Is Shaking hands a "No No"?

[water]

I’ve been noticing that some people at the church I normally attend daily mass. They wear veil at mass, and around the “Our Father” prayer, they kneel down. When we all shake hand and say “Peace be with you”, they ignore this part and never look up to look at anybody.

Does this has something to do with some folks who like the Latin Mass?

Thanks!

 

[RMD]

They may be regular Latin Mass attenders , but that would be no reason not to join with the rest of the assembly at the Our Father or offering the sign of peace. But even in Latin Mass chapels ( which I’ve gone to most of my life ), it seems there are always a few individuals who insist on kneeling/sitting/standing at different times than everyone else

Peace be with you!

 

[puzzleannie]

I’ve been noticing that some people at the church I normally attend daily mass. They wear veil at mass, and around the “Our Father” prayer, they kneel down. When we all shake hand and say “Peace be with you”, they ignore this part and never look up to look at anybody.

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they probably consider this an addition to the Novus Ordo, which is not actually in the rite, so feel free to ignore this extraneous action. no reason to suspect any ulterior motive.

 

[Thursday1]

they probably consider this an addition to the Novus Ordo, which is not actually in the rite, so feel free to ignore this extraneous action. no reason to suspect any ulterior motive.

We can ignore the parts of the Mass we don’t like?

Yours in Christ,
Thursday

 

[otjm]

We can ignore the parts of the Mass we don’t like?

Yours in Christ,
Thursday

Some people feel that way.

Some of the people who do that (e.g. standing during the Eucharistic Prayer) are called liberals.

They get called that by people who call themselves conservatives, or traditionalists. But they do the same thing - they ignore what they choose; however, they try to cloak it in a pharisaic bit about how it is not in the rules, soe they are not bound to the parts they ignore.

Strange how they act like each other.

Then there are others who follow the rules, and follow the community; some of them are liberals. Some of them are conservatives or traditionalists; and many are just somewhere in the middle, trying to do what is right.

 

[Hijikata]

They may be regular Latin Mass attenders , but that would be no reason not to join with the rest of the assembly at the Our Father or offering the sign of peace. But even in Latin Mass chapels ( which I’ve gone to most of my life ), it seems there are always a few individuals who insist on kneeling/sitting/standing at different times than everyone else

Peace be with you!

I agree with the Shaking Hands part, even though it is not the highlight of the mass, I will still do it. But during the ‘Pater Noster’ I will not hold anyone hands, it is not in the rubrics and I have read that Rome discourages it.

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

We can ignore the parts of the Mass we don’t like?

Yours in Christ,
Thursday

The point is is that it is not in the rubrics for the Novus Ordo. It’s not a part of the Mass, but an innovation. Not all Novus Ordo parishes have the “sign of peace”.

At the Latin Novus Ordo I attend at Holy Ghost in Denver there is no “sign of peace”.

I think that shaking hands is a good sign of fellowship… but personally I feel it should be done after the Mass.

 

[Thursday1]

The point is is that it is not in the rubrics for the Novus Ordo. It’s not a part of the Mass, but an innovation. Not all Novus Ordo parishes have the “sign of peace”.

At the Latin Novus Ordo I attend at Holy Ghost in Denver there is no “sign of peace”.

I think that shaking hands is a good sign of fellowship… but personally I feel it should be done after the Mass.

No, it is in the Rubrics.
GIRM:

The Rite of Peace

1. The Rite of Peace follows, by which the Church asks for peace and unity for herself and for the whole human family, and the faithful express to each other their ecclesial communion and mutual charity before communicating in the Sacrament.

As for the sign of peace to be given, the manner is to be established by Conferences of Bishops in accordance with the culture and customs of the peoples. It is, however, appropriate that each person offer the sign of peace only to those who are nearest and in a sober manner.

Yours in Christ,
Thursday

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

No, it is in the Rubrics.

Yours in Christ,
Thursday

Thanks for the correction. That’s what I meant to say is that it isn’t necessarily shaking hands which is the “sign of peace”. I probably should have clarified.

 

[Tonks40]

We have a lot of “wavers” in our parish…

 

[Hijikata]

The point is is that it is not in the rubrics for the Novus Ordo. It’s not a part of the Mass, but an innovation. Not all Novus Ordo parishes have the “sign of peace”.

At the Latin Novus Ordo I attend at Holy Ghost in Denver there is no “sign of peace”.

I think that shaking hands is a good sign of fellowship… but personally I feel it should be done after the Mass.

The sign of peace is in the rubrics, but the holding the hands during the Pater Noster is not, and really came from the Charismatic Catholics.

 

[pray4peace]

I’ve been noticing that some people at the church I normally attend daily mass. They wear veil at mass, and around the “Our Father” prayer, they kneel down. When we all shake hand and say “Peace be with you”, they ignore this part and never look up to look at anybody.

Does this has something to do with some folks who like the Latin Mass?

Thanks!

How strange, I do not know what it means, unless it means they choose not to take part in something that was never okayed by the church. We also may be seeing more wanting things to be more traditional and conservative like it was years ago.

I do wish all the Catholic churches would get on the same page. Hopefully the Pope will address the hand holding and hand shaking soon. I think some definite rules need to be put in place on what we as Catholics are supposed to be doing or not doing during the liturgy.

Blessings

 

[Indyann]

How strange, I do not know what it means, unless it means they choose not to take part in something that was never okayed by the church. We also may be seeing more wanting things to be more traditional and conservative like it was years ago.

I do wish all the Catholic churches would get on the same page. Hopefully the Pope will address the hand holding and hand shaking soon. I think some definite rules need to be put in place on what we as Catholics are supposed to be doing or not doing during the liturgy.

Blessings

Sign of peace not okayed by church? Never heard that before!

 

[Thursday1]

Sign of peace not okayed by church? Never heard that before!

It is okayed for the Church. I posted this a couple of replies back, but I’ll post again.
GIRM:

The Rite of Peace

1. The Rite of Peace follows, by which the Church asks for peace and unity for herself and for the whole human family, and the faithful express to each other their ecclesial communion and mutual charity before communicating in the Sacrament.

As for the sign of peace to be given, the manner is to be established by Conferences of Bishops in accordance with the culture and customs of the peoples. It is, however, appropriate that each person offer the sign of peace only to those who are nearest and in a sober manner.

The manner given is not a matter for the Holy See to decide, as it has been delegated to the local Conference of Bishops. I would say that a handshake is in accordance with the customs of the US, wouldn’t you?

Yours in Christ,
Thursday

 

[Reepicheep]

The “sign of peace” is part of the Mass – mandated by the rubrics.
(For the Novus Ordo at least. I don’t know for sure about the Latin Mass – I haven’t had a chance to attend one.)
The custom of holding hands during the Our Father is not in the rubrics. It’s a fashion, a new custom with no special sanction from the Church.
We are required to conform the the rubrics. We are not required to conform to new fashions.

 

[pray4peace]

Thanks for posting that Thursday. I am glad to see it is okay ,but
I did notice that it says" offer the sign of peace only to those who are nearest and in a sober manner". Well, people in our church reach all over, and there is hugging and kissing family, so it gets to be quite cozy. I guess this is something that has gotten out of hand maybe.

Blessings

 

[Reepicheep]

Thanks for posting that Thursday. I am glad to see it is okay ,but
I did notice that it says" offer the sign of peace only to those who are nearest and in a sober manner". Well, people in our church reach all over, and there is hugging and kissing family, so it gets to be quite cozy. I guess this is something that has gotten out of hand maybe.

Blessings

Sometimes people overdo it. You don’t have to join in: just nod and say something like “The peace of Christ to you”. Physical contact is in no way required by the rubrics.

 

[Sure]

To the original poster,

You are encountering some people who feel that they can pick and choose what parts of the Mass to follow. It’s sad and it’s wrong. Pray for them. If you’re feeling especially brave you could give them the print out of the GIRM after Mass, so that they understand that this, while optional for the celebrant (to include ot not to include), is perfectly legitimate.

 

[water]

To the original poster,

You are encountering some people who feel that they can pick and choose what parts of the Mass to follow. It’s sad and it’s wrong. Pray for them. If you’re feeling especially brave you could give them the print out of the GIRM after Mass, so that they understand that this, while optional for the celebrant (to include ot not to include), is perfectly legitimate.

I am not sure if I can approach the person.
She might be as well praying for peace to all of us at the moment. However, I have prayed that she could get up and share her “peace be with you” with others near her.

For me, this action of sharing peace is an act of love to one another.

 

[RitaM]

I smile and say “peace be with you” to the people around me, but I try to keep my hands full at that point of the Mass (not hard to do with 4 kids) to avoid handshaking. It’s not about me, it’s about those poor people around me who would be receiving baby drool and illnesses that one or another of my children always seem to have or are incubating. I do smile very big so nobody gets the wrong idea (hopefully), and I am as friendly as I can be considering how shy I am.