Is the trinity really that hard to understand?

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Is the trinity really that hard to understand. I think that the existance of the trinity as one makes sense, if we compare it to the same reasoning we see in Diffrential equations as a system of existance that is related and simutaneously operates.
Much like modeling with functions whom express relationships in systems.
ie,… flud mechanics, solid mechanics, circuit theory,
These systems are built upon information in which is orginized similar to the unit circle,
morh’s circule, hyperbolic trigonometry functions
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Depends what you mean by understanding it. We cannot hope to learn everything about the Trinity, only what is revealed. At some point we have to accept that some things are just mysteries and is beyond our comprehension.
 
Read “Theology and Sanity” by Frank Sheed, the chapters relating to the Trinity and God’s nature. You’ll thank me later.
 
Well, I’m not an engineer or scientist - so maybe if I was, I would get it.

But here you’re talking about a concept that is not tri-theism.

Nor is it modalism.

So what’s left? As best as I can tell, nothing.
 
Well, I’m not an engineer or scientist - so maybe if I was, I would get it.

But here you’re talking about a concept that is not tri-theism.

Nor is it modalism.

So what’s left? As best as I can tell, nothing.
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 I'm trying to think in terms of existance rather. What is modalism?
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The Trinity is literally impossible to understand. The trinity a mystery, it is beyond rational comprehension.
 
I second brother Constantine :o

We can increase in our knowledge of revealed truths regarding the Trinity and the nature of the Godhead, via a prayerful reading and absorption of the combined wisdom of 2,000 years of the Church’s greatest minds. theologians, saints and mystics, who have pondered deeply on this mystery at the very epicentre of our faith - some having even withdrawn, through a mystical rapture, into the very life of the Triune Persons. The Church’s understanding of revealed truth is continuously developing as the ages wear on.

However we will reach, eventually after we have pushed the finitude of our intellectual faculties to the uttermost brink, a kind of breaking point, a dead end, where we ultimately come to realize that we are creatures, whereas God is uncreated and infinite, such that a “cloud of unknowing” arises between ourselves and God that can only be broken, pierced, not through discursive thought or knowledge but through love in a state of simplicity, with which the barrier of our finite knowledge is surpassed and we attain supreme union with our God in a restful state of “learned ignorance”, to use the words of Cardinal Nicholas of Cusa.

It is noble and praiesworthy to stretch our intelligence to the very break in this way, since it is only when we personally reach the point at which we can know no more concering God with our rational mind that we can then accept, humbly, our ignorance of the Infinite and rest in unknowing.

According to Paul in the First Letter to Timothy, God “dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see”.

The Spanish mystic Blessed Ramon Llull once put forth this truly sweet idea that our grasping after God through the knowledge of our human intelligence is comparable to little children chasing after and trying to catch butterflies in a field. They find themselves unable to catch the insects and instead merely trample on the flowers beneath their feet.

I will quote it for you to read here, try and picture it:

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“…The Lover entered a delightful meadow, and saw in the meadow many children who were pursuing butterflies, and trampling down the flowers ; and, the more the children laboured to catch the butterflies, the higher did these fly. And the Lover, as he watched them, said: ‘Such are they who with subtle reasoning attempt to comprehend the Beloved, Who opens the doors to the simple and closes them to the subtle. And Faith reveals the secrets of the Beloved through the casement of love.’…”
***- Blessed Ramon Llull (1232 – ca. 1315), Spanish Catholic mystic & Franciscan tertiary ***
 
Act as if you understand it, is the closest you can get in doing so. 🙂
 
What I don’t get is why so many people want to “understand” the Trinity.
Why not just accept It for what It is, and be grateful? It just IS.
God isn’t about logic, He’s about faith. 🤷
 
I’m trying to think in terms of existance rather. What is modalism?
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Tri-theism would be the existence of three Gods (this is not the trinity).

Mordalism would be the existence of one God who takes *three *different forms (this is also not the trinity.)
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What I don’t get is why so many people want to “understand” the Trinity.
Why not just accept It for what It is, and be grateful?
Well, let’s say you encountered a person that had never heard the Gospel. And let’s say that you said something like that to them - why should they take you seriously if you cannot even properly explain what you believe? Would you convert if they tried to pull the “it’s totally true, but it’s a mystery!” on you?

I think the trinity - being a mystery and all, it’s one of our biggest struggles as Catholics.
 
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Is the trinity really that hard to understand. I think that the existance of the trinity as one makes sense, if we compare it to the same reasoning we see in Diffrential equations as a system of existance that is related and simutaneously operates.
Much like modeling with functions whom express relationships in systems.
ie,… flud mechanics, solid mechanics, circuit theory,
These systems are built upon information in which is orginized similar to the unit circle,
morh’s circule, hyperbolic trigonometry functions
Bio guys fill in if you can help me out,
Cheers! and happy thankgiving
I like Father Barron’s comment which I paraphrase - He was speaking of God, not the Trinity. "At the point you say ‘I understand God’, you don’t. He is infinitely beyond our understanding:. So I am just grateful for Faith and hope it is never withdrawn from me.
 
Mathematicians, Scientist, Engineers,
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Is the trinity really that hard to understand. I think that the existance of the trinity as one makes sense, if we compare it to the same reasoning we see in Diffrential equations as a system of existance that is related and simutaneously operates.
Much like modeling with functions whom express relationships in systems.
ie,… flud mechanics, solid mechanics, circuit theory,
These systems are built upon information in which is orginized similar to the unit circle,
morh’s circule, hyperbolic trigonometry functions
Bio guys fill in if you can help me out,
Cheers! and happy thankgiving
The Maths is there for the Trinity>1x1x1=1.

When you look at the ATOM=Protons, Neutrons, Electrons.

When you look at GOD=Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
 
Could the greatest commandments describe how Christ is one with the Father?

When Jesus spent his time on Earth, he would have lived by the greatest commandments, could these commandments be the greatest purpose of both God the Father and God the Son?

Jesus loves God the Father with all his heart, mind, soul and strength.
Jesus loves each and every one of us as he loves himself.

God the Father loves God the Son, with all his heart, mind, soul and strength.
The Father loves each and every one of us as he loves himself.

Could the spirit be the power of God’s love, working through these commandments?
1 Samuel 18, Jonathan became one in spirit with David, and he loved him as himself. (Taken from the New International Bible.)

John 15
9. As the Father loves me, so have I loved you

Could God love us more than he loves himself?
 
I was thinking more so of a 3 dimensional space, in which one area exist.
I so enjoy the analogy that St. Patrick used to explain the trinity with a shamrock to the pagans of ancient Ireland
At least that is what I heard, second hand, he didn’t tell me that himself.
Cheers!
 
I was thinking more so of a 3 dimensional space, in which one area exist.
I so enjoy the analogy that St. Patrick used to explain the trinity with a shamrock to the pagans of ancient Ireland
At least that is what I heard, second hand, he didn’t tell me that himself.
Cheers!
Is that not modalism?

It sounds like a “Cerebrus” type example - one beast, three heads. That would not be the trinity, either. The trinity doesn’t really mean anything in human language, and that’s the problem - because we’re human… so how can we espouse this belief?
 
Is that not modalism?

It sounds like a “Cerebrus” type example - one beast, three heads. That would not be the trinity, either. The trinity doesn’t really mean anything in human language, and that’s the problem - because we’re human… so how can we espouse this belief?
Nah, thats not really what I was shooting for. lol
 
The Maths is there for the Trinity>1x1x1=1.

When you look at the ATOM=Protons, Neutrons, Electrons.

When you look at GOD=Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
Except Proton is not an atom, Neutron is not an atom, Electron is not an atom. This is 3 gods. Not trinity.
 
The Maths is there for the Trinity>1x1x1=1.
A mathematician will wonder why you arbitrarily stopped at three factors. 1=1 works, as does 1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1=1.
 
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