Is the patriarchy a good thing?

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Just recently discovered this passage in the bible:
"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way. "Isaiah 3:12.
This is in reference to the coming destruction of Judah.

Seems God approves of the patriarchy. There are other passages like this.

I don’t want to get into " Wives , submit yourselves to your own husbands" because there have already been a ton of topics on that particular passage. I understand wives should submit to their husbands, but here I am talking about society at large. Does God prefer men to be in leadership positions? Rulers of nations? When people criticize “the patriarchy” I notice they are always talking about abuse of male power, not proper exercising of male authority by good men. The society we live in is more and more being shifted to a society controlled by women. However, I have never heard of a single successful matriarchal society. Marriage in the west is at an all time low. The demise of the family is ever present. This is what feminism seems to have accomplished. Sorry if this topic is not politically correct.
 
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Marriage in the west is at an all time low. The demise of the family is ever present. This is what feminism seems to have accomplished
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Yes, they accomplished exactly what they set out to accomplish.

God can do literally anything at any time and he:

Created Adam and then Eve from Adam

Commissioned Moses to free the Israelites

Made the priesthood only male

Made the Judges all male

Made all of the Prophets men

Appointed rulers that were all men when the people asked for human rule

Embodied Himself as a man to come to earth

Chose only males for His Apostles

He made the world patriarchal. As you say, there has never been a successful matriarchal society. I’d say it is as He intended. If society is sexist then God is sexist. I certainly would never dare make that claim.
 
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The society we live in is more and more being shifted to a society controlled by women. However, I have never heard of a single successful matriarchal society. Marriage in the west is at an all time low. The demise of the family is ever present. This is what feminism seems to have accomplished. Sorry if this topic is not politically correct.
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Yes, I am sure, it is not politically correct, but true. Society and feminism are certainly working hard to reverse the roles of men and women and it is the family and our youth that are suffering the damage and it is very sad.
 
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Good points. Everything is deemed sexist nowadays. Also, I think there’s such thing as taking patriarchy too far, as we see in countries in the Middle East where Isis is in control. But I think there is such thing as good patriarchy. I also want to emphasize that I believe men and women are equal in terms of the importance of their vocations, not the same but equal in terms of value.
 
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I also want to emphasize that I believe men and women are equal in terms of the importance of their vocations, not the same but equal in terms of value.
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Yes this is the Christian position. It is the opposite of the belief of the other group you mentioned.
 
Patriarchy is neither good nor bad. It depends on the people. I firmly believe that leadership is a quality bestowed by God on neither sex in particular.
 
Yes. After 2,000 years of patriarchy, we’ve come a long way, baby.

Sort of like the private healthcare system. Private insurers had many, many years to get it right and they didn’t.
 
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Yes. After 2,000 years of patriarchy, we’ve come a long way, baby.
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Is this some kind of weird joke I don’t get? We have gone from using rocks as simple tools to landing on the moon and using robots to perform heart surgery. In what insane alternative reality have we NOT come a long way?
 
The Bible is full of accounts of strong women who accomplished great things.

Deborah has already been mentioned.

Queen Esther is another example.

Miriam seemed to be a “leader” of the women in Moses’ camp.

One of my favorite stoies is about Jael–she drove a tent spike through a man’s head!

It’s been several years since I read the book ofJudith, but I think it’s about a strong leader of women.

There was Lydia in the New Testament.

There’s the woman described in Proverbs 31.

When I first started investigating the Catholic Church, I had questions about Mary, and I learned that in the Old Testament, the Queen Mother was a person who sat next to the King and influenced him in a major way. This helped me to understand Mary’s place–she is the Queen Mother of the Lord Jesus, and although she isn’t “in charge,” she definitely has a powerful role in influencing the Lord.
 
niceatheist said:
Yeah, I pine for the old days when a man could beat or rape his wife without fear of reprisal, could cavort at the office or after hours, and where women got paid far less for the same work, and every woman was expected to either marry and produce children, or die an old spinster, still making less than a man even if she was doing the same work.

Yes, feminism has a lot to answer for.
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There were men in the past who abused their wives and girlfriends and there are men today who do the same thing. That has nothing to do with patriarchy. Domestic abuse is sin and evil.

As far as women marrying and having a family, raising children, that is a woman’s glory. In many ways, all women are called to motherhood, even if it is just spiritual motherhood.

You’re right, feminism does have a lot to answer for. All that it has stolen.
 
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There’s a reason every successful nation has been led by a predominantly male society. Long ago it was agreed that men would shoulder the brunt of responsibility and power. In exchange we would do the hunting, the war fighting, and such. Women stayed home and saw to domestic affairs. Getting away from that has caused nothing but strife.
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Ok but this isn’t as religious as plain sexist. It’s a glorified way of saying women are weaker. It isn’t treating them equally.
 
Also the reason there hasn’t been a successful matriarchy is because there haven’t been many for women to have any sort of real matriarchy due to sexism
 
I’ll be selling 10 foot poles so people can not touch this topic with them.
 
I’m not 100% confident about this, but this discussion may be slightly less contentious if specific waves of feminism were defined.

The most recent are the most toxic in the West, IMO, and include those who rant obnoxiously, incessantly about the uselessness of men with total disregard to what the patriarchy they want so badly to “smash” has done for them.
 
Dr. Carrie Gress has a new book out about this topic called “The Anti-Mary Exposed: Rescuing the Culture From Toxic Femininity”

Here she is talking about the themes of this book:


I’m waiting for the book from my local library.

Dr. Gress previously wrote the wonderful book, “The Marian Option: God’s Solution for a Civilization in Crisis”.
 
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