Is the cloth used to wipe the chalice a sanitary cloth?

[Cathryn]

That’s not true. A typical/approved cloth purificator could indeed be treated with a germ-killing agent before it was used. I’m not sure that it would be practical or or any real value but there is no specific prohibition from doing something like that.

Just because it is not specifically prohibited, does not mean it can be allowed to come in contact with the Precious Blood. Only a real purificator, not Clorox wipes, or Clorox spray. There are procedures that must be followed. I am a sacristan and would defend the Precious Blood from this type of abuse. The Sacred Linen can not be laundered as usual until the linen is soaked in pure water so that the Precious Blood is no longer there. This water is poured into the sacrarium or the ground. Then the purificators and corporal are washed as usual, even a little bleach can then be added to remove stains, but never without the sacred rinse first. No soap, bleach or disinfectant while the Precious Blood remains. In the chalice itself, during the distribution, the Precious Blood is there.

 

[Jegudiel]

Just because it is not specifically prohibited, does not mean it can be allowed to come in contact with the Precious Blood. Only a real purificator, not Clorox wipes, or Clorox spray. There are procedures that must be followed. I am a sacristan and would defend the Precious Blood from this type of abuse. The Sacred Linen can not be laundered as usual until the linen is soaked in pure water so that the Precious Blood is no longer there. This water is poured into the sacrarium or the ground. Then the purificators and corporal are washed as usual, even a little bleach can then be added to remove stains, but never without the sacred rinse first. No soap, bleach or disinfectant while the Precious Blood remains. In the chalice itself, during the distribution, the Precious Blood is there.

I didn’t mention Clorox wipes, or Clorox spray. You did. Here is what I said:

“A typical/approved cloth purificator could indeed be treated with a germ-killing agent before it was used. If purificators were unfolded and say misted with 100% grain alcohol just prior to Mass their use would in no way impact holy communion. I’m not sure that doing this would be practical or of any real value but there is no specific prohibition from doing something like that.”

Obviously a sacristan could not do that on their own volition but a pastor or bishop could certainly approve such a procedure. While it might have absolutely no practical value (and thus no reason to do it) it would in no way profane the Eucharist.

I didn’t mention the process of cleaning purificators so I won’t comment on what you wrote.

 

[paperwight66]

Just because it is not specifically prohibited, does not mean it can be allowed to come in contact with the Precious Blood. Only a real purificator, not Clorox wipes, or Clorox spray. There are procedures that must be followed. I am a sacristan and would defend the Precious Blood from this type of abuse. The Sacred Linen can not be laundered as usual until the linen is soaked in pure water so that the Precious Blood is no longer there. This water is poured into the sacrarium or the ground. Then the purificators and corporal are washed as usual, even a little bleach can then be added to remove stains, but never without the sacred rinse first. No soap, bleach or disinfectant while the Precious Blood remains. In the chalice itself, during the distribution, the Precious Blood is there.

I am interested in your description of the process .

But I wouldn’t use the term ‘Sacred Linen’ as surely it hasn’t been blessed?

i am interested because I am a sacristan, and can say we don’t do this. Purificators are checked, and of course, if there is reason to believe they have absorbed some of the Precious Blood, they are rinsed, but the vast majority of the sixty or so we use each week are merely boil-washed and ironed. We are a reverent parish, but this rinsing has never been mentioned in the 30 years and many parish priests I have been working there. We don’t in fact have a sacrarium, so any bowl of water would need to be carried to the door and out into the garden.

I was wondering if we were the exception or if your parish is? Can you quote the document where it says they all have to be rinsed first?

(And also, what is ‘pure’ water?)

 

[paperwight66]

And, of course, once the Precious Blood is so diluted that it no longer has the appearance of wine, it is no longer the Real Presence. So surely that would mean that any rinse water does not need to be treated with such reverence as needing to be tipped on the ground or down a sacrarium?

 

[Cathryn]

**Redemptionis Sacramentum **

[120.] Let Pastors take care that the linens for the sacred table, especially those which will receive the sacred species, are always kept clean and that they are washed in the traditional way. It is praiseworthy for this to be done by pouring the water from the first washing, done by hand, into the church’s sacrarium or into the ground in a suitable place. After this a second washing can be done in the usual way.

Angeles Press has publication called Handbook for Laundering Liturgical Linen. First printing July 2008

The Corporal and the Purificator are set apart for a special purpose, usually designated by a small cross. Traditionally the sacred linen is blessed by a priest or bishop before ever being used. When it is no longer fit to be used at the altar it should be burned.

In answer to why rise water is poured down the sacrarium or onto the ground, it is because of what it has been used for.

 

[paperwight66]

Ah, I see, thank you. So ‘praiseworthy’ and not mandatory.

Another example of how sometimes commonsense and regard for particular circumstances prevail over tradition. In our case, there is no sacrarium, so any bowl of water would have to be carried - after unlocking two internal doors - through to the front door of the priest’s connecting house, unlock that door, and thence outside (in the rain, or snow possibly) to a flower-bed. Just as well it’s not mandatory.

 

[Cathryn]

As far a germ killing agents sprayed on purificators, no. Traditionally even starch is not sprayed on purificators, but is allowed on corporals if desired, (starch is a natural wheat product). The Church according to its document wants the traditional methods of washing and preparing the altar linen.

 

[paperwight66]

I would think germ-killing spray on the purificators would be unwise, in case anyone was allergic to the ingredients.

Ours are always lightly starched, though.

 

[triumphguy]

Ah, I see, thank you. So ‘praiseworthy’ and not mandatory.

Another example of how sometimes commonsense and regard for particular circumstances prevail over tradition. In our case, there is no sacrarium, so any bowl of water would have to be carried - after unlocking two internal doors - through to the front door of the priest’s connecting house, unlock that door, and thence outside (in the rain, or snow possibly) to a flower-bed. Just as well it’s not mandatory.

I always understood that it was mandatory for the sink in the sacristy to empty directly into the earth outside, precisely for the cleaning of altar vessels and cloths.

 

[Cathryn]

i am interested because I am a sacristan, and can say we don’t do this. Purificators are checked, and of course, if there is reason to believe they have absorbed some of the Precious Blood, they are rinsed, but the vast majority of the sixty or so we use each week are merely boil-washed and ironed. We are a reverent parish, but this rinsing has never been mentioned in the 30 years and many parish priests I have been working there. We don’t in fact have a sacrarium, so any bowl of water would need to be carried to the door and out into the garden.

I was wondering if we were the exception or if your parish is? Can you quote the document where it says they all have to be rinsed first?

(And also, what is ‘pure’ water?)

I am very surprised that most of your Purificators don’t absorb some of the Precious Blood. My parish uses red wine and it is clearly on most of our Purificators used in the Mass. Maybe you are just not seeing the Precious Blood because you are using white wine. In any case, the traditional rinse is required, by the Church, not just on the Purificators but the Corporals as well. The soaking of the Corporals disolve the fragments and particles of the Host.

 

[paperwight66]

I always understood that it was mandatory for the sink in the sacristy to empty directly into the earth outside, precisely for the cleaning of altar vessels and cloths.

No, that was explained in another thread. There are strict planning rules nowadays about discharging waste water. It cannot be discharged other than into the sewer. Churches built in the last thirty years or so don’t have sacrariums for that reason, and ours has been blocked up - I presume following some inspection or other.

 

[maryjk]

No, that was explained in another thread. There are strict planning rules nowadays about discharging waste water. It cannot be discharged other than into the sewer. Churches built in the last thirty years or so don’t have sacrariums for that reason, and ours has been blocked up - I presume following some inspection or other.

Churches in certain areas may not have one. Ours was built in 2009 and it has one.

 

[larsenl1]

No, that was explained in another thread. There are strict planning rules nowadays about discharging waste water. It cannot be discharged other than into the sewer. Churches built in the last thirty years or so don’t have sacrariums for that reason, and ours has been blocked up - I presume following some inspection or other.

I imagine that waste water rules vary between Great Britain, France, Canada, USA, Mexico, etc.

I my parish, Iowa USA, we have a sacrarium that empties into the ground, not into a sewer.

 

[Cathryn]

Ah, I see, thank you. So ‘praiseworthy’ and not mandatory.

Another example of how sometimes commonsense and regard for particular circumstances prevail over tradition. In our case, there is no sacrarium, so any bowl of water would have to be carried - after unlocking two internal doors - through to the front door of the priest’s connecting house, unlock that door, and thence outside (in the rain, or snow possibly) to a flower-bed. Just as well it’s not mandatory.

We have no sacrarium, but the pastor, still wants to do what is praiseworthy, and I carry the container through the Church quite far to go to a place that the priest has designated, and it is frequently in heavy rain. I pour it on the foundation or dedication stone. I actually love it, and don’t see it as a burden. It is strongly encouraged that sacrariums still be installled in churchs, so that it does not have to be so inconvienient. In any case the traditional rinse is a must do.

 

[larsenl1]

For people who are ill, impaired immunity, or some other medical reason should avoid the Chalice for their own safety. It’s foolish to potentially deadly to take such an unnecessary risk.

Sometimes on this type of thread there is a great lack of Charity to the sick. Or is the Roman Catholic Church only for the healthy (and wealthy)?

Also if you feel like your sick, you have an obligation to pass by the Chalice.

what makes you suggest this accusation? The Roman Catholic Church is for all people, of all health and all financial situations. Goodness, we have a FREE medical clinic with a pediatrician and a dentist!

According to the priest at my parish, Holy Communion is healing. Granted, someone truly with an immunity deficiency could abstain from the Precious Blood, but that is a personal choice. A dear friend is very sick with Lupus and she receives the Precious Blood. To claim that one posting facts from medical science does not indicate no charity. I think it indicates the opposite, great charity. Please, if at all possible, receive the Precious Blood.

 

[HelenRose]

We have no sacrarium, but the pastor, still wants to do what is praiseworthy, and I carry the container through the Church quite far to go to a place that the priest has designated, and it is frequently in heavy rain. I pour it on the foundation or dedication stone. I actually love it, and don’t see it as a burden. It is strongly encouraged that sacrariums still be installled in churchs, so that it does not have to be so inconvienient. In any case the traditional rinse is a must do.

I can see that this is an honor. One can make it a private walk for Christ.

 

[Cathryn]

Chapter VI of the General Instructions of the Roman Missal Third Edition (the new one):

1. The practice should be kept of building in the sacristy a sacrarium into which is poured the water from the washing of sacred vessels and linens
   (cf. no. 280).

 

[Cathryn]

General Instructions of the Roman Missal 3rd Edition (latest)

1. If a host or any particle should fall, it is to be picked up reverently; and if any of the Precious Blood is spilled, the area where the spill occurred should be washed with water, and this water should then be poured into the sacrarium in the sacristy.

Pouring the water into the ground is more than just praiseworth. It is also in the GIRM.

 

[englishredrose]

admittedly it dont taste nice on the lips but lipstick is a great bug deterant so if you come after a female wearing heavy lipstick you be protected anyway.

a lot of people I notice are given the wafer in their hand and they take it and dip it into the chalice and receive the blood that way

 

[maryjk]

admittedly it dont taste nice on the lips but lipstick is a great bug deterant so if you come after a female wearing heavy lipstick you be protected anyway.

a lot of people I notice are given the wafer in their hand and they take it and dip it into the chalice and receive the blood that way

:nope::nope:

They should be doing that, and the minister should be stopping them.