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That is like saying who do you trust me or your lying eyes…
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po18guy
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With 66 books, you should be Lutheran, right? That is where the number came from.Well, you know, us pesky Protestants…
po18guy
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I am Christian. Christ founded a Church. The Church wrote the bible. I trust the bible because of the Church.
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Luvtosew
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TraditonRules
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Is that the Pelosi or Santorum version of the bible?
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Marie_Gregg
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Well, my theological tradition stems from Anglicanism. How many books of the Bible do the Anglicans have? I don’t know.
Side note: I don’t have a problem with the Intertestimental, Deuterocanonical, Apocyryphal, Whatever-You-Want-To-Call-Them books. I don’t even mind if they’re included in a separate section of the Bible. I just don’t think that they carry the same authority as the 66 books all Christians recognize, and that particular debate was going on long before Luther was ever around. (Additional side note: Luther bothers me).
po18guy
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What, exactly, do they have to do with anything? I think I know, just want to hear your thought.
po18guy
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Granted. But, why do Christians recognize even those 66 books, and not the many others that existed? Who, or what, decided way back when?
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Nicea325
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You don’t think they carry the same authority…based on what? Who determined those 66 did?
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Holly3278
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The Catholic Church does teach that the Bible is inerrant. You can read what the Catechism of the Catholic Church has to say about the Bible starting here:
scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s1c2a3.htm
scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s1c2a3.htm
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Marie_Gregg
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Ah, yes, who decided what should be in the Bible?
Well, as far as I know, the Old Testament was pretty well codified by Jewish councils and we Christians adopted it (with, of course, the exception of the debated texts). Then the councils of the Early Church (and this is where my Protestant friends get upset with me) took a lot of years to p(name removed by moderator)oint exactly what was and what was not of God, under the guidance of the Spirit. I have no problem with this. There were so many false “gospels” and other books floating around that someone had to figure out what was orthodox and what wasn’t. Did the Church “decide” what would be in the Bible, or did they recognize what was already there? I don’t pretend to exactly understand all the complexities of that process.
The thing I love most about the Bible is how I learn to know the voice of God. The more you read, the more you can recognize and run away from lies.
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Marie_Gregg
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I answered this to some extent (I think) in my post to po18guy.
The thing about the Apocrypha/Deutercanonical books is that they’ve long been debated. So, I take the view of the Anglican Articles of Religion, which states:
“The Church doth read for example of life and instruction of manners, but yet doth not apply them to establish any doctrine.”
Are their doctrines established from these books? I honestly don’t know, and that’s probably a topic for another thread.
Not exactly, my friend. Luther’s translation had 74 books, and the Lutheran Confessions never make a statement regarding which books are canon, and which are not. Lutherans practice a rather conservative approach, looking at scripture regarding whether or not, in the history of the Church, which books were in dispute, and which books were not.
There are some Lutherans who continue to use the duetero-canon liturgically.
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SteveVH
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The Bible is inerrant insofar as it is the inspired word of God. Interpretation, however, is not inerrant. Inspired writing requires, as its compliment, an authoritative interpreter or its inspired nature is useless.
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Nicea325
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But the whole “debatable argument over time” is really not that great of an argument. And why? Because the church is the one who determined what books should be make-up the canon. Case in point,the doctrine of the Trinity was long debated after made official in 325 A.D.,but the church did not waiver or bend for dissenters. Should we consider the doctrine of the Trinity open for debate still,since it was long debated?
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Marie_Gregg
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Ugh. I certainly wouldn’t want to debate the doctrine of the Trinity.
I started a new thread for this question of the canon.
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Luvtosew
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Ah, yes, who decided what should be in the Bible?
Well, as far as I know, the Old Testament was pretty well codified by Jewish councils and we Christians adopted it (with, of course, the exception of the debated texts). Then the councils of the Early Church (and this is where my Protestant friends get upset with me) took a lot of years to p(name removed by moderator)oint exactly what was and what was not of God, under the guidance of the Spirit. I have no problem with this. There were so many false “gospels” and other books floating around that someone had to figure out what was orthodox and what wasn’t. Did the Church “decide” what would be in the Bible, or did they recognize what was already there? I don’t pretend to exactly understand all the complexities of that process.
The thing I love most about the Bible is how I learn to know the voice of God. The more you read, the more you can recognize and run away from lies.]
Did you know in my NAB Catholic Bible it says anyone who reads the Bible up to 30 mins at a time receives plenary indulgences.
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Nicea325
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Marie_Gregg;8974810:
and we Christians adopted it (with, of course, the exception of the debated texts). Then the councils of the Early Church (and this is where my Protestant friends get upset with me) took a lot of years to p(name removed by moderator)oint exactly what was and what was not of God, under the guidance of the Spirit. I have no problem with this. There were so many false “gospels” and other books floating around that someone had to figure out what was orthodox and what wasn’t. Did the Church “decide” what would be in the Bible, or did they recognize what was already there? I don’t pretend to exactly understand all the complexities of that process.
The thing I love most about the Bible is how I learn to know the voice of God. The more you read, the more you can recognize and run away from lies.]
Did you know in my NAB Catholic Bible it says anyone who reads the Bible up to 30 mins at a time receives plenary indulgences.
No Jewish council codified the OT prior to Jesus life time. Many will say the Jewish historian Josephus mentions the current 66 book canon. If that were true,I wonder why a fundamentalist here at one time never answer the following:
Under whose authority?
What Jewish sect fixed the OT?
When and where was it fixed?
Why was it fixed?
po18guy
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Ready for this? Tradition.
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Nicea325
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Ready for this? Tradition.
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