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ethelzguy
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You may be right. I, however, see it more of a rebellion against the prior generation. On the other hand (as Tevye would say) maybe they will do their respective religions some good, in spite of themselves
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JKirkLVNV
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I strongly suspect this is a reaction to the spiritual poverty of the “Spirit of Vatican II” (as opposed to the actual council). I also suspect that this will swing back to a middle way, a center path between two extremes. I hope I live to see it, as both camps get on my nerves.
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Sepharad
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I think so. To offer something similar, in Judaism, those of my generation and later found that our parents and even our grandparents had shucked off the old traditions of our faith…so those in my generation began wanting to reach back in time, sort of as if we were on a “bridge” going over our parents and grandparents, to grasp and hold onto the faith of our GREAT-grandparents! They say its called “Hansen’s Law”…that the 3rd generation always tries to go back and recover what was lost.
Our grandparents came to America wanting to assimilate, Americanize, give up “the old ways”…and consequently their children (our parents) often grew up knowing next to nothing of the beauties and traditions of our faith. But my generation in the 1970s, began grasping onto what was thrown away…this is another reason why I can relate to how people like VivatJesus feel…while I am sure he also has deeply-held religious reasons for his involvement in the SSPX, he is probably also trying to recapture what Catholics in his family before him probably were glad to get rid of!
Here is some info on Hansen’s Law:
HANSEN’S LAW
“What the son wishes to forget the grandson wishes to remember” (Hansen, 1938:9). Hansen’s Law was stated by the historian Marcus Lee Hansen, who called it “the principle of third generation interest.” It was popularized by Herberg (1960:30, 203, 257). The essay in which Hansen first presented his law has recently been reprinted by Kivisto and Blanck (1990:191-203).
Hansen’s Law is often used to interpret the immigrant experience. While the son of an immigrant may devote considerable energy to discarding immigrant culture traits, his son – the grandson – may find them identity forming and adopt some of them into his cultural repertory. Religion is one sort of culture trait that is subject to intergenerational reevaluation. The religion of an immigrant, which his son rejects, may be reaffirmed by the grandson, once it has been reformulated in a suitably Americanized way.
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VivatJesus
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LOL! I’m “snarky”!? How about you read some of your own posts, Consumed.
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Sepharad
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I’m old enough to be the Momma of BOTH you two (consumed and Vivat), so behave or you’ll get a verbal cyber-paddling! 
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JKirkLVNV
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With respect, Brendan, and just to be clear, I have not attempted to define “formal adherence.” For me, it is simply sufficient that the Holy Father, may he rest in everlasting peace, warned against participation, and that the Holy See (in Msgr.'s letter) continues to do so. When I get into a discussion regarding the SSPX, I simply state facts: bishops excommunicated, priests suspended, faithful warned.
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consumedconvert
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Guilty as charged.I suspect you’ll move on in a few years. I did.
But in all sincerity, be careful. Your on dangerous ground. Much better to simply attend a Diocesan Mass and confess to a Diocesan priest, with faculties to absolve you.
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VivatJesus
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Yes, much better to attend diocesan masses chock full of abuses, listen to heresies from the pulpit (oh sorry, I meant the “ambo”
I suspect you’ll move on in a few years. I did.
But in all sincerity, be careful. Your on dangerous ground. Much better to simply attend a Diocesan Mass and confess to a Diocesan priest, with faculties to absolve you.
), and receive dubious, borderline heretical advice from Novus Ordo priests who often don’t even give a valid absolution…been there, done that. I’ll stick to attending a reverent, true Catholic Mass, hearing sermons expounding Catholic doctrine and moral teachings, and confessing to priests who actually believe in sin and give me advice on how to avoid it…
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Timothysis
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You are correct, VivatJesus. Better to stick to a group whose leaders are excommunicated, whose priest are suspended of their faculties and can, therefore, not give absolution in confession, whose priest celebrate valid, yet illegal masses, who defy the pope and bishops and preach such charitable things such as women should not participate in sports and shouldn’t go to college. Yes, that’s where the true spirit of Christ resides.Yes, much better to attend diocesan masses chock full of abuses, listen to heresies from the pulpit (oh sorry, I meant the “ambo”
22 years old, you say?
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BrendanD
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How about we stop lying about people? The SSPX itself owns and operates a college, which admits women.
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JKirkLVNV
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Does Bishop Williamson know about this? Because he gives every impression that he doesn’t.
Maybe that’s the answer to the condrum “Why do people believe the worst about the SSPX?” Perhaps they should simply put Bishop Williamson under a vow of silence.
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Timothysis
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This is not a lie. Though the sspx may own and operate a college there are plenty of sspx voices, many here on this forum in the past few days, that said that women should not play sports, go to college, wear shorts or do anything that would remove them from a “role” as a bearer of children.
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BrendanD
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Those are the voices of the individuals on this forum. They aren’t even members of the SSPX. To claim that the SSPX are against women going to college is simply a lie, and probably pretty offensive to all the women that attend the SSPX and have college degrees.
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JKirkLVNV
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Um, you really should check out Bishop Williamson’s opinion on this as well. He’s not JUST an individual when it comes to the SSPX.
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consumedconvert
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Out of curiosity, what diocese do you live in that is so chock-full of apparent abuses? I’ve never seen any of these things in my Parish.Yes, much better to attend diocesan masses chock full of abuses, listen to heresies from the pulpit (oh sorry, I meant the “ambo”
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BrendanD
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Williamson is also into 9/11 conspiracy theories and Holocaust-denial, I’ve heard. But I wouldn’t accuse the entire SSPX of those things either.
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Timothysis
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Brilliant. So just because one of the excommunicated leaders of the sspx personally says that women shouldn’t play sports, shouldn’t wear shorts, shouldn’t go to college, believes in 9-11 conspiracies and is a holocaust denier doesn’t mean that the WHOLE society is the same.
What percentage of the society that holds these same views is acceptable or unacceptable to you?
It astounds me that you guys would rather side with people like this than with the Holy Father, the Successor of Peter, the Rock of the Church.:hypno:
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BrendanD
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Yes, that is correct. The whole society is not the same, they are actually different people, each with their own brain.
When a Catholic Bishop says something wrong, do you assume he’s speaking for every single Catholic in the world? Then why do that for the SSPX?
I didn’t say a darn thing about those views being acceptable or unacceptable. All I said is that the SSPX allows women to go to college.
What perceived group is is that you’re calling “you guys”? Again, I didn’t “take sides” with anybody, I am simply pointing out that it is a lie and a slander to claim that SSPX women can’t go to college.
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ethelzguy
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So, the SSPX DOES have “members”? This contradicts what I’ve been reading here all week.
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BrendanD
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The SSPX has members, but I’m pretty sure there are none on this site. Has someone been saying they don’t? It wouldn’t make much sense to have a Society with no members
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