Is the Church doing enough for the poor?

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Scripture is very clear and I agree about the priority thing. **But **how do we help the poor if they are not even allowed to be born??
The right to life is foundation to all other rights. But as the culture of death permeates our culture increasingly people are claiming the best way to help the poor is to make sure they are never born. Nothing new here-it used to be called “eugenics” now its called “population control”. But note that nobody is funding population control efforts in affluent areas-it is always directed at the poor.
 
You keep bringing this up, but can you cite one person who claims that voting for government policy changes absolves us of all responsibility to the poor?
He is not going to name names. But there are people, I’ve met some, too, who think that it is the Church’s responsibility and the government’s responsibility and the super wealthy’s responsibility to take care of the poor so they excuse themselves from contributing their money because they are waiting to win the lotto before they give their money to help the poor.
 
He is not going to name names. But there are people, I’ve met some, too, who think that it is the Church’s responsibility and the government’s responsibility and the super wealthy’s responsibility to take care of the poor so they excuse themselves from contributing their money because they are waiting to win the lotto before they give their money to help the poor.
I think that you are missing the point. Sure, there are greedy Catholics just like there are greedy businessmen and greedy government bureaucrats. But whenever the discussion of government benefits to the poor occurs, Estesbob will show up and claim that there are those who argue that having the government take care of the poor absolves us of all personal responsibility to the poor. Nobody of course, actually claims that, which is why he never responds when ask to give his source for his claim.
 
I think that you are missing the point. Sure, there are greedy Catholics just like there are greedy businessmen and greedy government bureaucrats. But whenever the discussion of government benefits to the poor occurs, Estesbob will show up and claim that there are those who argue that having the government take care of the poor absolves us of all personal responsibility to the poor. Nobody of course, actually claims that, which is why he never responds when ask to give his source for his claim.
Where is your proof that “nobody actually claims that”?
 
You keep bringing this up, but can you cite one person who claims that voting for government policy changes absolves us of all responsibility to the poor?
I would suggest you go back to any of the threads during election season when Catholics were telling us why it was OK to vote for Obama and other candidates who support abortion.

And then there are these types of declarations:

Anyone that’s familiar with the Bible, anything like that…When Jesus said that you’re going straight to Hell if you didn’t treat the lesser of his brothers and sisters…and what did he say? He said he was hungry, that you didn’t give him food stamps, he was thirsty, that you didn’t purify the water, that he was naked, and you didn’t give him Social Security
Can you imagine if 60 million Catholics became missionaries just for the poor, the sick and the uninsured?

Rep Charles Rangel
 
I think that you are missing the point. Sure, there are greedy Catholics just like there are greedy businessmen and greedy government bureaucrats. But whenever the discussion of government benefits to the poor occurs, Estesbob will show up and claim that there are those who argue that having the government take care of the poor absolves us of all personal responsibility to the poor. Nobody of course, actually claims that, which is why he never responds when ask to give his source for his claim.
It is one of the core tenants of the Democrat Party.
 
I would suggest you go back to any of the threads during election season when Catholics were telling us why it was OK to vote for Obama and other candidates who support abortion.

And then there are these types of declarations:

Anyone that’s familiar with the Bible, anything like that…When Jesus said that you’re going straight to Hell if you didn’t treat the lesser of his brothers and sisters…and what did he say? He said he was hungry, that you didn’t give him food stamps, he was thirsty, that you didn’t purify the water, that he was naked, and you didn’t give him Social Security
Can you imagine if 60 million Catholics became missionaries just for the poor, the sick and the uninsured?

Rep Charles Rangel
Well, at least you quoted a Catholic, but of course, this says nothing about these programs absolving us of our personal responsibility to the poor.
 
It is one of the core tenants of the Democrat Party.
The Democrat party, like the Republican party is not a religious organization. Neither has a claim an any personal responsibility that we individually may or may not have. If you become a Catholic, you have a personal responsibility to the poor. If you become a democrat or republican, you bring no individual responsibility on yourself.
 
The right to life is foundation to all other rights. But as the culture of death permeates our culture increasingly people are claiming the best way to help the poor is to make sure they are never born. Nothing new here-it used to be called “eugenics” now its called “population control”. But note that nobody is funding population control efforts in affluent areas-it is always directed at the poor.
Pope Francis spoke of a ‘disposable culture’. If life is not respected at conception it is not going to be respected at any stage rich or poor.
 
The Democrat party, like the Republican party is not a religious organization. Neither has a claim an any personal responsibility that we individually may or may not have. If you become a Catholic, you have a personal responsibility to the poor. If you become a democrat or republican, you bring no individual responsibility on yourself.
A Republican or democrat running for office who was either a Catholic, protestant, Jew or even a muslim would be expected to bring his/her values into the political arena. And rightly so
 
I believe that what the Church has been doing for the poor is fine, but I think it fails to inform people just how serious of a problem it is. EWTN, for example, could do a LOT more to educate its audience about the problem. Like I mentioned in other posts, it will not be until the mass media drills it into society that extreme poverty is a crime against humanity that an effective plan is developed and funding is found. Pope Francis, OTOH, could turn all that around.

LOVE! ❤️
 
I believe that what the Church has been doing for the poor is fine, but I think it fails to inform people just how serious of a problem it is. EWTN, for example, could do a LOT more to educate its audience about the problem. Like I mentioned in other posts, it will not be until the mass media drills it into society that extreme poverty is a crime against humanity that an effective plan is developed and funding is found. Pope Francis, OTOH, could turn all that around.

LOVE! ❤️
The mass media is convoluted and agenda driven by a small group who can sway public opinion by throwing money at it. Pope Francis on the other hand has dedicated his primacy to the poor. We need facts reported, not spin on the topic with media. The BBC just came under fire last week for this as did CNN and others. We don’t care about what they think, and they can blog their opinion. I just want to know the facts, not hear the abortion and immigration agenda along with 10-different media stations in which one must discern the facts. Its preposterous.

The Church is “us”, and there is no end to doing good. The Churchs social message is Matthew 25. And they live it worldwide. We cannot point blame at the Church without blaming ourselves.
 
I believe that what the Church has been doing for the poor is fine, but I think it fails to inform people just how serious of a problem it is. EWTN, for example, could do a LOT more to educate its audience about the problem. Like I mentioned in other posts, it will not be until the mass media drills it into society that extreme poverty is a crime against humanity that an effective plan is developed and funding is found. Pope Francis, OTOH, could turn all that around.

LOVE! ❤️
Very true!
 
I guess Robert Stock is that poverty is not attractive nor does it attract beautiful and powerful people. That is why you won’t hear of it at length in our society nor as you mentioned even on Catholic t.v…
 
:angel1::angel1:Yesterday, as I looked about a large table of the homeless all waiting patiently for their paper bowl of soup I had a feeling I was among angels. An overflow of gentle souls overwhelmed me. I got some what teary eyed when it resounded in my soul. Truly, our Lord resides with the poor. All were so patient and waiting for a humble and simple meal. May the Lord continue to bless us with the poor.
 
The following day it wasn’t quite the same. A large mass of homeless we’re being served in a very nice and large dining area. The meals were very good and the helpers very attentive and helpful. In the Methodist Church it served about 100 or so. I happened to meet a mother with 3 of her kids; 6,3,1 yrs. old. 2 little girls and the eldest boy. All waiting patiently to be served. Meals were served, One of the first person I was able to talk to told my about the apocalypse we will be going through and the One World Government and Religion. He ate his meal stood up and said a blessing to the Anti-Christ. Kinda creepy but he appeared harmless and mixed up. The meals served by this congregation went well and all seemed very pleased and happy with it. 🍕🍰:coffee::bible1::hey_bud: :curtsey::yyeess:
 
My apologies to anyone who complains about this problem, but in terms of spirituality, what a stupid question. I get tired of people saying the Church needs to do this, the Church needs to do that in regards to the poor… probably the same people that say government needs to do this, government needs to do that. Because when the end of the world comes when God is judging you, he isn’t going to ask, what government or church policies did you advocate for? It’s going to be about you and you alone. Most of the people who ask these types of questions are more concerned with other people doing such work as an official job rather than as a volunteer, not wanting to do anything themselves.

Sadly in this political climate and country it is very hard to feel bad for the poor as we don’t distinguish between the working poor and the welfare poor, only one of which actually needs the material help from the Church. Plus the level of poverty in this country is absurd compared to the rest of the world, the guy on the streets in the US probably makes more money than half of the world in a years worth of begging.

The real question is, am I doing enough for the poor?
 
Jesus said himself if you have helped the poor and homeless with things they may need then **heaven **awaits you ’ I was hungry, and you gave me to eat. I was thirsty and you gave me to drink…’ If you don’t help your fellow man judgment is upon you and you will go to **hell.:eek: **Mat 25;34… very clear.
 
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