Is the Chaldean Catholic Church in full communion with Rome?

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Hi,

Im travelling for work. The closest catholic church to my hotel is a Chaldean Catholic Church.

Is this in full communion with Rome?
Will the service be in english?

Was intended to go to ash weds service… If they have one so full communion may not matter as these are sometimes ecumenical anyway.

I am in an english speaking country.

Thanks
Gareth
 
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Short answer: yes to full communion, but probably no to ash Wednesday. I am not 100% sure on their calendar, but in the Byzantine Rite lent started Monday.
 
Although, Ash Wednesday is not a Holy Day of obligation, so you are okay on that if they do not have it.
 
Allyson said:
Short answer: yes to full communion, but probably no to ash Wednesday. I am not 100% sure on their calendar, but in the Byzantine Rite lent started Monday.
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It starts this coming Monday.
 
It wouldn’t matter if it were… attending liturgy in ANY Catholic rite satisfies a day of obligation.
 
Thanks everyone for the quick answers!

I will drive a little further. Ash wedsnesday isnt a day of obligation. I go to church mostly because I enjoy it… I am aware of my obligations though.
 
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I’d love to see a Chaldean Catholic Church!

See if they have Presanctified Liturgy on Ash/Clean Wednesday. Presanctified Liturgy is beautiful. If they do, don’t miss the opportunity to see it! 💛
 
The Chaldean Catholic Church is just as much a Catholic church as your nearest Latin Rite parish anywhere in the world. You may go there and receive any sacraments+ you wish without scruple, and it fulfills any obligation you may have. Ash Wednesday, while highly commended, is not obligatory. Whatever they do for Ash Wednesday (or its equivalent in the Chaldean church) is fine for you to participate in. It will be a good, spiritually broadening experience.
  • I said “any sacraments” — there is some provision in the Eastern rites concerning validity of marriage and having to adhere to your own rite. I’m not fully up on the intricacies of this. However, I doubt you are going to be marrying a nice Chaldean girl just from going to a Lenten service. But you never know 👩‍❤️‍👨
 
Gareth said:
Hi,

Im travelling for work. The closest catholic church to my hotel is a Chaldean Catholic Church.

Is this in full communion with Rome?
Will the service be in english?

Was intended to go to ash weds service… If they have one so full communion may not matter as these are sometimes ecumenical anyway.

I am in an english speaking country.

Thanks
Gareth
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YES, they are part of the Catholic Church
 
The liturgy will be in Aramaic
HomeschoolDad said:
I said “any sacraments” — there is some provision in the Eastern rites concerning validity of marriage and having to adhere to your own rite.
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Eastern and Western Rites can intermarry but a marriage of mixed rite is normally celebrated before the priest of the groom (and presumably according to his rite). a priest (or bishop) may marry the couple, but never a deacon.
 
InThePew said:
The liturgy will be in Aramaic
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A few years ago, in San Diego for the weekend, I planned to go to the Chaldean Qurbano (their term for the liturgy, with various spellings). But when I looked it up, it turned out that they had two, one in Aramaic, and the other in, iirc, Arabic.

So I went to the Byzantine Catholic liturgy instead.d
 
Years ago, when one of my cousins got married it was in a Maronite Catholic Church. The Qorbono was in English, Arabic and Aramaic. It was awesome (in both senses of the word) hearing the words of consecration in Aramaic - the language Our Lord spoke when He was on earth.

I figured out how to read the pew book when was about time for Holy Communion. IIRC, English goes from top to bottom, left to right while Arabic & Aramaic go from bottom to top, right to left. It was very confusing. However, once I got the hang of it no problem.

Most of all, the priest did the Qorbono very reverently ❤️. After Qorbono I got to talk to him. He was very wise. I wish I’d had another chance to meet him.
 
InThePew said:
The liturgy will be in Aramaic
I said “any sacraments” — there is some provision in the Eastern rites concerning validity of marriage and having to adhere to your own rite.
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Thank you, Father. I am well aware that Latin and Eastern Rite Catholics can freely marry one another. There is absolutely no disparity of cult. We’re all one Church. I was referring more to some arcane tidbit I’d read somewhere, to the effect of two Eastern Rite spouses not being able to marry validly before a Latin Rite priest (something that makes little sense to me), or vice versa (ditto). Not sure how that would work if one spouse were Latin and the other one Eastern. Obviously the Church has a procedure for this.
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It’s not that two EC can’t marry before a Catholic priest, but rather that an EC cannot be married before a deacon.

That said, there can be other issues about marrying before/by clergy of a different Catholic Church, but I think those go to “licit”, rather than valid".

(In Eastern Christianity, the priest, not the couple, is the minister of Matrimony–which led to a swamping of the tribunals a couple of decades ago . . .)
 
dochawk said:
It’s not that two EC can’t marry before a Catholic priest , but rather that an EC cannot be married before a deacon .

That said, there can be other issues about marrying before/by clergy of a different Catholic Church, but I think those go to “licit”, rather than valid".
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No, the way I read it, Catholics of one rite cannot validly marry before the priest of another rite, without a dispensation from their bishop, or a similar situation (faithful of one rite being put under the spiritual care of the bishop of another rite). Here is where I got it:


It’s a long read, the relevant portion is more towards the bottom.
dochawk said:
(In Eastern Christianity, the priest, not the couple, is the minister of Matrimony–which led to a swamping of the tribunals a couple of decades ago . . .)
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I don’t doubt it, but on what grounds did people “swamp” the tribunals? Was this a loophole that rendered some marriages invalid?
 
HomeschoolDad said:
No, the way I read it, Catholics of one rite cannot validly marry before the priest of another rite, without a dispensation from their bishop, or a similar situation (faithful of one rite being put under the spiritual care of the bishop of another rite). Here is where I got it:
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I’m thinking of the specific case of EC who don’t know that they are EC still bering validly married by a priest.
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I don’t doubt it, but on what grounds did people “swamp” the tribunals? Was this a loophole that rendered some marriages invalid?
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No loophole, but clear-cut lack of form: every single EC “married” by a deacon had not had proper form.
 
HomeschoolDad said:
I was referring more to some arcane tidbit I’d read somewhere, to the effect of two Eastern Rite spouses not being able to marry validly before a Latin Rite priest (something that makes little sense to me), or vice versa (ditto). Not sure how that would work if one spouse were Latin and the other one Eastern.
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The couple are (normally) married before the priest of the groom’s rite. If a Latin Rite priest wishes to marry two Eastern Rite Catholics the celebrant requires delegation from the couple’s Eparch/Bishop. If there isn’t one for the territory where the couple live, then the local Latin Rite Ordinary may either celebrate the marriage himself or (more likely) give delegation to a Latin Rite priest. Where only one of the couple ir Eastern Rite and the other protestant or non-baptised, the delegation must come from an Eastern Rite bishop or the Holy See or the Apostolic Nuncio.

Without such a delegation the marriage is invalid.
 
Yes, the Chaldean Catholic Church is an Eastern patriarchal church in full communion with the Holy See.

The Chaldean Catholic Church uses the East Syriac liturgical rite and its liturgy is celebrated in Syriac, a dialect of Aramaic: the language Our Lord spoke.

I believe in their calendar today is the feast of St Alexander so I do not think they will be having any form of Ash Wednesday liturgy.

As a Catholic you can go and receive Communion. As Ash Wednesday is not a holy day of obligation you do not have to attend Mass today. If you go to the Chaldean Catholic Church you will not get ashes imposed on you.
 
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