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Can’t disagree! Maybe not in such terms, but I have implied this before. Do you have an idea how to do this?
Not addressed to me, but one possible answer might be an alliance of sorts, where people’s doctrinal differences and denominational affiliations are acknowledged and respected and our common faith as Christians are celebrated and focused on, without taking away anybody’s distinctives. Say, I as a Confessional Lutheran will work with a Dutch Reformed fellow and pool our thoughts and ideas on how to share the Gospel with those who are not Christian, while neither of us entertains any insulting ideas on how to " evangelize" each other. Maybe a Catholic working with a Mennonite would do something similar, or an Anglican working closely with a Presbyterian. I don’t say we should share Holy Communion or exchange preachers, but I do say that we could work together in mutual respect to propagate our common Faith.
 
Not addressed to me, but one possible answer might be an alliance of sorts, where people’s doctrinal differences and denominational affiliations are acknowledged and respected and our common faith as Christians are celebrated and focused on, without taking away anybody’s distinctives. Say, I as a Confessional Lutheran will work with a Dutch Reformed fellow and pool our thoughts and ideas on how to share the Gospel with those who are not Christian, while neither of us entertains any insulting ideas on how to " evangelize" each other. Maybe a Catholic working with a Mennonite would do something similar, or an Anglican working closely with a Presbyterian. I don’t say we should share Holy Communion or exchange preachers, but I do say that we could work together in mutual respect to propagate our common Faith.
Here is what I don’t understand. A Lutheran or Anglican would have much more in common with a Catholic than they would with a Baptist or some Non denominational. Yet the latter would fall under the Protestant umbrella and therefore would be more considered a brother in faith than a Catholic would.

Not saying all, but I have come across this.
 
Here is what I don’t understand. A Lutheran or Anglican would have much more in common with a Catholic than they would with a Baptist or some Non denominational. Yet the latter would fall under the Protestant umbrella and therefore would be more considered a brother in faith than a Catholic would.

Not saying all, but I have come across this.
Interesting and I’m not entirely sure that I would agree with that particular assessment, at least in my own case. I don’t think one should look at being another’s sibling in Christ in terms of degrees. We are or we’re not. I like to think, for example, that you, Mary, GFC, Steido, Hatikvah, both Michaels and I ( just for an example) are equally brothers and sisters in Christ, with certain agreements and disagreements on points of doctrine. The Protestant umbrella is really rather artificial, more so when you reckon a Protestant is simply somebody who belongs to a church body that does not pledge historical or doctrinal allegiance to the Pope and the Vatican or to the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople.

We get into the Lutheran concept of the invisible, undivided Christian Church, which includes believers all across the Christian spectrum, at this point. If we Lutherans look askance at the Catholic Church, so do we also at the Reformed and Presbyterian Church, Historically, we’ve ***all ***ganged up on the poor Anabaptists, who we see as even further out from correct doctrine. They do, in any event, hold to the Christian faith, they have Baptism, Communion and the Holy Scriptures, even as they have their own confessions that they look at Scripture and tradition with, to wit, the Schleitheim Confession anabaptists.org/history/the-schleitheim-confession.html.

Of course, there are going to be doctrinal disagreements, which is why some of us are Lutheran, others are Catholic, still others are Methodists and so on lutherquest.org/walther/articles/nameLuth.htm, but in all truth, we are Christians and as unfortunate as these divisions are, they exist. The more important unity is what we find as Christians who confess Christ and who seek to live in obedience to Him.
 
Well, they have ganged up pretty well on Catholics also
When I say " Anabaptists," I’m speaking of the Mennonites, the Amish, the Hutterites and the Brethren anabaptistnetwork.com/book/export/html/64, rather than the more Calvinistic group that does endorse believer’s baptism and descends from the English Dissenters that we call Baptists today baptisthistory.org/baptistorigins/baptistbeginnings.html.

The only reason I bring this up is in the interest of fairness. As a persecuted minority in Switzerland, Germany and Austria, the Continental Anabaptists weren’t in much of a position to persecute or gang up on anybody thirdmill.org/newfiles/jac_arnold/ch.arnold.rmt.10.html. I will agree that Lutherans, Calvinists and Anglicans violently persecuted Catholics where Lutherans, Calvinists or Anglicans were in the majority. In truth, Anglicans persecuted Presbyterians and Lutherans did go after the Reformed more than once in our history.

If we do seek common ground in a common faith, we do need to acknowledge the intra- Christian persecutions that went on both in Europe and here in the United States, if not politically, then socially, then we need to somehow move past it. Some will be able to, others will not. I said at some point that I pray for unity and perhaps peace between our different groups would be one step forward.
 
In post 108 you said we should ALL be ashamed of ourselves. Why don’t you want to be included?
Sorry - just saw this. Yes I said we should all be ashamed of ourselves. Please explain how I am NOT including myself in that statement.
 
To anyone in this thread who may be interested, especially the Catholic posters, this discussion prompted me to listed to a talk by Dr Brant Pitre which covers The New perspective of Paul as well as the Catholic doctrine of Justification using Paul/James, documents from the Council of Trent, and the CCC.

Well worth ten bucks:

store.catholicproductions.com/collections/mp3-sets/products/what-must-i-do-to-be-saved-the-new-perspective-on-paul-and-the-catholic-doctrine-of-justification?variant=16706816705

For non Catholics, this would definitely define what the Catholic Church teaches. And It’s not an apologetic discussion, more of a clarification of the doctrine as taught by the Church.
 
Sorry - just saw this. Yes I said we should all be ashamed of ourselves. Please explain how I am NOT including myself in that statement.
You honestly would not see the activity in post 113 as some of the squabbling that really pees you off?
 
You honestly would not see the activity in post 113 as some of the squabbling that really pees you off?
Yes, that’s why I posted it. But I was trying to say that the Bible itself cannot resolve those questions (in my opinion). Do YOU think this is the “body of Christ” the NT writers had in mind?

The point of post 113 is that using the Bible as the sole authority has led to nothing but division because who is there to settle disputes? Hint - Matt 18:17
 
Sorry - just saw this. Yes I said we should all be ashamed of ourselves. Please explain how I am NOT including myself in that statement.
Yes, that’s why I posted it. But I was trying to say that the Bible itself cannot resolve those questions (in my opinion). Do YOU think this is the “body of Christ” the NT writers had in mind?

The point of post 113 is that using the Bible as the sole authority has led to nothing but division because who is there to settle disputes? Hint - Matt 18:17
Certainly not people who get pissed off over it 😃
 
Doesn’t bother you in the least bit, huh?
Yes actually it does…I have been nudged several times today about my reply. I was gone all day again so I just looked at this now. I am sorry I wrote it, I sometimes am prone to sarcasm when I have negative reaction to something somebody says or writes. :blush
 
Yes actually it does…I have been nudged several times today about my reply. I was gone all day again so I just looked at this now. I am sorry I wrote it, I sometimes am prone to sarcasm when I have negative reaction to something somebody says or writes. :blush
No worries - I may have been known to be a donkey, as Luther would say, myself
 
I find Protestants to be far “busier” than Catholics. Group studies, bible studies, daily scripture readings, couples studies…

I find Catholicism to be much more streamlined than Protestantism.
I once met a Baptist guy when during our conversation I mentioned that I was Catholic ,and his reply was… “Oh you’re lucky, you only have to go to church for 1 hour… we have to go for 3 hours”. 🙂
 
Do you know anybody who moved a literal mountain? Seriously
When is there ever a **need **to literally move a mountain? God put the mountains where they are for good reasons.

Moving mountains in order to make money or save effort would not fall into needs worthy of prayer, IMINWHO.

ICXC NIKA
 
Well, I’d like to say thanks for the (name removed by moderator)ut. Some really helpful and interesting points made, and useful pointers to challenge my thinking. I’m now attending RCIA classes, so that should tell you which side of the fence I finally came down on. 🙂
 
Well, I’d like to say thanks for the (name removed by moderator)ut. Some really helpful and interesting points made, and useful pointers to challenge my thinking. I’m now attending RCIA classes, so that should tell you which side of the fence I finally came down on. 🙂
Congratulations! 🙂
 
Well, I’d like to say thanks for the (name removed by moderator)ut. Some really helpful and interesting points made, and useful pointers to challenge my thinking. I’m now attending RCIA classes, so that should tell you which side of the fence I finally came down on. 🙂
Best wishes to you on your journey.🙂
 
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