Is the "Real Presence" real?

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c659smith said:
Not this Catholic and I think you are being a little prejudice for you said Church going Protestants and used Catholics as a whole group.
Compare Church going Catholics to Church going Protestants and I do not think you will find much of a difference.

What the Protestants memorize is the parts of the bible only that can defend or justify themselves as in faith alone and the Eucharists this is necessary for them to keep their members.

What is lost is the parts of the bible or the total chapter as to what the Apostle is really talking about.

Ask a Protestant what the bible says about confession, abortion, divorce, works, etc… and they are lost.
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You are so mis-informed. Protestants, the VAST majority of them, do not sit around worrying about Catholics. I have never had to sit through a Catholic bashing service, and if I was in one I would leave immediately. We do know all about abortion, but some ignore, like many moderate Catholics do. Some do have an agenda, both Protestants and Catholics, but we do know our Bible and we do not spend our time worrying about competing with you. We do study about living holy in an ungodly world, and we care about how we show Christ to those around us. Quit making blanket statements about all Protestants, especially when you have no idea what you are saying.
 
You are so mis-informed. Protestants, the VAST majority of them, do not sit around worrying about Catholics. I have never had to sit through a Catholic bashing service, and if I was in one I would leave immediately. We do know all about abortion, but some ignore, like many moderate Catholics do. Some do have an agenda, both Protestants and Catholics, but we do know our Bible and we do not spend our time worrying about competing with you. We do study about living holy in an ungodly world, and we care about how we show Christ to those around us. Quit making blanket statements about all Protestants, especially when you have no idea what you are saying.
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Hear hear. Part of my earlier point was that protestants do know church history.
 
You are so mis-informed. Protestants, the VAST majority of them, do not sit around worrying about Catholics. I have never had to sit through a Catholic bashing service, and if I was in one I would leave immediately. We do know all about abortion, but some ignore, like many moderate Catholics do. Some do have an agenda, both Protestants and Catholics, but we do know our Bible and we do not spend our time worrying about competing with you. We do study about living holy in an ungodly world, and we care about how we show Christ to those around us. Quit making blanket statements about all Protestants, especially when you have no idea what you are saying.
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Hear hear. Part of my earlier point was that protestants do know church history.
 
You are so mis-informed. Protestants, the VAST majority of them, do not sit around worrying about Catholics. I have never had to sit through a Catholic bashing service, and if I was in one I would leave immediately. We do know all about abortion, but some ignore, like many moderate Catholics do. Some do have an agenda, both Protestants and Catholics, but we do know our Bible and we do not spend our time worrying about competing with you. We do study about living holy in an ungodly world, and we care about how we show Christ to those around us. Quit making blanket statements about all Protestants, especially when you have no idea what you are saying.
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Hear hear. Part of my earlier point was that protestants do know church history.
 
mikew262 said:
Again, I disagree. Many Catholics only hear Scripture on Sunday read by the Lector (sp?) or priest. Many Protestants read their Bible daily and go to Bible Study, and have Weds services. This is not say some Catholics aren’t daily Bible readers either, but I think the Protestants have us beat in this area.
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There are three readings every Sunday and two on weekdays for every Mass. If you follow the Church calender in about 3 years the whole bible new and old testament is read and explained.

There are bible study classes in every parish, let me give you also an average size ministry in an average every day Catholic Church.To which many involve scripural readings

Build and Renew…–bible study

Fr Chris’ Homilies – NEW!!
Today’s Readings – NEW!!

KofC Newsletter
HRCS Newsletter
Festival of Faith – NEW!!

Altar Servers
Bereavement Ministry
Catholic Young Adults
Choir
Elizabeth Ministry
Annual Winter Festival
HIV/AIDS
Lectors
Ministry of Care
Ministry of Hospitality
Ministry of Mothers
Ministry of Praise
Ministry to the Sick
New Beginnings
Office Support
Prison Ministry
Project 5000 / feeding the hungry
Rainbows for All God’s Children
Spanish Youth Ministry
Respect Life
Teen Bereavement
Youth Ministry

Baptism
Reconciliation
First Eucharist
Confirmation
Marriage
Sacrament of the Sick Adult Sacramental Preparation
Child Sacramental Preparation
Children’s Religious Education
Liturgy of the Word-Children
Re-Membering Church
Rite of Christian Initiation (RCIA)

Adoration
Altar Flowers
Church Building
Council of Catholic Women
Cursillo
Daily Prayers
Diocesan Services
History of Holy Redeemer
Knights of Columbus
Legion of Mary
Marriage Encounter
Memorials
Nursery
Respect Life
Sanctuary
Sharing With
One Another
Stained Glass
Stained Glass Window Meditation
Stations of the Cross
Stewardship

These are only a few from one Parish and to run all these ministries take a great amount of paticipation wuthin the Parish.

If you were to say Protestants can quote scripture better ( that scripture that they use to evangelize only) I might agree but to say Protestants know the bible better I doubt it.

For a practicing Catholic that goes to Mass regularly for a 3 year period has if they know it or not heard the entire bible. New and Old testament.
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Even the Rosary contemplates over 25 readings from the bible.

Catholics at least practicing ones know the bible.
 
c659smith said:
The problem is they do not know theirs.
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Why do you say stuff like this? You have no idea what we do and do not know. You make blanket, arrogant statements based on your own narrow-minded beliefs. Quit speaking as if you have any clue about what Protestants know and think. I could say all Catholics are like you, but thank God they aren’t.
 
reteeks21 said:
You are so mis-informed. Protestants, the VAST majority of them, do not sit around worrying about Catholics. I have never had to sit through a Catholic bashing service, and if I was in one I would leave immediately. We do know all about abortion, but some ignore, like many moderate Catholics do. Some do have an agenda, both Protestants and Catholics, but we do know our Bible and we do not spend our time worrying about competing with you. We do study about living holy in an ungodly world, and we care about how we show Christ to those around us. Quit making blanket statements about all Protestants, especially when you have no idea what you are saying.
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That is real funny for most Protestants know more about what they perceive the Catholic Church to be than their own Church history.
Ask an average Baptist, Adventist, Methodist, etc… to explain their history and you will get an I do not know or to relate back to the reformation where they are so far removed and little on how their sect got started and by whom.

When you discuss their history they go in denial or refuse to accept how their church has come to be.
 
c659smith said:
That is real funny for most Protestants know more about what they perceive the Catholic Church to be than their own Church history.
Ask an average Baptist, Adventist, Methodist, etc… to explain their history and you will get an I do not know or to relate back to the reformation where they are so far removed and little on how their sect got started and by whom.

When you discuss their history they go in denial or refuse to accept how their church has come to be.
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Do you enjoy this? It seems, based on your posts, that you get a lot of joy out of attacking people with arrogant assertions. You used the word “sect”. What are you implying by that statement?
 
reteeks21 said:
Why do you say stuff like this? You have no idea what we do and do not know. You make blanket, arrogant statements based on your own narrow-minded beliefs. Quit speaking as if you have any clue about what Protestants know and think. I could say all Catholics are like you, but thank God they aren’t.
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You have listed yourself as blanket protestant. So tell me about your paticular sects history. Your founders, What split did your sect. contribute to. and why the division of whatever protestant sect you came from.

Prove me wrong and remember do not get upset or ignore the questions.
 
reteeks21 said:
Do you enjoy this? It seems, based on your posts, that you get a lot of joy out of attacking people with arrogant assertions. You used the word “sect”. What are you implying by that statement?
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sects as in divisions or protests within the protestant church

Lutherans
Church of England (anglican)
puritans
baptists
mesmonites
7th day adventists
methodists

and the list goes on and on and on
 
c659smith said:
You have listed yourself as blanket protestant. So tell me about your paticular sects history. Your founders, What split did your sect. contribute to. and why the division of whatever protestant sect you came from.

Prove me wrong and remember do not get upset or ignore the questions.
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I am a Lutheran. Obviously, Luther (a man I am sure your despise and consider a heretic) was the man who sought to bring reform to the Church. He never intended to leave the Church, but instead he was kicked out. As I have spoken to Lutheran ministers, and RCC priests, Luther’s motivation was to bring the Church back to Christ. He did not re-wrtie the Bible, as I am sure you will assert, but he simply translated it. He was not perfect by any means, but his intentions were pure. He did not call himself a Protestant, and he despised the Europeans monarchs use of his ideas of reform as a way to split Christianity. I know you could care less about what I believe, because your sole motivation is to prove ME wrong. You will not be convinced by anybody, so I do not have a clue why you would even ask me to try. Why do you enjoy this sort of fighting? Does it make you feel good to seek out and attck the beliefs of others? Some of us come on here to have decent conversations, but people like you make so secret of your disdain for Protestants, and your actions clearly demonstrate where you think we will turn up in the end.

And by the way, the great John Paul II even admitted in a joint measure with Lutherans said Luther was not a heretic.

vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_31101999_cath-luth-joint-declaration_en.html

Pay close attention to Section 5, namely the last sentence.
 
c659smith said:
The problem is they do not know theirs.
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Coming from a former Protestant. Protestants do NOT read their bibles more than Catholics. And to add to this we also cover the entire bible on Sunday every 3 years. On weekdays we cover the bible in 2 years. But yes, we should all devote time to it, especially our Prostestant friends that skip over the Catholic stuff.

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vocatio said:
Coming from a former Protestant. Protestants do NOT read their bibles more than Catholics. And to add to this we also cover the entire bible on Sunday every 3 years. On weekdays we cover the bible in 2 years. But yes, we should all devote time to it, especially our Prostestant friends that skip over the Catholic stuff.

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How can you make such a blanket statement? That would be like me saying that ALL Catholics love Mary more than they do Jesus. I cannot make such a statement because a.) I do not know, and b.) it’s just not true.
 
vocatio said:
Coming from a former Protestant. Protestants do NOT read their bibles more than Catholics. And to add to this we also cover the entire bible on Sunday every 3 years. On weekdays we cover the bible in 2 years. But yes, we should all devote time to it, especially our Prostestant friends that skip over the Catholic stuff.

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How much of the bible is covered in 2 years?
Large sections are not cvered.
 
That is real funny for most Protestants know more about what they perceive the Catholic Church to be than their own Church history.
Ask an average Baptist, Adventist, Methodist, etc… to explain their history and you will get an I do not know or to relate back to the reformation where they are so far removed and little on how their sect got started and by whom.
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When you discuss their history they go in denial or refuse to accept how their church has come to be.
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Ask an average Catholic. I find that I’ve become much more aquanted with the bible after becoming protestant (I’m not saying that there aren’t Catholics that are knowledgable about scriptures). In fact, I remember being asked if I knew what John 3:16 said ( I was 15 at the time) and I had no idea. Though I could quote the Hail Mary, Our Father, the Glory Be, and the Apostles Creed no problem. Serious bible study wasn’t a requirement when I grew up Catholic. I’ve heard some things have changed in the Catholic church such as penance is now community service rather than just prayer recicitation (thank God for that). The Mass contained the only scripture reading I heard: 1 from the OT,1 from the Epistles, and a Gospel reading where we all stood up. Most Catholics I encounter are just a clueless about their church history as anyone else. Poor example there. Protestantism is a reaction (thus the name) from a historical perspetive. We know we all come originally from the Western Catholic church. Most protestants I know want to get away from meaningless prayer and ritual and have a real relationship with God where by his grace we can become more like him. (that’s not to say that Catholics don’t) We do that by putting a priority on scriptures and the study there of. A preist on this site put it correctly:“the bible was made easily accessable with the printing press. I don’t think Protestantism would have been possible with out it.” The Bishops in France made a drastic mistake at trying to keep the bible from the masses to prevent heresy. It just made it look like the Church wanted to keep the laity ignorant of what God obviously intended for his people. The people reacted. That’s where protestants get the idea that Catholics don’t value scripture as much. But many protestants do know their denominations history.
 
Keep in mind most protestants focus on being born again through a belief and a walk with Jesus. So most average baptist, ect… will talk about salvation because Jesus changed their lives through a real relationship. Most know they were sinners and God saved them. They were in bondage to their sin and Jesus set them free. What most protestants want to know is a practicality: " has Jesus changed your life?" They may not know they came from puritans or Anglicans or anabaptist, or Calvanist, or Armeniest. but they’ll tell you about Jesus and that’s a good starting point.
 
I look at the western world and everyone wants to “save” everyone, yet if you look at the Church through the ages, particularly the Catholic church, it has been taking care of the sick and dying, the suffering, the widows, the old, the jailed, the homeless etc… just one of the many reasons I converted.

I see a lot of talking going on in certain circles, but action is what counts. faith without works is dead. Show me your faith and live it out til the end, and you shall be saved.

“Endure til the end and you shall be saved”- Jesus
 
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