Is the CCC a rule or a suggestion or?

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mikew262:
I’m not sure I understand what you are asking. If are you insinuating that non-catholic Christians have turned their back on God by not accepting the “Catholic” Truth, then I believe that is a false premise, and thus you asked an irrelevant question. The same goes if you tell a non-catholic Christian that their beliefs are foundationally built on a lie. They could make the same statement to us. If I’ve misunderstood your question, then pls clarify.
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Non Catholics who have been shown the truth and refuse to believe are culpable for this refusal.

Non Catholics who believe in Sola Scriptura are missing a great deal of truth. Yes they are turned toward’s God and seeking Him to their credit.

As fix said they can make any statement they like. That does not make it so. We have the “proofs” in the Bible, Tradition, Apostolic Succession and Magisterium.
 
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Linnyo:
The Bible, God’s word, is very clear that people who turn their back on God, or who do not believe in Christ don’t have thepromise of eternal life. (even if they believe the truth that 2+2=4. Nobody is questioning that.
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Even the non-catholic Christians believe this.
 
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buffalo:
Non Catholics who have been shown the truth and refuse to believe are culpable for this refusal.

Non Catholics who believe in Sola Scriptura are missing a great deal of truth. Yes they are turned toward’s God and seeking Him to their credit.

As fix said they can make any statement they like. That does not make it so. We have the “proofs” in the Bible, Tradition, Apostolic Succession and Magisterium.
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Even if they have been shown the truth by catholics, the chances are, that many other people will have told them different ‘truths’ so how can they possibly know which to believe. People who believe in Scripture do not deliberately turn their back on God therefore they cannot be held responsible. As long as they are doing what they believe to be right and trying to do God’s will, then they should have eternal life regardless of denomination.
 
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buffalo:
Non Catholics who have been shown the truth and refuse to believe are culpable for this refusal.
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I must be typing in greek. Non-Catholics do not believe the Catholic Truth to be the Truth; they think we have it wrong. Just as when Protestants try to convert Catholics to what they believe to be the truth, we balk at it because we think they have it wrong.

I’m not sure how many more times or ways I can say it. There truth and our truth, while similar, are not the same. Who is truly right? God only knows. Possibly we both have enough of the truth nailed down to secure salvation, assuming we faithfully live the Truth as we know it. Again, I think the Catholic Church comes the closest, but thats me.
 
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Linnyo:
Even if they have been shown the truth by catholics, the chances are, that many other people will have told them different ‘truths’ so how can they possibly know which to believe. People who believe in Scripture do not deliberately turn their back on God therefore they cannot be held responsible. As long as they are doing what they believe to be right and trying to do God’s will, then they should have eternal life regardless of denomination.
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Yep!!!
 
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mikew262:
I must be typing in greek. Non-Catholics do not believe the Catholic Truth to be the Truth; they think we have it wrong. Just as when Protestants try to convert Catholics to what they believe to be the truth, we balk at it because we think they have it wrong.

I’m not sure how many more times or ways I can say it. There truth and our truth, while similar, are not the same. Who is truly right? God only knows. Possibly we both have enough of the truth nailed down to secure salvation, assuming we faithfully live the Truth as we know it. Again, I think the Catholic Church comes the closest, but thats me.
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Not true. We know the truth. It has been Revealed to us.

Maybe we need to start there to move forward.
 
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buffalo:
Not true. We know the truth. It has been Revealed to us.

Maybe we need to start there to move forward.
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Has it really been revealed or has it been well indoctrinated? Please don’t be offended but I have a suspicion that if the Pope announced tomorrow that all Catholics were to wear their birthday suits to work then many of the people here would happily do that. I wasn’t brought up catholic and I was encouraged to question everything to gain true understanding yet I know many cradle catholics who question nothing. Is it to do with schooling?
 
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Linnyo:
Has it really been revealed or has it been well indoctrinated? Please don’t be offended but I have a suspicion that if the Pope announced tomorrow that all Catholics were to wear their birthday suits to work then many of the people here would happily do that. I wasn’t brought up catholic and I was encouraged to question everything to gain true understanding yet I know many cradle catholics who question nothing. Is it to do with schooling?
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Yes, one can be indoctrinated with the truth just as falsity. Schooling is a way to pass the basic truths of Catholicism on to the children. It is our duty to do so.

I was brought up Catholic and taught from the Catechism. At a certain age one will have this faith tested. I tested mine and would not believe on faith. Some do and there is nothing wrong with that. I came to believe after searching for the truth.

In the end a free will choice is made.
 
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Linnyo:
We agree on lots of things , don’t we? 😃
We could be promoted - a good team 😉
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I’m afraid we are 2 guppys in a pool full of piranas. Its a good thing we are right! 🙂
 
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buffalo:
Yes, one can be indoctrinated with the truth just as falsity. Schooling is a way to pass the basic truths of Catholicism on to the children. It is our duty to do so.

I was brought up Catholic and taught from the Catechism. At a certain age one will have this faith tested. I tested mine and would not believe on faith. Some do and there is nothing wrong with that. I came to believe after searching for the truth.

In the end a free will choice is made.
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Faith is constantly being tested, especially during stressful times.
 
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mikew262:
I must be typing in greek. Non-Catholics do not believe the Catholic Truth to be the Truth; they think we have it wrong. Just as when Protestants try to convert Catholics to what they believe to be the truth, we balk at it because we think they have it wrong.

I’m not sure how many more times or ways I can say it. There truth and our truth, while similar, are not the same. Who is truly right? God only knows. Possibly we both have enough of the truth nailed down to secure salvation, assuming we faithfully live the Truth as we know it. Again, I think the Catholic Church comes the closest, but thats me.
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Basically, you accept there is one truth, but we cannot know it for certain? So two people may view this one truth and have two opposing understandings and both are correct or both are incorrect? Is that what you mean?
 
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fix:
Basically, you accept there is one truth, but we cannot know it for certain? So two people may view this one truth and have two opposing understandings and both are correct or both are incorrect? Is that what you mean?
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I accept the Catholic Church’s interpretation of the Truth. Non-Catholic Christians accept their interpretation of the Truth. If they thought the Catholic Interpretation of the Truth was the bonifide one Truth, they’d all be Catholics, or we’d all just be called Christians with no denomination names.
 
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mikew262:
I accept the Catholic Church’s interpretation of the Truth. Non-Catholic Christians accept their interpretation of the Truth. If they thought the Catholic Interpretation of the Truth was the bonifide one Truth, they’d all be Catholics, or we’d all just be called Christians with no denomination names.
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Well, yes but that does not speak to the issue of who has a correct understanding of truth. Do you think both are correct? Can we not know for certain which understanding is correct?
 
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Linnyo:
Has it really been revealed or has it been well indoctrinated? Please don’t be offended but I have a suspicion that if the Pope announced tomorrow that all Catholics were to wear their birthday suits to work then many of the people here would happily do that. I wasn’t brought up catholic and I was encouraged to question everything to gain true understanding yet I know many cradle catholics who question nothing. Is it to do with schooling?
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Can truth contradict truth?
 
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fix:
Can we not know for certain which understanding is correct?
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Only through faith can we believe our version is “The” Truth. However, non-catholic Christians have as deep a faith as us Catholics do that their version is correct. There lies the dilemma.

Can we know for certain our “Truth” is correct? I guess that hinges on how deep your faith is.
 
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mikew262:
Only through faith can we believe our version is “The” Truth. However, non-catholic Christians have as deep a faith as us Catholics do that their version is correct. There lies the dilemma.
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Study the Early Church Fathers, Tradition, History and Scripture.

Revelation gives us the answer.
 
the parts you agree with are “rules” the parts you disagree with are “suggestions.”
 
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mikew262:
Only through faith can we believe our version is “The” Truth. However, non-catholic Christians have as deep a faith as us Catholics do that their version is correct. There lies the dilemma.

Can we know for certain our “Truth” is correct? I guess that hinges on how deep your faith is.
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One may sincerely believe an error, but sincerity does not equal truth.
 
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