This is true. As specifics in the case are seen on an individual basis. So yes, what is acceptable behavior for one individual might not be acceptable behavior for another.
Um . . . Saint Jerome just confirms what I just wrote!
Not exactly my idea of Justice, but I guess I can see your point. I suppose, then, that the converse is also true. That what is unacceptable behavior for one individual - depending on the circumstances - is acceptable behavior for another. That would explain why the “Bishops” of the Peoples Communist Catholic Church of China we not excommunicated or censured for consecrating Bishops without Papal approval.
Yes, I believe it did, although the current state of “not in perfect communion” seems a bit nebulous.
I do not see your point.
Try substituting any other popular devotion or activity for the words:
I see you ignored my example to real life.
Not only that, Msgr. Perle also specifies that it is a specific situation. We don’t know what that is since the author of the letter has never posted the original letter which I’ve always found suspicious. The situation posed could have been something like “I am crippled and do not have transportation to a regular Catholic Church. There is a SSPX chapel across the street. Would it be a sin for me to go here and will it fulfill my Sunday obligation?”
Yes I did, because it is a non-starter. Murder is an implicitly evil act that can never be justified. I think your “self-defense” argument points this out. If it is in self defense, it is not murder, is it?
You are quite correct here. How about instead of saying "Mass of the SSPX " we say “Eastern Orthodox Mass”.
Ah but you still ignore the substance of my example, as the self-defense issue is not resolved until one looks at the individual circumstances involved. At first glance it appears to be a murder, until after the trial. So it does hold up you just refuse to see it.
Again, depends on the Individaul and their circumstances. For a Roman Catholic, attending an Eastern Orthodox Divine Liturgy (as they do not have a Mass) would not be acceptable without permission.
I see your point. The “act” in this case is not murder but the taking of a human life. The specific circumstances dictate whether it is justified or not.
Yes I can agree with this statement, to an extent. While one may think thier life is in danger, if it really isn’t then there may be moral and legal culpablitiy. This is why all such cases are investigated.
Which Mass to attend. That is correct, when you are attending Mass, or Divine Liturgy, at a Catholic Church.
Yes the SSPX Mass is valid, but it is illict.
I really do not think we are that far off, but this is the entire point and the reason I began this thread in the first place.
I really do not think we are that far off, but this is the entire point and the reason I began this thread in the first place.
But it has…
and finally the “Hawaii Six” is even addressed.
And one more document.
I think this is enough to show that they are in schism when adding to the fact that they have no jurisdiction to be setting up chapels, performing weddings, granting annullments, hearing confessions, or any other of the sacraments.
Thank you!. I was not aware of these documents. The search engine on the Vatican web site certainly did not turn them up, and everyone else ( not necessarily on this thread) simply dismissed my questions on the basis that I am just some old traditional curmudgeon ( I’m younger than you may think!). You are the first person to point me to something concrete.
That’s like saying “The Dead Baby Workshop” isn’t an abortion provider because only four of it’s doctors - ones in position of authority, granted - have preformed abortions there.
An entire organization of priests running around operating despite having no faculties whatsoever (because they have no bishops in communion with the Church) sounds schismatic to me. Publicly avowing devotion to the pope while persisting in disobedience to him and the entire body of bishops also doesn’t come off as true repentance. A real effort to overcome disobedience would probably involve, say, seeking some sort of licit incardination, be it for the society as a whole to re-enter the fold or for individual priests to seek entry into societies, institutes, or dioceses.