Is spirituality emotional or intellectual?

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I think this belongs in this forum rather than the spirituality forum because it is more a philosophical question, so I posted it here.

If I wanted to increase my religious devotion, should I focus on how it makes me feel or how I think about it? If it is based on emotions, then if might be less than genuine and could be lost over time because emotions ebb and change all the time.

If it is founded on an intellectual focus it would have a stronger foundation, but it too has shortcomings because this implies a sort of pride in your own intellect and you place it before your faith.

Does this mean that your faith must precede the intellectual foundation behind it? Or must your faith be founded on the intellectual reasons behind it?

Perhaps it is a mixture of both? You can discover truth from an intellectual standpoint, then you can place your confidence in that truth when you need some guidance.

I am obviously confused by this. How should I think about this subject?
 
Does this mean that your faith must precede the intellectual foundation behind it? Or must your faith be founded on the intellectual reasons behind it?
definitely the second one. The only way we can justify faith is through an intellectual foundation, and I fail to see how this is prideful. Our religious orientation should not be based on the way we feel at any given moment.
 
I think this belongs in this forum rather than the spirituality forum because it is more a philosophical question, so I posted it here.

If I wanted to increase my religious devotion, should I focus on how it makes me feel or how I think about it? If it is based on emotions, then if might be less than genuine and could be lost over time because emotions ebb and change all the time.

If it is founded on an intellectual focus it would have a stronger foundation, but it too has shortcomings because this implies a sort of pride in your own intellect and you place it before your faith.

Does this mean that your faith must precede the intellectual foundation behind it? Or must your faith be founded on the intellectual reasons behind it?

Perhaps it is a mixture of both? You can discover truth from an intellectual standpoint, then you can place your confidence in that truth when you need some guidance.

I am obviously confused by this. How should I think about this subject?
I would also say it is founded in the intellect primarily, but both are needed. Feelings can be useful in guiding us but we must know someone in order to love them, and the more we know the more we can love. Who do we have faith in? We must know of God(through revelation and His Church) in order to Love and serve Him. Faith as solely an intellectual excercise becomes dry and empty, while Faith as solely feelings becomes pious sentimentality and cultural inertia fairly quickly thereafter.

Both and, not either/or is the Church’s view on things like this
 
I think this belongs in this forum rather than the spirituality forum because it is more a philosophical question, so I posted it here.

If I wanted to increase my religious devotion, should I focus on how it makes me feel or how I think about it? If it is based on emotions, then if might be less than genuine and could be lost over time because emotions ebb and change all the time.

If it is founded on an intellectual focus it would have a stronger foundation, but it too has shortcomings because this implies a sort of pride in your own intellect and you place it before your faith.

Does this mean that your faith must precede the intellectual foundation behind it? Or must your faith be founded on the intellectual reasons behind it?

Perhaps it is a mixture of both? You can discover truth from an intellectual standpoint, then you can place your confidence in that truth when you need some guidance.

I am obviously confused by this. How should I think about this subject?
I think it is mostly emotional, at least for me. Faith is more an emotional thing than an intellectual thing, in my opinion.
 
I think this belongs in this forum rather than the spirituality forum because it is more a philosophical question, so I posted it here.
OK -
Let’s take a step back here because you’ve asked different questions here and while there might be a philosophical aspect… I prefer to take a more spiritual approach simply because I usually find them to be simpler. 😉
If I wanted to increase my religious devotion, should I focus on how it makes me feel or how I think about it? If it is based on emotions, then if might be less than genuine and could be lost over time because emotions ebb and change all the time.
First we should be clear about what you mean by “religious devotion”. What we should be looking to do is to “grow in holiness”, that is, to conform ourselves more closely to God’s will. This means to Grow in Love and often times involves becoming more and more simple in our lives and our outlooks. Devotions are tools that we use in order to better accomplish the goal.
So - it is important to choose a tool carefully for it’s particular usefulness and not by how it makes you “feel”.
That said, feelings cannot be ignored and these too need to be considered. What are the “feelings” we can expect as we grow nearer to God? The saints give insight into this…and can help us deal with the “ebb and flow” that you mentions above.
If it is founded on an intellectual focus it would have a stronger foundation, but it too has shortcomings because this implies a sort of pride in your own intellect and you place it before your faith.
The sin of pride is one that can creep into the equation whether you are looking at “intellect” or emotion.
But in your comment here you actually point out the problem so that it can be dealt with right away. Note that you refer to “intellectual focus”…In growing spiritually we should not focus on anything that is not God…So that means - do not focus on intellect OR emotion. These are simply tools to help direct us in our focus…on God.
Does this mean that your faith must precede the intellectual foundation behind it? Or must your faith be founded on the intellectual reasons behind it?
This is somewhat “chicken/egg” and is really not worth allowing yourself to be sidetracked by. You already have faith…You have an intellect…you have emotions. Point all three toward God.
Perhaps it is a mixture of both? You can discover truth from an intellectual standpoint, then you can place your confidence in that truth when you need some guidance.
that’s it!!
I am obviously confused by this. How should I think about this subject?
In the simplest terms possible…
You know your goal…to be come perfect (in love) as our Heavenly Father is perfect (Mt 5:48)
We know we are not perfect…So we seek to move closer to God through His showing us our imperfections and our laboring (in His grace) to remove them.
Everything else is either a tool, more or less useful, in helping us on that journey.

Peace
James
 
Children are certainly more than capable of loving their parents without intellectually knowing them - besides which, when it comes to God our minds are as incapable of properly grasping Him as a hong child’s mind of properly grasping its parent.

But I do agree that a chicken-egg mix of emotions and intellect makes up faith. Even the great thinker St Augustine said ‘seek first to believe, then understand’, and St Thomas Aquinas, after a lifetime of brilliant theological scholarship, had an intense experience of God and afterwards simply said ‘everything I have written is straw’. So it is by no means a given that intellect is the primary foundation of faith. I suspect different people need varying balances of head and heart.
 
Children are certainly more than capable of loving their parents without intellectually knowing them - besides which, when it comes to God our minds are as incapable of properly grasping Him as a hong child’s mind of properly grasping its parent.

But I do agree that a chicken-egg mix of emotions and intellect makes up faith. Even the great thinker St Augustine said ‘seek first to believe, then understand’, and St Thomas Aquinas, after a lifetime of brilliant theological scholarship, had an intense experience of God and afterwards simply said ‘everything I have written is straw’. So it is by no means a given that intellect is the primary foundation of faith. I suspect different people need varying balances of head and heart.
But lily that sounds like you presuppose perfect knowledge in a modern sense(absolute/complete/clear knowledge) rather than knowledge in a general sense. Even children know their parents exist before they love them, they don’t know them completly but the do know them (in some sense their intellect grasps the reality of their parents existance) before they love them. St Paul IMO puts it nicely in Romans 10:13-14
God (via St Paul):
Rom10:13 For, “every one who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.” 14 But how are men to call upon him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without a preacher
The more we know the more we can Love until the point we see God as He really is(cf. 1Jn 3:2) in the Beatific Vision and so in seeing/knowing Him as he really is we can Love Him as completly as we are able.
 
I think if we have to have a balance.

I enjoy learning more about the scriptures through books etc, both because I want to beable to explain the teachings of Catholism in witnessing to others, but also because getting new insights into the Bible increases my faith!

But I have a terrible tendency to be inconsistent in my prayer life which I am still battling. It is a tendency to focus on learning ‘about’ God to the exclusion of praying or meditating, and spending time ‘with’ God. So it may be you lean too far one way or the other and need to make adjustments.

It also must ultimately lived out in our behaviour.
 
I think this belongs in this forum rather than the spirituality forum because it is more a philosophical question, so I posted it here.

If I wanted to increase my religious devotion, should I focus on how it makes me feel or how I think about it? If it is based on emotions, then if might be less than genuine and could be lost over time because emotions ebb and change all the time.

If it is founded on an intellectual focus it would have a stronger foundation, but it too has shortcomings because this implies a sort of pride in your own intellect and you place it before your faith.

Does this mean that your faith must precede the intellectual foundation behind it? Or must your faith be founded on the intellectual reasons behind it?

Perhaps it is a mixture of both? You can discover truth from an intellectual standpoint, then you can place your confidence in that truth when you need some guidance.

I am obviously confused by this. How should I think about this subject?
I THINK YOU ARE JUSTIFIED

I think you are justified in being confused. This web forum is run by an apologetics organization, and all apologetics organizations focus on intellectual arguments, facts, reasons, evidence, logic, etc. All that is recommended by the Catholic Church.

But the Catholic Church also teaches that human beings, not being logic machines, not being computers, have an emotional aspect, and that is as much a part of our God-given humanity as the rational part.

I think it is possible to get out-of-balance and be too intellectual in one’s faith life.

ST. FRANCIS OF ASSISI

Consider the case of St. Francis of Assisi. He is one of the most beloved and celebrated saints in history. He ordered his friars to not attend university and to not own any books. He was afraid that study and scholarship would lead his friars away from the direct heartfelt love of God and the direct heartfelt love of and close association with the common people (most of whom had no education, or, in any case, did not do intellectual jobs).

THE COMMAND TO LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR “HEART”

When you read the Gospels, you see Jesus boiling all commandments down to the Great Commandment: “Love the LORD your God with your whole HEART, mind, soul and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself.” Furthermore, all four of the Gospels show, again and again, Jesus being very EMOTIONAL. He cries out loud when Lazarus dies. On his to this crucifixion, he cries for the lost. He says something like “Don’t cry for me. Cry for yourselves.” People FELT love for Jesus, and Jesus FELT love for people. There is even “the disciple whom Jesus loved,” St. John, who in some way Jesus has a special love for and friendship with.

ALL THE ARGUING

I know so many zealous Catholics who are constantly ARGUING and trying to convert people by arguments. I think this accomplishes very little. I think this just comes across as a pugilistic battle of aggression.

Yet, I agree there is a place for information to show that the Faith is not irrational, is not ridiculous make believe. But, as far as I can see, no one comes to love God or love neighbor or love enemies because of some rational argument.

FALLING IN LOVE WITH GOD

Somehow, a person must have, again and again, the experience of something like “falling in love” with God, with FEELINGS. That comes from knowledge about his love for us, gifts to us, sacrifices for us, suffering for us, and his truthfulness, mercy, forgiveness, purity, power and benevolence. To me, this comes more from reading or hearing the Gospels than reading apologetical works.

This falling in love with God also happens because we experience some people in our personal lives who live out these Godly qualities in their human earthy lives and thus show and PROVE BY LIFE (as opposed to proof by logic) that these qualities are not just fictions or fairly tales written down in high-minded books.
 
I think this belongs in this forum rather than the spirituality forum because it is more a philosophical question, so I posted it here.

If I wanted to increase my religious devotion, should I focus on how it makes me feel or how I think about it? If it is based on emotions, then if might be less than genuine and could be lost over time because emotions ebb and change all the time.

If it is founded on an intellectual focus it would have a stronger foundation, but it too has shortcomings because this implies a sort of pride in your own intellect and you place it before your faith.

Does this mean that your faith must precede the intellectual foundation behind it? Or must your faith be founded on the intellectual reasons behind it?

Perhaps it is a mixture of both? You can discover truth from an intellectual standpoint, then you can place your confidence in that truth when you need some guidance.

I am obviously confused by this. How should I think about this subject?
I think it’s definitely a better foundation to seek your faith through the intellectual rather than emotional, however both are involved.

I have to say that faith really isn’t based in either though, it’s spiritual, not intellectual or emotional. You can study all you want but the only way you’ll find Truth is through God and trusting in Him. I believe that faith is beyond the emotional and intellectual, although the intellectual and emotional can stimulate us to seek it’s growth.

Faith generates from something much deeper and more powerful inside of us. It comes from God. It’s a seed God plants in us and can only grow with His nourishment.
 
I think it’s definitely a better foundation to seek your faith through the intellectual rather than emotional, however both are involved.

I have to say that faith really isn’t based in either though, it’s spiritual, not intellectual or emotional. You can study all you want but the only way you’ll find Truth is through God and trusting in Him. I believe that faith is beyond the emotional and intellectual, although the intellectual and emotional can stimulate us to seek it’s growth.

Faith generates from something much deeper and more powerful inside of us. It comes from God. It’s a seed God plants in us and can only grow with His nourishment.
I totally agree, with Marie! Faith is beyond feelings or intellect alone, it is much deeper than that… example: I get up in the morning on the wrong side of the bed. My focus is not on my feelings or intellect. In my case I pray to the Father,through the Precious Blood of Jesus, for the Holy Spirit to come forth and give me Charity, inner peace, and joy. I may feel like crud, but my day is quickly turned around.The Sacraments are the best place to get,gifts and fruits of the Holy Spirit. I seen people with no knowledge of Bible or other things, be really full of God’s Spirit, through the Sacraments. You know this is not based on feelings either. I see it a lot of times too, on EWTN. You know it is Spiritual gifts from God in Sacramental life and going to Mass daily.
God Bless
 
I suggest that it is actually a false dichotomy to try to separate ‘head’ from ‘heart’. They can’t really be separated. If you want to stir emotions, you still need thoughts, ideas and images to do so. Similarly, there is emotion involved in even the most apparently ‘dry’ discussion.
 
I suggest that it is actually a false dichotomy to try to separate ‘head’ from ‘heart’. They can’t really be separated. If you want to stir emotions, you still need thoughts, ideas and images to do so. Similarly, there is emotion involved in even the most apparently ‘dry’ discussion.
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Absolutely correct…In this sense the question becomes more of which one rules over the other…Emotion or intellect.

Peace
James
 
Is spirituality emotional or intellectual?

It’s both and more! 🙂
 
The will also plays a role since that is what keeps us going when neither our intellectn or emotions cooperate.
 
The will also plays a role since that is what keeps us going when neither our intellect or emotions cooperate.
Well said…And I think our will should not be discounted as sort of a “balance” between the intellect and emotions. It works to keep one from overwhelming the other.

Peace
James
 
Man is both intellectual and emotional. IMO, use anything and everything to come close to God.

Whatever it takes. People are so different. Some are strong in one or the other. And it is up to each person to know this about themselves and use it to their advantage in their life with God.

Just a thought.
 
Just like to say, in any protracted argument or debate I’ve had with a Christian or read or listened to, they always inevitably fall back on an unreasoned emotionally-based faith in the bible, their church, or a personal experience.

This is mainly because most intellectual arguments for the existence of a deity are pretty weak. Even William Lane Craig has resorted to presuppositionalism (aka, I’m right because I know I’m right because I say so).
 
Just like to say, in any protracted argument or debate I’ve had with a Christian or read or listened to, they always inevitably fall back on an unreasoned emotionally-based faith in the bible, their church, or a personal experience.
If we remove the two adjectives here…“unreasoned” and “emotionally-based” I will happily agree with you.
This is mainly because most intellectual arguments for the existence of a deity are pretty weak. Even William Lane Craig has resorted to presuppositionalism (aka, I’m right because I know I’m right because I say so).
Actually - If one makes a positive statement that God either DOES or does NOT exist - they will find themselves running up against the same problem of “weak arguments” and having to resort to presuppositions. This is because it is impossible to either prove or disprove the existence of God.
Of course we never find our own arguments weak because, to us, these are the arguments that “just make sense”…and we can’t understand why the other fellow doesn’t see that.
So basically…This is what all arguments between atheists and theists come down to…the presupposition that “it just makes sense” that God does (or) does not exist based on what “just makes sense”…and this is (perhaps) one way to describe what we call “Faith”.

Peace
James
 
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