Exactly. Even if some believe that these surgeries are not morally wrong, there are so many health consequences that really need to be thought out. I forgot something in a previous post–having your tubes tied is also linked to premature ovarian failure, which throws a woman into menopause much earlier than she otherwise would.
You are very wrong. The Church’s teaching has nothing to do with who gets to experience suffering. The Church’s teaching has to do with right and wrong. Cancer is a medical condition that can be treated in various ways–meds, removal of disease, etc. Dangerous pregnancies can be avoided either by using total abstinence or periodic abstinence. What’s the problem? The Church doesn’t say “keep having children, even if it will kill you”. There are valid, licit options. I would hope that a Catholic husband whose wife is in this situation would have compassion and be adult enough to handle either type of abstinence.
The reality of life is that not everyone is able to handle abstinence. Remember that sex is not just for procreation. Living out abstinence as a single person or as a religious is one thing. Remaining faithful and abstinent when your spouse is bedridden or otherwise incapacitated is another. But two young married people with normal sex drives, having no debilitating health conditions, living under the same roof and possibly even having to share the same bed - remaining abstinent indefinitely? This I have to see…
Jesus promises us many things and having an easy life is NOT one of them. We all have struggles and difficulities and Jesus calls us to “take up your cross and follow me”. Take a look at the lives of saints–not a lot of easy lives there. I seem to remember Jesus saying “With God, all things are possible” (Matthew 19:26). While he was specifically taking about salvation, I think abstinence would fall under this…
That’s actually not true and medically impossible to cause ovarian failure.
This is true.
Can you cite a source for that? I’m in surgical meno and have been doing a lot of reading. According to The Premature Menopause Book, it is a risk factor for POF.
I can answer! I wouldn’t go by the Premature Meno book. You need a true medical book, but I had the privilege to speaking to this man along another medical professionals. (yes, I had to had more than one person give me the same answer. )
Hey, Lizzie, welcome to the forums! Just wanted to post a quick correction. I’m sure you meant “tubal ligation” instead of hysterectomy.
This is the very reason my mother left the Church. She was an aid at our local hospital for many years. A woman in advanced pregnancy came in with complications. It turns out that the Docs flat out TOLD her after the last baby “The next pregnancy will KILL either you or the baby… you cannot handle another child.” Regardless of these warnings she wouldn’t even consider NFP - She died delivering, the baby lived. Leaving a man with 5 children under 12 with no mother. (What is better, birth control & a mother for children, or a widower and 5 motherless children?) The Priest of the parish praised her for her choice… and made her an example for others to follow! God will provide! (Easy for someone to say that doesn’t have to provide daily care for 5 children and maintain a job & household… when there was a alternative… and DON’T preach the “abstinence” thing here… married people have/need sex. We’re human first, Catholic 2nd.).
Treated yes, Cured NO. Cancer does not go away… (yet).
Me too. A marriage will die from lack of physical intimacy
In my own experience… 4 Titanium clamps, 1/2" of plumbing removed, and 12 years is proof for me.
That couple made a choice. They chose to let go and let God. I only wish my parents had been that strong. My father had a vasctomy because my mother has a rare heart condition. They choose to listen to an idiot doctor who told them my mother would probably die around 60 (nevermind the fact they plan to operate sooner and then she’ll have a normal life span). And to our parish priest who was removed during the sex abuse scandel. I’m not saying anything bad about our former priest, I loved him, but the Church laws come first. I understood this even though i was only 11 at the time. We had a full fledge arugment over this when I found out my parents had broken the laws. We still aruge about it from time to time. My children come before my health. My soul comes before my life. For the body is only dust but the spirt is immortal. God’s plan may be different then what I would like but that doesn’t mean I should ignore it.
A marriage may die from lack of physical intimacy, but it will not die from lack of sexual intimacy. Statements like this do not show us as very different from the animals. Humans have reason. Reason seems to be worth little in this type of assertion. I know too many people who are living chaste, celibate marriages to buy into this kind of thinking.
Will you please define a single sexual act that is not physical?
We are animals… Watch the 6pm news!..
There are acts of physical intimacy that are not sexual. That is my point. A couple can be physically intimate without being sexual. This idea that sexual intimacy is the be-all-end-all is disrespectful to people who are not sexually intimate. It implies that their intimacy is somehow not as good, just because it is not sexual.
Ok. There I might agree with you. But it could be by human instinct or poor training.