinely) interested in this but couldnât find it by googling either Social Contract or Rules for Living. Are you capitalizing randomly in that Curious Style adopted by some Catholics, or are they documents I could read?
Whoâs committee decides? Yourâs or mine?
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