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Montrose
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The answer is then no.
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Cruciferi
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Lots of things can potentially cause cancer. However, having a cigar, pipe, or cigarette doesn’t necessarily guarantee a cancer diagnosis. Therefore, we cannot say that it’s definitely self harm.
I wouldn’t recommend that anyone smoke on a daily basis. Likewise, I wouldn’t say it’s healthy to drink alcohol and consume red meat constantly. Moderation and risk assessment are key.
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umamibella
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What do you base that answer on?
This is true, but we do not know which cigar/pipe/joint/cigarette will be the one to initiate cancer, it could be the first you ever have, the 100th. 1000th 10,000.
We do know it is a carcinogen. Similarily we know anthrax is a toxin. We avoid it and take measures when it rears its ugly face.
We just do not know if the next or the last smoke of whatever, will be the one to initiate cancerous cell growth.
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Cruciferi
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Likewise, we don’t know which hour in the sun will give you melanoma. Or which glass of wine and slice of Prosciutto will initiate colon cancer. The list goes on and on.
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Cruciferi
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Little known fact: Painters are 30% more likely to develop bladder cancer than the general population. I work with one and he’s getting screened ASAP.
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Orthodox_T
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There are several factors here, so I’ll break them down one by one.
1.) assuming one is of age to smoke, then just at face value, smoking cigarettes is not a sin
2.) smoking cigarettes excessively could be a sin against the virtue of temperance, because like with food or alcohol, we are encouraged to consume them in moderation, not in gluttony or drunkenness (CCC 2290)
3.) if you are smoking with the intention of harming yourself — and this is different from the knowledge that it may be harmful to smoke versus actual intention to harm yourself — then it would be sinful because you are purposefully harming your body, which we are supposed to take care of
Just my two cents.
1.) assuming one is of age to smoke, then just at face value, smoking cigarettes is not a sin
2.) smoking cigarettes excessively could be a sin against the virtue of temperance, because like with food or alcohol, we are encouraged to consume them in moderation, not in gluttony or drunkenness (CCC 2290)
3.) if you are smoking with the intention of harming yourself — and this is different from the knowledge that it may be harmful to smoke versus actual intention to harm yourself — then it would be sinful because you are purposefully harming your body, which we are supposed to take care of
Just my two cents.
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umamibella
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This is why we slip slop slap when we go into the sun here and do not expose ourselves to skin cancer. We know better these days.
None of this takes away knowledge cigarettes are carcinogens.
We can justify our behaviours by saying ’ well if I pick up that venomous snake , chances are now I picked it up, it is going to bite me and I am going to need antivenom or I will die’ (Australian venomous Snakes will kill you if bitten if no treatment is sought asap.)
But this does not allow us to plead ignorance if we know a substance is a carcinogen. I know the herbicide roundup is a known carcinogen. I am not going to bathe in it, thinking well, maybe this time, maybe not.
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tomarin
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I’m pretty sure using any tobacco product on a regular basis will raise your chances of getting cancer. It may be that certain cancers are associated with certain ways of smoking - e.g. pipe or cigar smoking has a higher association with lip, throat and gum cancer because the smoke lingers in the mouth.
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Cruciferi
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And Oxybenzone is possibly a carcinogenic too…
Unlike you I am not intent on making tobacco into a some Great Evil. If someone wishes to partake moderately, they’re permitted to do so. They are not necessarily committing self harm or sinning.
That’s quite a bit different than cigarettes and tobacco but I think you know that.
This is getting a bit outlandish. Nobody’s is advocating chain smoking, holding deadly snakes, or bathing in herbicides. Even Glyphosate when used properly and in small amount is relatively safe.
Use common sense and Moderation.
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umamibella
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Hey I used to smoke, I know what its like. I wont use pesticides or herbicides though, anymore. Its a bit like DDT. Silent Spring of the 21st century.
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Montrose
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Because smokers are not trying to harm themselves.Montrose:
What do you base that answer on?
I know because I was once a smoker. The last thing on a smoker’s mind is self harm.
People who practice self harm are cutters, not smokers.
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umamibella
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I was once a smoker too. But my premise is, does someone who knows smoking is a carcinogen, consciously self harming if they actively and knowingly pick up that smoke. self harming runs a wide gammit, cutting is only one scenario.
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