Is smoking Marijuana sinful?

[GodLovesTheSpek]

Define analogy.

Define saying.

Define Marijuana.

Define kills.

Define people.

 

[distracted]

So if it were not illegal it would be ok, because alcohol is legal and alters your consciousness and that is ok.

just making something legal doesn’t make it OK (abortion is the ultimate example of what i mean)…

but marijuana affects your thinking in a far less dangerous way that excess alcohol does…

i frankly think the drinking age ought to be raised to 25… but that’s just my opinion… without thinking about it much… In a way i am not in favor ofthat cuz i believe people should be free to do whatever… and a 21 yr old can often be more responsible than a 35 yr old or even a 55 yr old… Even so, ther are many traffic deaths due to drinking / driving…

you don’t hear of traffic deaths from driving and smoking pot…

 

[bingbang]

Just for entertainment value:

jewishtribalreview.org/noncri.htm

Excerpts:

Those who knew [Michael] Savage years ago are shocked by his metamorphosis, from 1960s author and proponent of herbal medicine, to 1970s hanger-on in the North Beach Beat poets crowd, to the right-wing talk-show host they hear today. When asked about the apparent shift in his views, Savage said, ``I was once a child; I am now a man.’’

Savage, whose legal name is Michael Weiner, was born in New York City in 1942 into a Russian immigrant family ``raised on neglect, anger and hate,’’ he writes in his book, an autobiographical rehashing of his radio broadcasts.

[He moved] to Hawaii, where he earned master’s degrees in anthropology and botany at the University of Hawaii. Savage built a career as a nutritionist and herbalist. In his 1980 book Weiner's Herbal: The Guide to Herb Medicine,'' he praised the remarkable’’ medicinal benefits of marijuana.

He now attacks advocates of medicinal marijuana and rails against drug use.

Wki: He holds master’s degrees in medical botany and medical anthropology and he earned a Ph.D. from the University of California, Berkeley, in nutritional ethnomedicine.

Wiki: In total Savage has written 25 books. Under the name Michael Savage he has written six books, including a #1 New York Times bestseller and three further books which made the best seller list.[5][6][7]

He has also reprinted two books with the name Savage, Reducing the Risk of Alzheimer’s and Healing Children Naturally.[96]

His 1980 book Savage’s Herbal: The Guide to Herb Medicine advocated the medical benefits of marijuana.[11] However, he has more recently stated that the chemicals in marijuana make it too dangerous to be used as medicine. On his program, he condemns the recreational use of marijuana, occasionally devoting his show to “marijuana horror stories.”[97][dead link] He has authored a number of other books on various herbal medicine topics under his given name.

Marijuana is far safer than the opiates that they give as pain killers. Anyone that has any knowledge of drugs will tell you that. Oxycontin is one of the most dangerous drugs on the street right now…and it is completely legal with prescription. It kills people all the time. My friend died from a xanax overdose. If he had just been smoking marijuana that night I would still have my friend. Marijuana is far safer than hundreds of perscription drugs…you could even make an argument that it is safer than tylenol, as there are far more people that die from Tylenol overdoses than marijuana overdoses.

 

[distracted]

Define analogy.

Define saying.

Define Marijuana.

Define kills.

Define people.

Define Define…

 

[GodLovesTheSpek]

Define Define…

Exactly. At some point to have a discussion one needs to agree on definitions to certain words, or go to some effort to understand what words mean. So, I’m asking.

With the previous response question about bricks, I could easily just have written:

“By debating the example of bricks do you advocate dropping bricks from highway overpasses?”

 

[GodLovesTheSpek]

Marijuana is far safer than the opiates that they give as pain killers. Anyone that has any knowledge of drugs will tell you that. Oxycontin is one of the most dangerous drugs on the street right now…and it is completely legal with prescription. It kills people all the time. My friend died from a xanax overdose. If he had just been smoking marijuana that night I would still have my friend. Marijuana is far safer than hundreds of perscription drugs…you could even make an argument that it is safer than tylenol, as there are far more people that die from Tylenol overdoses than marijuana overdoses.

The perceived safety does not, ultimately, determine sin.

You know for certain your friend would be on Earth? Was he smoking marijuana when the Xanax overdose was done? How about before? Did you give him marijuana or Xanax?

 

[bingbang]

The perceived safety does not, ultimately, determine sin.

You know for certain your friend would be on Earth? Was he smoking marijuana when the Xanax overdose was done? How about before? Did you give him marijuana or Xanax?

I don’t see what your point is by asking these questions. I do know for certain that he would not have died if he was smoking marijuana though. He could have literally had a wheel barrel full of the strongest most potent weed on the planet and been smoking as much as he physically could have and he still would not have died.

Do I know that he would still be on earth? No, he could die at some other time between then and now. He probably was smoking marijuana when he had the xanax overdose. I didn’t give him any marijuana or xanax. I don’t know what you are trying to say, but there has never been one case of marijuana overdose causing death.

 

[Soulewolf]

I disagree with the legality issues. Altering a state of mind will not be covered in this post.

Doing illegal acts is necessary for furthering any culture. New technologies arise and new understandings philosophically and scientifically promote new behaviors within a society. The feminist movement and the civil rights movement for instance.

I can not condone the idea that just because something is illegal, it is sinful.

 

[BobObob]

BobObob;6942434:

Yup. They would go out of business and cease to exist!

Repealing prohibition hurt the mob.

I love looking at history to learn lessons about the present.

Legalize everything and eliminate crime. The “mob” moved on. Same game, different substances and businesses. Satan is a lot smarter than all of us put together.

I one eliminates one prohibition, one hurts organized crime.

Just like ending alcohol prohibition hurt crime, ending drug prohibition would as well.

I never claimed that alcohol is not a drug and neither did the Catholic Church.

The Eucharist, in the species of wine, is just as much of a drug as wine. Wine is just as much of a drug as marijuana (since marijuana is safer than alcohol). The Catholic Church certainly doesn’t hold that CCC 2291 applies to the Eucharist in the species of wine. Thus, marijuana shouldn’t be considered a “drug” in the sense that CCC 2291 is talking about.

 

[stringbeanduck]

The Eucharist, in the species of wine, is just as much of a drug as wine. Wine is just as much of a drug as marijuana (since marijuana is safer than alcohol). The Catholic Church certainly doesn’t hold that CCC 2291 applies to the Eucharist in the species of wine. Thus, marijuana shouldn’t be considered a “drug” in the sense that CCC 2291 is talking about.

Exactly. If a person uses marijuana without disabling their ability to reason, in a moderation that doesn’t cause noticeable harm to health, and a legal manor, there is no sin involved.

In regards to 2291 of the CCC, my priest told me that legality doesn’t determine if a drug is to be set in that category, rather an analysis of whether or not the drug can be used, in moderation without cutting off the ability to reason or is gravely harmful to health/life is the criteria.

 

[scipio337]

Exactly. If a person uses marijuana without disabling their ability to reason, in a moderation that doesn’t cause noticeable harm to health, and a legal manor, there is no sin involved.

In regards to 2291 of the CCC, my priest told me that legality doesn’t determine if a drug is to be set in that category, rather an analysis of whether or not the drug can be used, in moderation without cutting off the ability to reason or is gravely harmful to health/life is the criteria.

Do you know anybody who’s ability to reason isn’t affected by using marijuana?

This thread is amazing. It should have ended around post #7. Catechism #2291. Yes it’s sinful.

Don’t like it? Write to your bishop. fin.

 

[bingbang]

Do you know anybody who’s ability to reason isn’t affected by using marijuana?

This thread is amazing. It should have ended around post #7. Catechism #2291. Yes it’s sinful.

Don’t like it? Write to your bishop. fin.

Have you ever smoked marijuana?

 

[scipio337]

Have you ever smoked marijuana?

Yes. Made me really hungry, and laugh at things that weren’t funny. Reasoning inhibited.

 

[scipio337]

How to be anti-Catholic and pro ganja in the same breath? It isn’t easy:

The Popes hate dope

While millions of Catholic faithful around the world mourn the passing of Pope John Paul II, pot people would do well to remember that the Catholic Church has long been a leader in the global effort to exterminate marijuana and the cannabis culture.
The late Pope John Paul II had frequently campaigned against marijuana decriminalization, saying there are no distinctions between “hard” and “soft” drugs and that using marijuana is equivalent to using heroin.

In January 1997, a Pope-approved statement issued by the Pontifical Council for the Family claimed that legalizing drugs would be akin to legalizing murder, and also called for the banning of tobacco.

These statements are consistent with the Catholic Church’s longstanding policy of official hatred for marijuana and other medicinal and psychoactive herbs. Catholic Popes have been viciously persecuting users of medicinal plants virtually since the formation of the Church.

For much of Europe’s history, the Roman Catholic Church was fighting wars of destruction against many “heretical” sects. In many cases, these so-called heretics had rediscovered the herbal sacraments like mushrooms and cannabis, and were ruthlessly exterminated for their use of these powerful plants…

cannabisculture.com/articles/4308.html

It would be funny, if it weren’t so sad…

In summation, the Catechism, and Vatican have ruled its sinful. If you’re a Catholic, this affects you, if you’re not, you probably don’t care.

 

[Whitacre_Girl]

Yes. Made me really hungry, and laugh at things that weren’t funny. Reasoning inhibited.

laugh

I guess I’ll confess and say that once upon a time I tried it as well. (already made confession to the priest about it too, so no, you aren’t the only ones to know!)

All it did for me was make me sleepy. Things didn’t get funnier, and I couldn’t follow storylines in movies. The only positives I got out of it was that it made me want to listen to music and it made me relax. I have found that I get the same positives from hitting the gym and taking a bath with my iPod in its docking station nearby.

IMHO, marijuana is sinful in that you are violating the law. It’s possible to have just enough that you feel relaxed but still maintain logic (I’ve done it, it’s the eqivalent of having a glass of wine) but it’s still sinful because it’s illegal. I suggest writing to your congressman, governor, whatever and talk about how prohibition is more harmful than the drug if you really want to see it legalized.

I personally don’t care to use it again. Boring!

 

[Spirithound]

Define medicinal.

Having a beneficial effect.

Define purposes.

The reasons or intentions a person has in pursuing a particular course of action.

Define beer.

A beverage made from fermented grains, with an alcohol content not greater than 5%.

Define “just for fun”.

Any purpose other than as medicine.

Define friends.

People with whom I share a similar interest, and with whom I consent to associate.

Define sin.

That which lessens our attraction towards God.

 

[BobObob]

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In regards to 2291 of the CCC, my priest told me that legality doesn’t determine if a drug is to be set in that category, rather an analysis of whether or not the drug can be used, in moderation without cutting off the ability to reason or is gravely harmful to health/life is the criteria.

Do you know anybody who’s ability to reason isn’t affected by using marijuana?

There’s a huge difference between decreasing one’s ability to reason and cutting off one’s ability to reason.

This thread is amazing. It should have ended around post #7. Catechism #2291. Yes it’s sinful.

Don’t like it? Write to your bishop. fin.

Couple problems here.

First, the CCC, like the Bible, needs to be interpreted.

Second, the CCC isn’t infallible (although some of the things in it happen to be infallibly defined in other Church documents).

 

[BobObob]

BTW, JPII, as a private theologian, isn’t infallible. Strict criteria were laid down for papal infallibility when papal infallibility was defined, and JPII campaigning to have marijuana users thrown in prison at taxpayer expense doesn’t meet these criteria.

If JPII truly said, “there are no distinctions between “hard” and “soft” drugs and that using marijuana is equivalent to using heroin,” than he must have either had a vague definition of “drugs” to mean whatever substance he doesn’t like is a “drug”, or he equated alcohol and Holy Communion (in the species of wine) with heroin.

I simply disagree with JPII on this issue.

 

[sean_jackson]

There’s a huge difference between decreasing one’s ability to reason and cutting off one’s ability to reason.

What about improving one’s ability to reason?

Maybe marijuana as a medicine can actually sometimes improve reason.

Some Soul could actually have this same intention for serving God in better reason and mindset. Weither it happens or not, God looks at the heart.

 

[pcg2]

Please answer the question about being a minor. Truthfully.

I am 19 years old. Why does it matter, though? Just wondering

That CCC makes no “distinction” doesn’t mean that it doesn’t apply. Apply reason and intent. The Catechism Of The Catholic Church doesn’t mention anything specific about ingesting unleaded hi-octane gasoline from Exxon, jumping off the Empire State building at 3:45pm, playing Russian Roulette with a Colt 45, or mainlining Mercury.

I am just curious as to how you make your distinctions between alcohol and cigarettes and pot. What are the standards by which you judge each drug? Why are cigarettes sinful to you, but not alcohol?

We are not able to get further on this issue because you continue to insist that pot and alcohol and cigarettes are on the same playing field.

If you can show me a church document that infallibly declares alcohol in moderation as sinful, I will shut my mouth and whole-heartedly agree with you at once.