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prophetdaniel
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There is more reporting of violent acts. In some cases, the acts are more extreme when being compared to the records of decades ago.
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gilliam
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Not sure what you are talking about here as to the acts being more severe. I would still say our forefathers were much more violent. Examples in the last 100 years or so:
large groups:
Mafia (worldwide)
KKK (and other linching groups)
Organized mobs/gangsters
Pirates
Violent robberies / bandits
countries:
Stalin - killed millions
Mao - killed millions
Hitler - killed millions
Pot - killed a million
wars (a few examples)
Boehr war - killed hundreds of thousands
WWI - killed millions
WWII - killed millions
Korea - killed hundreds of thousands
Vietnam - killed 10s of thousands (aftermath killed about 1 million)
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Zooey
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I think we’re more aware of it…I’m not at all sure that it wasn’t as violent or more so, at other periods in history, though.
Human nature doesn’t change a lot.
Also, I think we “see” crimes we didn’t think of as crimes. For example, 50 years ago, how many people knew much about battered wives? (Or husbands, for that matter). What about child abuse? Yes, we have a lot today, but I have to wonder how much was going on, say, a century ago, when most people would have thought it was “none of their business”.
Which is not to say that we don’t live in scary times. I just think that we are looking at the past through rose colored glasses a lot of the time.
My grandfather always said that “people who are nostalgic for the good old days, didn’t have to live through them”. It has always made good sense to me…
Human nature doesn’t change a lot.
Also, I think we “see” crimes we didn’t think of as crimes. For example, 50 years ago, how many people knew much about battered wives? (Or husbands, for that matter). What about child abuse? Yes, we have a lot today, but I have to wonder how much was going on, say, a century ago, when most people would have thought it was “none of their business”.
Which is not to say that we don’t live in scary times. I just think that we are looking at the past through rose colored glasses a lot of the time.
My grandfather always said that “people who are nostalgic for the good old days, didn’t have to live through them”. It has always made good sense to me…
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alekzander
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I live in Milwaukee and murders this year are 25 more than at this time last year!Community groups and Black church leaders go on tv almost on a nightly basis and plead for people in the inner city to stop the violence.It sure doesn’t seem to help though-the rate of murders still keeps going at the same pace. It’s just very simple some people don’t care and they will kill without hesitation. You wonder how people become that way but sadly they do.The one thing that is very frustrating to me is why when a cop kills or beats someone from the inner city minority groups mobilize and protest with fervor…but…when one of these thugs kills a kid or someone you hardly hear anything,no protests nothing…it makes no sense to me! MOBILIZE against the THUGS in your neighborhood!!Call these people out,lock them up-for every one shooting by a cop there are 150 others commited by the thugs that live in the neighborhood.
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prophetdaniel
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Examples are road rage, school violence, and community sports. I once demanded an opponent in a non-contact sport not to go head hunting against my teammates. His actions did not change. He actually believed his opponents have no rights to defend themselves. The next time, he made some slurs. Unfortunate. I am thankful I never got to play against him. My teammate kept his cool, used good judgement and sportsmenship. School fights seem to only end when someone needs to be taken to the hospital.
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Brad
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Yes. Pro-death mentality.
No. It is not that bad.
Yes, unless I had to. Common sense.
I wouldn’t be going there if it were so.
Disease.
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Brad
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Well if we add in all the killings that go in countries today and over the last 100 years that we couldn’t count and all the abortions, what other centuries are far worse in terms of violence?
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Steve_Andersen
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obviously much less violent
worldwide the number of wars is at it’s lowest point since they started keeping records and the population is at its highest so the per capita rate has gone way down
there are no more major armed beligerant states staring each other down
Domestically in the US the crime rate is at a 30-40(?) year low
worldwide the number of wars is at it’s lowest point since they started keeping records and the population is at its highest so the per capita rate has gone way down
there are no more major armed beligerant states staring each other down
Domestically in the US the crime rate is at a 30-40(?) year low
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Brad
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Steve Andersen:
Preposterous. There are state killings going on daily. We have families killing their young and their old. And we have ongoing terrorism and war, recent holocausts and multiple mass genocides. It is anything but obvious that the world is much less violent. Perhaps not too violent in many suburban communities but that doesn’t make up the world.
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Steve_Andersen
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of course there are
who said there weren’t?
All I said was that the number of wars and the related casualties is far lower now than in the recent past and the population is up.
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Who said anything about the suburbs?
All I said was conflict is down globally and crime is down domestically
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Brad
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Steve Andersen:
You said the world was obviously much less violent. I don’t see that as obvious at all.
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deb1
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I suppose that I am taking to long a view of history. In the past fifty years, yes, we have grown a bit more violent. In overall human history though, I think that we are less violent. Until recently, cruelty was a fact of life.
Watch some of the history channels stories on the Roman Empire. THe things that they did to people in the arenas was horrific. One of the "Roman Historians’ (I think that was what he was) very blandly quoted that if a Roman woman was convicted of killing her hubby, her death sentence was to be forced to be raped by a bull in front of the arena crowd.
That is so incrediably horrific that I can’t even comprehend the brutality.
Go into the middle ages, some pretty horrible stuff there. Remember the film, Braveheart!! Did you ever wonder what they were doing to him. I won’t say. Just look into what England’s method of killing for treason was until, I think, Queen Elizabeth’s time. It was not by chopping off your head-a nice easy way to die.
During Victorian times, it was not uncommon for young orphans to starve to death.
Now that I have greatly disturbed myself I think that I will go say a prayer of thanksgiving for the time period that I was born into.
Watch some of the history channels stories on the Roman Empire. THe things that they did to people in the arenas was horrific. One of the "Roman Historians’ (I think that was what he was) very blandly quoted that if a Roman woman was convicted of killing her hubby, her death sentence was to be forced to be raped by a bull in front of the arena crowd.
That is so incrediably horrific that I can’t even comprehend the brutality.Go into the middle ages, some pretty horrible stuff there. Remember the film, Braveheart!! Did you ever wonder what they were doing to him. I won’t say. Just look into what England’s method of killing for treason was until, I think, Queen Elizabeth’s time. It was not by chopping off your head-a nice easy way to die.
During Victorian times, it was not uncommon for young orphans to starve to death.
Now that I have greatly disturbed myself I think that I will go say a prayer of thanksgiving for the time period that I was born into.
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deb1
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Drawing a quartering…what happened to Braveheart…
jenlars.mu.nu/archives/057284.html
I have put off cleaning my house long enough, but I will find some more sites on the brutality of our forefathers.
jenlars.mu.nu/archives/057284.html
I have put off cleaning my house long enough, but I will find some more sites on the brutality of our forefathers.
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Brad
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And these things and worse go on today and when they are stood up against (as in abortion or Sadaam Hussein), those standing up are criticized as being too involved in others’ business.I suppose that I am taking to long a view of history. In the past fifty years, yes, we have grown a bit more violent. In overall human history though, I think that we are less violent. Until recently, cruelty was a fact of life.
Watch some of the history channels stories on the Roman Empire. THe things that they did to people in the arenas was horrific. One of the "Roman Historians’ (I think that was what he was) very blandly quoted that if a Roman woman was convicted of killing her hubby, her death sentence was to be forced to be raped by a bull in front of the arena crowd.
Go into the middle ages, some pretty horrible stuff there. Remember the film, Braveheart!! Did you ever wonder what they were doing to him. I won’t say. Just look into what England’s method of killing for treason was until, I think, Queen Elizabeth’s time. It was not by chopping off your head-a nice easy way to die.
During Victorian times, it was not uncommon for young orphans to starve to death.
Now that I have greatly disturbed myself I think that I will go say a prayer of thanksgiving for the time period that I was born into.
Don’t think that because the US appears civilized relative to the Roman Empire and other time periods that sick and demented torturing, raping, and killing does not go on in this country and state sponsored the world over. It is no surprise that killing the weakest of society has become in vogue and utiliatrian research on life is being pushed for.
What kind of torture and killing did Hitler and Stalin undertake. How about Sadaam. How about the leadership in Iran and Syria and tribal African countries? How about China? North Korea? Or just walk into an inner city street gang and see the torture and killings that go on.
Just because we don’t see it doesn’t mean that it is not happening.
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Bobby_A.Greene
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Yes, America has become more violent.
On my way here I saw a cop violently verbally abuse a common jay walker.
There was another shooting murder in the black area of Boston today.
The list goes on and on, but I think the problem is indifference, Americans are becoming disaffected witnesses rather than participants.
On my way here I saw a cop violently verbally abuse a common jay walker.
There was another shooting murder in the black area of Boston today.
The list goes on and on, but I think the problem is indifference, Americans are becoming disaffected witnesses rather than participants.
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deb1
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Well, of course humans as a whole are about the same level of violence as they have always been. I don’t think that we are more.
For all the atrocities that you can name that have been committed in this century, I can name some equally horrific events that have happened in the past. The difference between say Hitler and tyrants of the past is that the modern dictator has technology to assist him in his attempts at genocide, perhaps pushing the death counts higher. But this doesn’t make us less violent or more violent, it just makes us a little more efficent.
Evil has always existed, but so has great goodness. It is just that goodness doesn’t often make its way into the history books or on our local tv.
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Brad
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What is equally horrific? I count lives myself because each and every one is precious. Method does make a difference but numbers count more. Being “efficient” as you describe is being more violent to me.
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bones_IV
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I tend to agree. There are even studies that show that a consequence of video game addiction, that it is harder for children to carry on a conversation with their parents! Scary isn’t it. A young priest just recently said that what our society watches we immitate it. It goes back to what you said about our society’s acceptance and normalization of sin. Our parents are not being very good examples. Men and women committing adultery on each other. Profaning God’s gift of life and matrimony, you wonder why we’ve had so many terrorists bombings. Our youth are not being taught solid traditional family views. Its no wonder there are so many gangs, divorces, abused children. And the fact that we have had 2 generations of Catholics that are not catchised! Our bishops and priests bare the majority of the responsibility. It’s by our sins that we constitute terror.
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qmvsimp
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Two comments to disprove your theory: Hong Kong has the highest population density, and their crime rate is less than any major US city.
Put the population of the world all in the state of Texas. The population density would be the same as London’s.
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Sirach14
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The same goes for my city in upstate, NY, and the same here in Baltimore, MD
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