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LibralAteoJesus
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The first character appears very cruel and evil.
The second character appears better.
Why?!
The second character appears better.
Why?!
Is the old testament God same one as the New testament God?
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davidv
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Because one or both are misunderstood?
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LibralAteoJesus
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Both books are very clear.
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davidv
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Not based on the many fragments that claim to use it as their source.
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tonyrey
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There is continuity between the two Testaments - notably in their monotheism and the fulfilment of the prophecies - but Jesus corrected the primitive aspects of the Israelites’ beliefs.
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ProdglArchitect
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The Jewish perception of God was tainted by the fact that he had to keep putting them back in line 
He’d help them, they’d turn away from him. After a bit, he’s punish them for rejecting Him. Rinse, repeat.
The problem child always views the parents as the disciplinarian. (No offense intended to any Jewish members, just, looking at the history, your ancestors couldn’t seem to keep their eyes on the prize, in a manner of speaking)
To be honest, I’d kinda like to see some major displays like the OT Jews got. They’re frightening, sure, but also awe-inspiring.
He’d help them, they’d turn away from him. After a bit, he’s punish them for rejecting Him. Rinse, repeat.
The problem child always views the parents as the disciplinarian. (No offense intended to any Jewish members, just, looking at the history, your ancestors couldn’t seem to keep their eyes on the prize, in a manner of speaking
)To be honest, I’d kinda like to see some major displays like the OT Jews got. They’re frightening, sure, but also awe-inspiring.
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Della
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In the OT God’s judgments were immediate and not muted by the age of grace brought about by the life, death and resurrection of Christ. The Law was to be kept or the consequences would be paid. When Christ came and gave his life for us, the Holy Spirit poured the graces gained by Christ upon the whole world. Now keeping the law is a matter of love, not of coercion/judgment, although we certainly need to keep God’s laws or pay the consequences in the next life.
St. Paul refers to it as the “law of freedom” as opposed to the “law of slavery.” Now that God’s grace has been poured upon the world, so has his mercy. All those who were faithful in the OT were saved through the sacrifice of Christ. It may seem as though God changed his nature, but in fact he changed nothing, but in the giving of his Son for our sins he is able to apply his mercy to us through Christ. I hope that helps.
St. Paul refers to it as the “law of freedom” as opposed to the “law of slavery.” Now that God’s grace has been poured upon the world, so has his mercy. All those who were faithful in the OT were saved through the sacrifice of Christ. It may seem as though God changed his nature, but in fact he changed nothing, but in the giving of his Son for our sins he is able to apply his mercy to us through Christ. I hope that helps.
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tonyrey
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What type of major display do you have in mind?The Jewish perception of God was tainted by the fact that he had to keep putting them back in line
He’d help them, they’d turn away from him. After a bit, he’s punish them for rejecting Him. Rinse, repeat.
The problem child always views the parents as the disciplinarian. (No offense intended to any Jewish members, just, looking at the history, your ancestors couldn’t seem to keep their eyes on the prize, in a manner of speaking
To be honest, I’d kinda like to see some major displays like the OT Jews got. They’re frightening, sure, but also awe-inspiring.
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ProdglArchitect
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Lol, I don’t know honestly. I’ve never given it much though because I know we have no right to ask for it. Something that even the most ardent of skeptics couldn’t completely dismiss…
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tonyrey
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Like Fatima - where no one was killed?
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Linusthe2nd
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Have you read the Old Testament? God as He revealed Himself in the Old Testament seems fine to me. I don’t see the problem. He owes us nothing, we owe Him everything. He loved us enough to send His own Son to lead us to the Truth. Look how we treated Him, look how we still treat Him.
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meltzerboy
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A study of the Torah (Pentateuch) and the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) in general will disclose the mercy of G-d everywhere interwoven with His justice. Judaism does not regard obedience to the Law as slavery or a burden the way St. Paul described it, in large part so that the Gentiles did not have to convert to Judaism before becoming Christians. Rather, Jews feel blessed to be sanctified by the commandments of G-d.In the OT God’s judgments were immediate and not muted by the age of grace brought about by the life, death and resurrection of Christ. The Law was to be kept or the consequences would be paid. When Christ came and gave his life for us, the Holy Spirit poured the graces gained by Christ upon the whole world. Now keeping the law is a matter of love, not of coercion/judgment, although we certainly need to keep God’s laws or pay the consequences in the next life.
St. Paul refers to it as the “law of freedom” as opposed to the “law of slavery.” Now that God’s grace has been poured upon the world, so has his mercy. All those who were faithful in the OT were saved through the sacrifice of Christ. It may seem as though God changed his nature, but in fact he changed nothing, but in the giving of his Son for our sins he is able to apply his mercy to us through Christ. I hope that helps.
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ProdglArchitect
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As a living person, I would prefer no death; but I also wouldn’t question God if his sign resulted in death.
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billgeib
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i guess you are not familar with the basics
Blessings on Obedience
28 “Now it shall come to pass, if you diligently obey the voice of the Lord your God, to observe carefully all His commandments which I command you today, that the Lord your God will set you high above all nations of the earth. 2 And all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake you, because you obey the voice of the Lord your God:
3 “Blessed shall you be in the city, and blessed shall you be in the country.
4 “Blessed shall be the fruit of your body, the produce of your ground and the increase of your herds, the increase of your cattle and the offspring of your flocks.
5 “Blessed shall be your basket and your kneading bowl.
6 “Blessed shall you be when you come in, and blessed shall you be when you go out.
7 “The Lord will cause your enemies who rise against you to be defeated before your face; they shall come out against you one way and flee before you seven ways.
8 “The Lord will command the blessing on you in your storehouses and in all to which you set your hand, and He will bless you in the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
9 “The Lord will establish you as a holy people to Himself, just as He has sworn to you, if you keep the commandments of the Lord your God and walk in His ways. 10 Then all peoples of the earth shall see that you are called by the name of the Lord, and they shall be afraid of you. 11 And the Lord will grant you plenty of goods, in the fruit of your body, in the increase of your livestock, and in the produce of your ground, in the land of which the Lord swore to your fathers to give you. 12 The Lord will open to you His good treasure, the heavens, to give the rain to your land in its season, and to bless all the work of your hand. You shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow. 13 And the Lord will make you the head and not the tail; you shall be above only, and not be beneath, if you heed the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you today, and are careful to observe them. 14 So you shall not turn aside from any of the words which I command you this day, to the right or the left, to go after other gods to serve them.
Curses on Disobedience
15 “But it shall come to pass, if you do not obey the voice of the Lord your God,
to observe carefully all His commandments and His statutes which I command you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:
16 “Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the country.
17 “Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading bowl.
18 “Cursed shall be the fruit of your body and the produce of your land, the increase of your cattle and the offspring of your flocks.
19 “Cursed shall you be when you come in, and cursed shall you be when you go out.
finally–
Numbers 11:29
New International Version (NIV)
29 But Moses replied, “Are you jealous for my sake?
I wish that all the Lord’s people were prophets and that the Lord would put his Spirit on them!”
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Simpleton
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I think it has to do with the views each Adam had of the Father.
OT Adam fell and took the attitude “no please don’t Daddy don’t be angry”. Let me explain. When a child does something wrong it fears its father even if the father is known to be loving, the child still fears them because the child’s injustice fears the justice of the father.
NT Adam loved the Father so much He said “not my will but Thy will be done.” There is no injustice in this child so there is no fear of the father.
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tonyrey
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Do you believe God was directly responsible for the disasters in the Old Testament?
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DaveBj
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Marcion was one early heretic who claimed that the Creator-God (Old Testament) and the Father of Jesus Christ (New Testament) were two different deities. Tertullian, a Church Father writing about the beginning of the 3rd century thoroughly refuted Marcion in his book Adversus Marcionem. The English translation is available for free on-line.
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Della
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We have discussed this before and I have answered. St. Paul is referring to the fact that keeping the law, although good, cannot save to eternal life since it was not meant to do so. That is all that is meant. Please note this for future discussions. Thank you. :tiphat:
meltzerboy
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Sorry, Della. I had forgotten our discussion about this previously.
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Della
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No problem.
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