Is the desire and enjoyment of sexual pleasure during marital intercourse sinful?

[BoomBoomMancini]

No sex after menopause? Yes.

No sex outside the fertile period? Yes. Couples can flip NFP around for this purpose.

Avoiding pleasure in the act itself? Yes. Arousal and orgasm are the spoonful of sugar to make the medicine go down. But no one would take medicine just to get the sugar, and the sugar itself does not make the medicine more efficacious.

A sexual counter-revolution has to go right to the root of the problem–legitimation of all sexual activity for the purpose of pleasure alone–and tear it right out.

Serious question: have you had your hormones tested? Your disinterest in sex is extreme and, frankly, kind of unsettling. There’s no theological basis for it all, and you seem to have a visceral disgust surrounding the act. It’s pretty aberrant.

I don’t mean this as an insult, but you should consider talking to someone, especially since you’re married. A priest, a doctor, a therapist, any and all of the above. Your extremism on this topic is, simply put, weird.

 

[AdamP88]

Serious question: have you had your hormones tested? Your disinterest in sex is extreme and, frankly, kind of unsettling. There’s no theological basis for it all, and you seem to have a visceral disgust surrounding the act. It’s pretty aberrant.

I don’t mean this as an insult, but you should consider talking to someone, especially since you’re married. A priest, a doctor, a therapist, any and all of the above. Your extremism on this topic is, simply put, weird.

Indeed. If you think this is what the normal state of sex between spouses should be then you are flawed in your interpretation of theology.

Out of curiosity, can you explain why you believe sex should occur without pleasure for the couple, and what church documents you have read to come to this conclusion?

 

[Sampson_Brass]

The excellent work of Dr. Jay Bond, for one.

St. Augustine on the Good of Marriage, for another.

And Casti Connubi.

Which are only a few of the works I have read in support of my position.

 

[Sampson_Brass]

Serious question: have you had your hormones tested? Your disinterest in sex is extreme and, frankly, kind of unsettling. There’s no theological basis for it all, and you seem to have a visceral disgust surrounding the act. It’s pretty aberrant.

I don’t mean this as an insult, but you should consider talking to someone, especially since you’re married. A priest, a doctor, a therapist, any and all of the above. Your extremism on this topic is, simply put, weird.

Yes, I have been tested and found to have normal, healthy levels of testosterone.

I’ve done the sex therapy bit, and for all the work I put into it, came out less interested in sex after a year.

I have run the gamut and matters have not changed materially. I have done so, not for myself, but for my wife. There is only so much you can do before the question changes from “How do I solve the problem?” to “How do I know this is a problem?”

 

[Rau]

The excellent work of Dr. Jay Bond, for one.

St. Augustine on the Good of Marriage, for another.

And Casti Connubi.

Which are only a few of the works I have read in support of my position.

I assume Pius XII - which has been quoted for you on another thread - is one you’d rather not consider?

Could you quote the sections of Casti Connubi which teach that sexual relations should only be had during fertile times, with the objective of conceiving children, and that one should endeavour to avoid experiencing any pleasure …which I understand captures the key points of “your position”]?

 

[Rau]

Yes, I have been tested and found to have normal, healthy levels of testosterone.

I’ve done the sex therapy bit, and for all the work I put into it, came out less interested in sex after a year.

I have run the gamut and matters have not changed materially. I have done so, not for myself, but for my wife. There is only so much you can do before the question changes from “How do I solve the problem?” to “How do I know this is a problem?”

It would be a problem if you and your wife are at odds over your sexual relationship.

It is a problem that you propose here an attitude to sexual relationships in marriage that is in conflict with catholic teaching.

 

[BoomBoomMancini]

Yes, I have been tested and found to have normal, healthy levels of testosterone.

I’ve done the sex therapy bit, and for all the work I put into it, came out less interested in sex after a year.

I have run the gamut and matters have not changed materially. I have done so, not for myself, but for my wife. There is only so much you can do before the question changes from “How do I solve the problem?” to “How do I know this is a problem?”

It’s possible that you’re just one of those very rare people who is genuinely asexual. They’re quite rare, from what I understand, but they do exist. Maybe you’re one of them.

If that’s the case, then that’s fine, but you really shouldn’t be encouraging what works for you in a highly unusual situation for everyone else. What you’re advocating would be disastrous if it were the general rule.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Yes, I have been tested and found to have normal, healthy levels of testosterone.

I’ve done the sex therapy bit, and for all the work I put into it, came out less interested in sex after a year.

I have run the gamut and matters have not changed materially. I have done so, not for myself, but for my wife. There is only so much you can do before the question changes from “How do I solve the problem?” to “How do I know this is a problem?”

But certainly you realize that your attitude on this thread and your theological opinion are tainted by your condition, that yours is not the norm. Right?