Is the "One God" the Father or the Trinity?

[eddie_too]

the only inspired and authentic connection this world has to Jesus Christ are the successors to His twelve chosen apostles because it was them that our Lord Jesus placed under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

while the bible is inspired writings, for it to to be accurately understood, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit found only in the successors to the apostles, as established or sent to them by the divine design of Jesus Christ, is absolutely necessary.

 

[hasantas]

Not perfect or not complete? Judaism itself believes that the words in the Torah are not complete without the Oral Law, compiled in the Talmud. The latter spells out the exact meaning of the Written Law (Torah) when there is uncertainty or omission. We do not believe in a Trinitarian G-d but the principle of omission is still applicable.

If Oral Law is not sourced exactly from disciplines of prophets so there could be addition in religion by people. And sometimes these addition are being confused with revelation. That is what Muslims state “corruption”. Jews scholars(not all but there were some) used that for self benefits.

 

[hasantas]

the only inspired and authentic connection this world has to Jesus Christ are the successors to His twelve chosen apostles because it was them that our Lord Jesus placed under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

while the bible is inspired writings, for it to to be accurately understood, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit found only in the successors to the apostles, as established or sent to them by the divine design of Jesus Christ, is absolutely necessary.

Apostles did a good work after Jesus otherwise Christianity would not go ahead. But to claim that Holy Spirit guided apostles! That is not clear. Holy Spirit was able to get apostles writen one Gospel and save the original text! There would not be so problems.

 

[PluniaZ]

Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith. Which Faith except everyone do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the Catholic Faith is this, that we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity. Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Ghost is all One, the Glory Equal, the Majesty Co-Eternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father Uncreate, the Son Uncreate, and the Holy Ghost Uncreate. The Father Incomprehensible, the Son Incomprehensible, and the Holy Ghost Incomprehensible. The Father Eternal, the Son Eternal, and the Holy Ghost Eternal and yet they are not Three Eternals but One Eternal. As also there are not Three Uncreated, nor Three Incomprehensibles, but One Uncreated, and One Incomprehensible. So likewise the Father is Almighty, the Son Almighty, and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not Three Almighties but One Almighty.

So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not Three Gods, but One God. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not Three Lords but One Lord. For, like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by Himself to be God and Lord, so are we forbidden by the Catholic Religion to say, there be Three Gods or Three Lords. The Father is made of none, neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created, but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father, and of the Son neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.

So there is One Father, not Three Fathers; one Son, not Three Sons; One Holy Ghost, not Three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is afore or after Other, None is greater or less than Another, but the whole Three Persons are Co-eternal together, and Co-equal. So that in all things, as is aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, must thus think of the Trinity.

Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting Salvation, that he also believe rightly the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess, that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man.
God, of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the substance of His mother, born into the world. Perfect God and Perfect Man, of a reasonable Soul and human Flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His Manhood. Who, although He be God and Man, yet He is not two, but One Christ. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into Flesh, but by taking of the Manhood into God. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by Unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one Man, so God and Man is one Christ. Who suffered for our salvation, descended into Hell, rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into Heaven, He sitteth on the right hand of the Father, God Almighty, from whence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies, and shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting, and they that have done evil into everlasting fire. This is the Catholic Faith, which except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.

newadvent.org/cathen/02033b.htm

 

[hasantas]

Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith. Which Faith except everyone do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the Catholic Faith is this, that we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity. Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Ghost is all One, the Glory Equal, the Majesty Co-Eternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father Uncreate, the Son Uncreate, and the Holy Ghost Uncreate. The Father Incomprehensible, the Son Incomprehensible, and the Holy Ghost Incomprehensible. The Father Eternal, the Son Eternal, and the Holy Ghost Eternal and yet they are not Three Eternals but One Eternal. As also there are not Three Uncreated, nor Three Incomprehensibles, but One Uncreated, and One Incomprehensible. So likewise the Father is Almighty, the Son Almighty, and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not Three Almighties but One Almighty.

So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not Three Gods, but One God. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not Three Lords but One Lord. For, like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by Himself to be God and Lord, so are we forbidden by the Catholic Religion to say, there be Three Gods or Three Lords. The Father is made of none, neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created, but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father, and of the Son neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.

So there is One Father, not Three Fathers; one Son, not Three Sons; One Holy Ghost, not Three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is afore or after Other, None is greater or less than Another, but the whole Three Persons are Co-eternal together, and Co-equal. So that in all things, as is aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, must thus think of the Trinity.

Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting Salvation, that he also believe rightly the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess, that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man.
God, of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the substance of His mother, born into the world. Perfect God and Perfect Man, of a reasonable Soul and human Flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His Manhood. Who, although He be God and Man, yet He is not two, but One Christ. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into Flesh, but by taking of the Manhood into God. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by Unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one Man, so God and Man is one Christ. Who suffered for our salvation, descended into Hell, rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into Heaven, He sitteth on the right hand of the Father, God Almighty, from whence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies, and shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting, and they that have done evil into everlasting fire. This is the Catholic Faith, which except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.

newadvent.org/cathen/02033b.htm

God is one not three.

You have no authority to decide who will have salvation. Yet you profess to believe in three(Trinity) gods.

 

[PluniaZ]

You are on a Catholic forum. This is our faith.

 

[AmbroseSJ]

God is one not three.

You have no authority to decide who will have salvation. Yet you profess to believe in three(Trinity) gods.

Incorrect. Christians believe in ONE GOD only. However, unlike Islam, Christianity has received Divine Revelation about the nature of God from God Himself! Otherwise we would never have invented a Trinity of Persons in ONE GOD. That is something that no human would have come up with. Only God Himself would or could share a sublime mystery like this, even though it is beyond our capacity to comprehend.

 

[eddie_too]

Jesus, who is God Himself, gave His chosen twelve apostles the authority to decide for all human beings what God has taught mankind down through the centuries.

these chose twelve passed that authority on to their successors.

the question of authority has been resolved for those whose hearts are open to God’s love.

 

[TDBlovedbyJC]

Did not read this whole thread… but the answer is yes.

The Father is the One God.

The Trinity is the One God.

“In the beginning the Word was with God, and the Word was God … And He became flesh and lived among us as God’s one and only Son.”

 

[kdbueno]

The Father approves that His spirit is correct. You need to understand so much of systematic theological inquiry. The Trinity’s supreme allegiance to faith, proves a Trinitarian approach to the concept of Magisterial ability to access divine truth.

 

[hasantas]

You are on a Catholic forum. This is our faith.

The Thread point that the issue is polemical and I believe in Jesus and Bible so I think I have a right to say something. And I believe in Father to be unique God. Most part of Bible preach that fact.

 

[PRmerger]

The Thread point that the issue is polemical and I believe in Jesus and Bible so I think I have a right to say something. And I believe in Father to be unique God. Most part of Bible preach that fact.

If you believe in the Bible, then you believe in the authority of the Catholic Church, hasantas.

For it was the Catholic Church which decided which books belong in the Bible and which ones should not be in there.

 

[PluniaZ]

If you believe in the Bible, then you believe in the authority of the Catholic Church, hasantas.

For it was the Catholic Church which decided which books belong in the Bible and which ones should not be in there.

And the Bible bears witness to the authority of the Catholic Church:

“If I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.” 1 Timothy 3:15

 

[steve_b]

The fact is that: Father is God. Son is prophet. Holy Spirit is Angel Gabriel. All verses of Bible support that fact.

Please quote the passages
h:

Otherwise if God had three personalities hence God would declare that very clearly in Bible

He does.

The Trinity

“Then God said, ‘Let us make man in our image, after our likeness . . .’” (Gen. 1:26).
“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matt. 28:19).
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (John 1:1)
“But Peter said, ‘Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? How is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.’” (Acts 5:3-4)
“The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all” (2 Cor. 13:14).

Scriptural Reference Guide to various beliefs

Re: what is highlighted in** red**, who is “the word”? It’s Jesus
h:

and in Torah

In Genesis, tell me, who does God mean by “us” in this creation passage?
Genesis 1:26

 

[hasantas]

Please quote the passages

He does.

The Trinity

“Then God said, ‘Let us make man in our image, after our likeness . . .’” (Gen. 1:26).
“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matt. 28:19).
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (John 1:1)
“But Peter said, ‘Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? How is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.’” (Acts 5:3-4)
“The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all” (2 Cor. 13:14).

Scriptural Reference Guide to various beliefs

Re: what is highlighted in** red**, who is “the word”? It’s Jesus

In Genesis, tell me, who does God mean by “us” in this creation passage?
Genesis 1:26

24 And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.

Jesus is talking about Himself.

The word is eternal attribute of God and being used for Jesus is metaphorical. It is not clear that the word in Genesis is used/refer directly for Jesus.

9- Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur’an and indeed, We will be its guardian. Al-Hijr(15)

God use “we” in Qur’an but that does not mean plural gods or persons. Because there are many certain verses which declare that God is unique both in Qur’an and Bible.

For Gabriel in Qur’an it is said Jibril or Jabrail and Ruh-ul Kudus(Holy Spirit). Holy Spirit is an angel who bring revelation and support prophets. Holy Spirit always support Jesus. And also angels are mediators of divine influences which Christians are used to say to be filled with Holy Spirit.

 

[PRmerger]

24 And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.

Jesus is talking about Himself.

Yes. You are very Christian when you say this.

Jesus is our Priest, Prophet and King.

 

[steve_b]

24 And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.

Jesus is talking about Himself.

Actually Jesus was NOT talking about himself. He merely referred to prophets of old

In context

Luke 4:
23Jesus said to them, “Surely you will quote this proverb to me: ‘Physician, heal yourself!’ And you will tell me, ‘Do here in your hometown what we have heard that you did in Capernaum.’ ”
24“Truly I tell you,” he continued, “no prophet is accepted in his hometown. 25I assure you that there were many widows in Israel in Elijah’s time, when the sky was shut for three and a half years and there was a severe famine throughout the land. 26Yet Elijah was not sent to any of them, but to a widow in Zarephath in the region of Sidon. 27And there were many in Israel with leprosyg in the time of Elisha the prophet, yet not one of them was cleansed—only Naaman the Syrian.”
28All the people in the synagogue were furious when they heard this. 29They got up, drove him out of the town, and took him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw him off the cliff. 30But he walked right through the crowd and went on his way."

Do you see what’s really going on there? He called to their memory, How God didn’t answer them from old, either.

Jesus never said HE was a prophet. But He was addressing this highly defective and dishonest crowd of people who dared Him to do for them the miracles and healings He did elsewhere.for people.

Jesus never took the bait. He never took a dare.
h:

The word is eternal attribute of God and being used for Jesus is metaphorical. It is not clear that the word in Genesis is used/refer directly for Jesus.

The way “Word” is used, is NOT a metaphor.

Jesus is the Word of God & Jesus is God
(all emphasis is mine) “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (John 1:1)

Also

Re: Genesis 1:26
**
When God said* let “us”* make man in “our” image**, **after “our” likeness ** who is God referring to when He says “us” and “our” , in that sentence?

Please answer that question
h:

9- Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur’an and indeed, We will be its guardian. Al-Hijr(15)

God use “we” in Qur’an but that does not mean plural gods or persons. Because there are many certain verses which declare that God is unique both in Qur’an and Bible.

I’m talking about Genesis, and “we” and “our” in that passage from Genesis. Who is God referring to?

 

[JimmyDFG]

God is one not three.

You have no authority to decide who will have salvation. Yet you profess to believe in three(Trinity) gods.

So why did muhammad say whoever opposes allah and his messenger( muhammad ) is in “the punishment of fire”?

 

[Vico]

God is one not three.

You have no authority to decide who will have salvation. Yet you profess to believe in three(Trinity) gods.

It is understandable that you think this to be true since you are taught in Islam that Jesus was but one in a long line of prophets calling the people to worship One God.

However, Christianity is monotheistic and teaches that one God is the Trinity: The Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit that interpenetrate one other with a only one will and mind and essence. In Sura 5:116, Muhammad tells of the last judgment that Jesus is confronted about teaching people to worship him and his Mother as dieties. However that is not true, for Jesus did not present his mother as diety. He said rather to the Samaritan woman at the well that he was the Msssias:

Gospel of John, Chapter 4
25 The woman saith to him: I know that the Messias cometh (who is called Christ); therefore, when he is come, he will tell us all things.
26 Jesus saith to her: I am he, who am speaking with thee.

And he said that he and the Father were one:

Gospel of John, Chapter 8
53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? and the prophets are dead. Whom dost thou make thyself?
54 Jesus answered: If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father that glorifieth me, of whom you say that he is your God.
55 And you have not known him, but I know him. And if I shall say that I know him not, I shall be like to you, a liar. But I do know him, and do keep his word.
56 Abraham your father rejoiced that he might see my day: he saw it, and was glad.
57 The Jews therefore said to him: Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am.
59 They took up stones therefore to cast at him. But Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple.

Gospel of John, Chapter 14
5 Thomas saith to him: Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.
7 If you had known me, you would without doubt have known my Father also: and from henceforth you shall know him, and you have seen him.
8 Philip saith to him: Lord, shew us the Father, and it is enough for us.
9 Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me? Philip, he that seeth me seeth the Father also. How sayest thou, Shew us the Father?
10 Do you not believe, that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak to you, I speak not of myself. But the Father who abideth in me, he doth the works. 11 Believe you not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?