Is the "I don't know" argument valid?

[joandarc2008]

Maybe there are just no smart atheists left. All that smart ones have proved there is a God and are holding out on us for own good to so we can keep our Fatih pure. :thankyou: Just kidding kind of.

Me, my fiance and I just closed on a house in the Florida keys. We will be converting little by little to save money on energy but probably won’t go fully green. The keys is a great place to do it as many people there are very environmentally conscious. Especially since we are living right off the federal preserve with key deer for neighbors. They are little dog size deer that are endangered species. You get in more trouble there for hitting one of those with a car than you do for hitting a human. One of my friends had a real problem with that so I explained to him that key deer are endangered and stupid humans aren’t.

I have enjoyed this thread immensely thank you. Although I have to admit I cannot imbibe due to medical issues.

God bless,

 

[JDaniel]

yeah, im poor so i was looking at something i can do myself cheap like rammed earth, or adobe. i don’t care about having material things, this laptop is the most expensive thing i own, next to my pick up. feel kinda bad is spent the money on it, but i cant apply at a lot of prisons without it, save me a lot of driving

yeah, if we can kick that stool out from underneath them, then all the other arguments they spin will fall apart like the sandcastle that they really are. once thy find out you are determined then they tend to find easier pickings,

yeah i got a good i.q. but in my case it only proves that i am good at taking iq tests, doesn’ help me too much other wise, i need someone who can flesh out my ideas, make them whole and understandable, so to speak

we need stronger atheists, our arguments look at this point strong enough to prevail, but they need harder tests.

where could we find fresh victims?
and the whole adult argument thing is important, so many want to descend into name calling or avoid the issue.
i need to read some books by the troika of hate, see what they specifically say.

jbut i think they spend alot of time arguing with fundamentalist protestants, definitely our allies, but definitely cannon fodder.

protestants argue all the wrong issues. all you have to do is attack the atheist basis, no G-d exists, and then they don’t have a fall back position

but protestants want to argue established science. right or wrong people will dismiss you as a crackpot if you don’t accept agreed science.

so lets find fresh meat and see if we can takie it, good nite

I’m partially ready when you are!

JD

 

[JDaniel]

Maybe there are just no smart atheists left. All that smart ones have proved there is a God and are holding out on us for own good to so we can keep our Fatih pure. :thankyou: Just kidding kind of.

Me, my fiance and I just closed on a house in the Florida keys. We will be converting little by little to save money on energy but probably won’t go fully green. The keys is a great place to do it as many people there are very environmentally conscious. Especially since we are living right off the federal preserve with key deer for neighbors. They are little dog size deer that are endangered species. You get in more trouble there for hitting one of those with a car than you do for hitting a human. One of my friends had a real problem with that so I explained to him that key deer are endangered and stupid humans aren’t.

I have enjoyed this thread immensely thank you. Although I have to admit I cannot imbibe due to medical issues.

God bless,

The Keys! That’s precisely where I want to retire. I have experienced Key West and most of the Keys many times. I am, among other things, a pilot, yet, I feel closer to God from the Keys than I have ever felt at 10,000 feet - unless I was descending very fast.

Good idea, to keep your green home a work in progress. I’m so jealous!

Sorry about the medical condition, although, that means more for me :clapping:

JD

 

[warpspeedpetey]

The Keys! That’s precisely where I want to retire. I have experienced Key West and most of the Keys many times. I am, among other things, a pilot, yet, I feel closer to God from the Keys than I have ever felt at 10,000 feet - unless I was descending very fast.

Good idea, to keep your green home a work in progress. I’m so jealous!

Sorry about the medical condition, although, that means more for me :clapping:

JD

i totally tried to plan a trip to the keys last year, i just couldn’t find a way to afford it, i want to see the conch republic, that would be great!

i was on a plane trip once though, it scared the **** outta me, but the keys would be worth it, iw as going to fly to miami, then rent a car and drive down that highway across the ocean, that would be great, maybe someday, God willing.

 

[warpspeedpetey]

i totally tried to plan a trip to the keys last year, i just couldn’t find a way to afford it, i want to see the conch republic, that would be great!

i was on a plane trip once though, it scared the **** outta me, but the keys would be worth it, iw as going to fly to miami, then rent a car and drive down that highway across the ocean, that would be great, maybe someday, God willing.

though i would get arrested there, key deer sound like they might be pretty good eatin’ (no, im not joking, i live in kansas) id even barbecue one of em up kansas city style!

 

[JDaniel]

i totally tried to plan a trip to the keys last year, i just couldn’t find a way to afford it, i want to see the conch republic, that would be great!

i was on a plane trip once though, it scared the **** outta me, but the keys would be worth it, iw as going to fly to miami, then rent a car and drive down that highway across the ocean, that would be great, maybe someday, God willing.

warped:

You absolutely must. Absolutely wonderful drive. Rent a convertible.

I took my ex-gf down there that way a few years and almost got her to fall irretrievely in love with me. Almost.

JD

 

[warpspeedpetey]

I’m partially ready when you are!

JD

lets cruise some atheist websites and forums to get a feel for them, there might be something there that would help us build the basic ideas up, see where the weak points are etcetera, something like recon, behind enemy lines

 

[warpspeedpetey]

warped:

You absolutely must. Absolutely wonderful drive. Rent a convertible.

I took my ex-gf down there that way a few years and almost got her to fall irretrievely in love with me. Almost.

JD

been there too bro, it aint cool.

 

[JDaniel]

lets cruise some atheist websites and forums to get a feel for them, there might be something there that would help us build the basic ideas up, see where the weak points are etcetera, something like recon, behind enemy lines

Are atheists able to build atheist forums? Seems tautological to me.

However, I’d like to see one. I’ll believe it when I see it, if you know what I mean.:whacky:

Send me the URL for one; then, and only then, will I believe!

JD

 

[CatsAndDogs]

But, you don’t understand! I wanna be looking through your eyes, however bloodshot.

Sorry, once again, about that little “tiff”, though it was really just an imagined “flashback”, as I don’t do much alcohol much any more. It always was too much pain for the “effects”, so other than that month and handful of days after reaching 21 years of age when “adventures in legal self poisoning” seemed, incorrectly, like a good idea, I’ve not been much of an alky-hound even with a family history of full bore irish and german “over-imbibers”.

A nice morning swig of wine-‘n-water at Mass is always welcomed, though, and some vino with dinner, and the occasional margarita/ParrotHead-drink variant with lots of saltines is havin’ a “Fun Time” in my book, though.

I have to say, I do love you, but, not in that way, but in the way of someone who knows that he is cared about, because the other person cares about this person’s mis-consumption.

Yeah, stay away from the mis-consumption. If you’re gonna “consumpt” do it so as to keep your head well connected to the rest of you, of course. And I love you too, Man! And, uh, GO BEARS! <grunt, grunt, “manly-noise”, grunt!>

Definitely, NO peppermint. I could go for a cup of vino rioja though.

Mmmmm… Sounds quite yummy. North central Spanish aged red wine tasting of spices and tannin out the proverbial wazoo! Oh, my sinuses expand at the very thought! Myungmyungyarn… tasty.

:shamrock2:

 

[JDaniel]

Sorry, once again, about that little “tiff”, though it was really just an imagined “flashback”, as I don’t do much alcohol much any more. It always was too much pain for the “effects”, so other than that month and handful of days after reaching 21 years of age when “adventures in legal self poisoning” seemed, incorrectly, like a good idea, I’ve not been much of an alky-hound even with a family history of full bore irish and german “over-imbibers”.

But, it is fun to talk about those little hoped for dalliances with death, in life. Likewise, I had a wish, actually it was a fervent desire, to be able to “keep up with the best”. The after-pain for the prior effects were generally unacceptable.

A nice morning swig of wine-‘n-water at Mass is always welcomed, though, and some vino with dinner, and the occasional margarita/ParrotHead-drink variant with lots of saltines is havin’ a “Fun Time” in my book, though.

Yeah, stay away from the mis-consumption. If you’re gonna “consumpt” do it so as to keep your head well connected to the rest of you, of course. And I love you too, Man! And, uh, GO BEARS! <grunt, grunt, “manly-noise”, grunt!>

Yeah. They played well last night, I think.

See you 'round the fori - try to catch all of your posts. You’re a Teacher. Don’t know if you are having any real effect though!
Probably isn’t your fault, though.

JD

 

[warpspeedpetey]

Sorry, once again, about that little “tiff”, though it was really just an imagined “flashback”, as I don’t do much alcohol much any more. It always was too much pain for the “effects”, so other than that month and handful of days after reaching 21 years of age when “adventures in legal self poisoning” seemed, incorrectly, like a good idea, I’ve not been much of an alky-hound even with a family history of full bore irish and german “over-imbibers”.

A nice morning swig of wine-‘n-water at Mass is always welcomed, though, and some vino with dinner, and the occasional margarita/ParrotHead-drink variant with lots of saltines is havin’ a “Fun Time” in my book, though.

cats your german and irish too?

do you feel like getting drunk and invading france too?

maybe its just me…

Yeah, stay away from the mis-consumption. If you’re gonna “consumpt” do it so as to keep your head well connected to the rest of you, of course. And I love you too, Man! And, uh, GO BEARS! <grunt, grunt, “manly-noise”, grunt!>

Mmmmm… Sounds quite yummy. North central Spanish aged red wine tasting of spices and tannin out the proverbial wazoo! Oh, my sinuses expand at the very thought! Myungmyungyarn… tasty.

:shamrock2:

 

[joandarc2008]

i must say while the medical reasons keep me from imbibing I do have had a few dalliances with death from the good stuff. Now, the only imbibing of the grape I do is at mass with the really good stuff which brings only life and peace.

God bless,

 

[JDaniel]

i must say while the medical reasons keep me from imbibing I do have had a few dalliances with death from the good stuff. Now, the only imbibing of the grape I do is at mass with the really good stuff which brings only life and peace.

God bless,

Joan:

Congradulations on your recent confirmation.

It is good to quit dallying. It is far better to sip the transubstantiated blood of Christ, and His body.

Say the Rosary often. It should help to calm and extend your life.

God bless you

JD

 

[joandarc2008]

Thank you JD although I do admit even when I did confirm I did not take the blood for awhile due to my past issues with the grapes. After some careful consideration with my fiance who was also my RCIA sponsor and my “other” sponsor I did start taking the blood because I do truly believe in transubstantiation meaning it is just that. I was raised both Catholic and Protestant and then went off and did my “own thing” for awhile because I thought knew better than most of the world’s population. My mother who was Protestant and my father who was Catholic decided it was best to let both me and my brother confirm when we were old enough to decide where our Faith was. I think because of that I have much more faith and a much more true faith than I would have had they made me do it when I was a teen and did not completely understand. I think my ability to have conversations such as the one on the thread shows just how much I have thought this out in it’s entirety before coming to that decision. I have to say that the confirmation was probably the best decision I made for myself with God’s help.

God bless,

 

[JDaniel]

Thank you JD although I do admit even when I did confirm I did not take the blood for awhile due to my past issues with the grapes. After some careful consideration with my fiance who was also my RCIA sponsor and my “other” sponsor I did start taking the blood because I do truly believe in transubstantiation meaning it is just that. I was raised both Catholic and Protestant and then went off and did my “own thing” for awhile because I thought knew better than most of the world’s population. My mother who was Protestant and my father who was Catholic decided it was best to let both me and my brother confirm when we were old enough to decide where our Faith was. I think because of that I have much more faith and a much more true faith than I would have had they made me do it when I was a teen and did not completely understand. I think my ability to have conversations such as the one on the thread shows just how much I have thought this out in it’s entirety before coming to that decision. I have to say that the confirmation was probably the best decision I made for myself with God’s help.

God bless,

Well, Joan:

You have much to be congradulated for! You are the prodigal daughter. I’m a prodigal son. I too went my way for a long while. Fairly recently a family member was pushing me to get into scien=tology. As I learned more and more about the subject, I realized that I had only left the Catholic Church out of shame and guilt.

I also realized that I had grown very contrite over the course of time and that my Church might allow me to return to it due to my contrition.

So, we are both on THE incredible journey! Do all you can to have to spend the least time possible in Purgatorio.

God bless,

JD

 

[Bruno_Schulz]

**Well – we ought to beware of the idea, having enough time to decide and make up our minds, which religion, or group, denomination or idea we ought to follow.

I remember a guy in my club who was 40 years younger than I. Son of the keeper of the club, and he asked me, why on earth Christianity is so damn important to me. He thought, I’d have a far better life with much less troubles, if I just lived and had fun and didn’t care a dime about all that claptrap as he called it, of that friend of mine, a priest.

I told that young guy, that Christianity is fully my purpose in life and to me (also to anybody) Christianity and to believe in God, is the most important thing in our lives – furthermore, it gives us a lot, it holds us, and a real Christians life would be totally empty without his faith.

Oh well he said – I don’t know… I’m too young to worry about all this, and he added laughing: My purpose of life are girls, to have fun and really live.
I bet you I said, I live more intensive than you…
I could read his thought on his face:
Ha - that’s an old man - what does he know about life…

It was my last words to him. He died 6 month ago in a car-accident. Only 2 days after I had seen him last.

Let’s hope and pray, he found mercy and the grace of God. How much more and intensive do live those, who live in faith and believe in God!
This is real life; including every good aspect of life - missing just nothing; – for those who believe, live in God and are never alone!
**

 

[warpspeedpetey]

Well, Joan:

You have much to be congradulated for! You are the prodigal daughter. I’m a prodigal son. I too went my way for a long while. Fairly recently a family member was pushing me to get into scien=tology. As I learned more and more about the subject, I realized that I had only left the Catholic Church out of shame and guilt.

I also realized that I had grown very contrite over the course of time and that my Church might allow me to return to it due to my contrition.

So, we are both on THE incredible journey! Do all you can to have to spend the least time possible in Purgatorio.

God bless,

JD

the path of excess leads to the palace of wisdom, im glad i finally found my way home too

 

[CatsAndDogs]

You’re a Teacher.

I think not. I’d like to be, but my perennial ill-view of my self-worth vis-a-vis “interpersonal persuasive communication” informs me that only “the choir” understands a single freakin’ thing I ever say, and anyone with the slightest “intellectual armor” to hold to untruth as truth (in other words: anyone who is an “intellectual”) sees me as a hobbit with a pee-shooter.

Don’t know if you are having any real effect though!
Probably isn’t your fault, though.

Me!? Effective!? <chuckle, chuckle, chuckle!>

Uh,… no.

But then, being a blithering idiot screaming unintelligible truth in the wilderness that is this daily increasingly Godless society makes for a fine hobby, and no small preparation for the really BIG fight that is upcoming.

:shamrock2:

 

[warpspeedpetey]

sees me as a hobbit with a pee-shooter.

Me!? Effective!? <chuckle, chuckle, chuckle!>

Uh,… no.

But then, being a blithering idiot screaming unintelligible truth in the wilderness that is this daily increasingly Godless society makes for a fine hobby, and no small preparation for the really BIG fight that is upcoming.

:shamrock2:

at least you got a pee shooter

and better a pea shooter on G-ds side than an artillery battery on the enemies