Is the Glories of Mary heretical?

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TheNeutral. Something about your angst with Our Ladies role in salvation history. I think it’s a display of a strong belief. No doubt about it. Someone who would experience the kind of rejection you seem to, usually only happens to members of a family. The dark night of the soul is an experience of feeling rejected by God, but the opposite is true.
 
Dear Blessed Mother, please help and give grace to TheNeutral who keeps expressing such problems with you.
Open his eyes as you did to Bruno Comacchiola.
I also pray in reparation for the repeated insults you are subjected to on these forums.
In Jesus’ name I humbly pray. Amen.
 
You know in the Old Testament there is a scene when Salomon’s mother , Bathsheba, wants to speak with him. When a person entered the throne room, they had to bow to the the king, but when Bathsheba came into the room Salomon would leave his throne and honor her instead. No one seemed to be scandalized over this, why? Because she was his mom. Also, in Israel, the mother of the King was the Queen ( Queen Mother) due to the fact that there were usually multiple wives. Plus, I think in scripture we can see that this is pretty clear. In the Gospel of St. John, when they run out of wine at the wedding feast, Our Lord tells Our Lady that His time hasn’t come when she asks Him for help with the wine shortage, but He actually ends up doing it. Why? Because she is His mom. Not just that, but His perfect creature. If God doesn’t let Himself be outdone in generosity, do you think He’d deny the person who gave Him everything anything? Remember that she didn’t just give Him her life, her body, her soul, but she also ( like Abraham) allowed her Only Beloved Son and God to be sacrificed. She is the only one who, along With God The Father Almighty, can say that She saw Her Son die on that cross. She is the only one that shares that pain with Him. He will deny her nothing because she denied Him nothing, and He is not an ungrateful God. He is the God who made the 4th commandment, you’d Imagine that He’d be a better son than Salomon.
 
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Lets look at the context:

"He (God) has supreme dominion over all and also over Mary; nevertheless, it can always be said that for a time at least, when He was living in this world, He was pleased to humble himself and be subject to Mary. Says St. Ambrose, Jesus Christ having deigned to make Mary His Mother, inasmuch as He was her Son, He was truly obliged to obey her. And for this reason, says Richard of St. Laurence, "Of other Saints we say that they are with God; but of Mary alone can it be said that she was so far favored as to be not only herself submissive to the will of God, but even that God was subject to her will.

Therefore we say that, even though Mary can no longer command her Son, since they are not on earth any more, still her prayers are always the prayers of a Mother and are therefore most powerful in obtaining whatever she asks.

At the command of Mary all obey, even God"

As we can see before the text fully supports that God is the ultimate authority. However the last part is in reference to his filial obedience (Honor your Father and Mother) that God would be disposed to answer her petition. I believe that is the intent.
 
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On the last day, those who reject the Lord’s Mother will see her beside Him, still loving them deeply.
It will be a very humbling experience.
I will pray for you.
No one, anywhere, or in any age, can take ANYTHING away from God.
 
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You don’t think Jesus, who is God, obeyed His mother? Did He not obey the 4th Commandment to honor His mother? It specifically says He was subject to her in Scripture. We see an example of it at Cana even later in His life.

It would be Nestorian to say God did not obey Mary.
 
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The Blessed Virgin Immaculate Heart is so according to God’s Will that there’s no conflict, it’s impossible to her to “order” something that would displease the Lord.
Ora pro nobis, Sancta Dei Genitrix!
Ut digni efficiamur promissionibus Christi.
Amen
 
You know the Catholic Church teaches that Mary is a creature (the greatest and most perfect) and that only God’s Sovereignty is absolute, and that her unfathomable greatness and power comes from Him, so why do you take issue with His Mother?

“And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject to them.”
(Luke 2:51)

Some great quotes that illustrate this apparent paradox from St. Louis de Montfort’s True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin:

“When we see her, we see our own human nature at its purest. She is not the sun, dazzling our weak sight by the brightness of its rays. Rather, she is fair and gentle as the moon, which receives its light from the sun and softens it and adapts it to our limited perception. She is so full of love that no one who asks for her intercession is rejected, no matter how sinful he may be. The saints say that it has never been known since the world began that anyone had recourse to our Blessed Lady, with trust and perseverance, and was rejected. Her power is so great that her prayers are never refused. She has but to appear in prayer before her Son and he at once welcomes her and grants her requests. He is always lovingly conquered by the prayers of the dear Mother who bore him and nourished him.”

“satan fears her not only more than all angels and men, but in a sense more than God Himself. Not that the anger, the hatred and the power of God are not infinitely greater than those of the Blessed Virgin, for the perfections of Mary are limited; but first, because satan, being proud, suffers infinitely more from being beaten and punished by a little and humble handmaid of God, and her humility humbles him more than the divine power…”
 
God doesn’t have to obey Mary out of necessity but why would God not willingly choose to obey Mary out of love for her, as a father might choose to obey the commands of his young daughter while playing together, especially since Mary would never ask anyone, including God Himself, to do anything contrary to the will of God?
 
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First Portuguese edition of Saint Alphonso of Liguori’s “Glories of Mary”, printed 1786 Lisboa. One year before his death, his first work translated to Portuguese. Before he was canonized or declared doctor of the church.

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Don’t confuse private revelation and romance language with Doctrine.
 
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This is a stumbling stone for many Protestants, specially calvinists.
Until very recently I was used to the dry style of the puritans and when I first read Saint Louis I was at the same time fascinated with his style and confused with the way he talked about the Virgin Mary.
Puritans write about God in a distant way, like a scholar exposing his theses; Catholics like Chesterton and St. Louis write about the Lord like He’s a close friend.
I thank God every day for showing me His True Church.
 
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You know in the Old Testament there is a scene when Salomon’s mother , Bathsheba, wants to speak with him. When a person entered the throne room, they had to bow to the the king, but when Bathsheba came into the room Salomon would leave his throne and honor her instead. No one seemed to be scandalized over this, why? Because she was his mom. Also, in Israel, the mother of the King was the Queen ( Queen Mother) due to the fact that there were usually multiple wives. Plus, I think in scripture we can see that this is pretty clear. In the Gospel of St. John, when they run out of wine at the wedding feast, Our Lord tells Our Lady that His time hasn’t come when she asks Him for help with the wine shortage, but He actually ends up doing it. Why? Because she is His mom. Not just that, but His perfect creature. If God doesn’t let Himself be outdone in generosity, do you think He’d deny the person who gave Him everything anything? Remember that she didn’t just give Him her life, her body, her soul, but she also ( like Abraham) allowed her Only Beloved Son and God to be sacrificed. She is the only one who, along With God The Father Almighty, can say that She saw Her Son die on that cross. She is the only one that shares that pain with Him. He will deny her nothing because she denied Him nothing, and He is not an ungrateful God. He is the God who made the 4th commandment, you’d Imagine that He’d be a better son than Salomon.
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Heaven is supposed to be different than Earth, not the same. Why should the Earthly rule customs be transferred into Heaven? Why must Mary be elevated at our expense? When compelled by Christ, the Devil confessed that a single sigh from Mary is worth more than the clamor of all the saints. This isn’t “romantic” language, conjecture, nor hyperbole. He was dead serious because he had to be. This is preposterity in it’s purest form. You all probably know what I’m going to say next, but might as well for any newcomers: Why not just do the bare minimum for salvation if your efforts are never good enough? Every time I even get a sliver of light in the darkness or even a breath of hope, Mary at once blots it out with Her strange powers and authorities. Also, Jesus rewarding Mary for her “obedience” seems rather crooked, considering she was “conceived without sin”. Rewarding a perfect being who was walking with Christ himself (unlike Adam/Eve who just had a voice) to sin, would be like “rewarding” a child for not climbing Mt. Everest and sh-oting everybody down. It would require Mary more effort to sin that it would for a dog to move a mountain, and yet she gets rewarded like she had to suffer through Original Sin like us? Cheating at it’s finest. Thank you, Jesus.
 
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Why not just do the bare minimum for salvation if your efforts are never good enough? Every time I even get a sliver of light in the darkness or even a breath of hope, Mary at once blots it out with Her strange powers and authorities.
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This is a very sad thing to read, that someone should look at it this way.

We do the best we can because we love God. Not that I’m not often selfish and act like I deserve recognition and reward; but if our love is true, then “It is a more blessed thing to give, rather than to receive.” (Acts 20:35). If we are seeking to do “the bare minimum” then we are clearly not even doing the bare minimum at all, because there is no love in that.

God bless.
 
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