Individual officers are our equals. They are acting under the authority og the government we are subject to. Using radar equipment to monitoer traffic is not “spying” on an individual.This issue is very simple. Put all ideas on traffic laws aside. In our society( the USA) cops are our equils. Unless we are suspected of committing a crime there is no reason to spy on us, this is not Soviet Russia. Since I’m not suspected of committing any crime I have a right if I so choose to know if I’m being watched and by whoem. That includes cops. In our society cops are our equils.
Sorry to go off-topic, if I am, but this actually came up on an online blog I frequent.So, where in the Catechism does it say we can reject legitimite authority if it is inconvenient?
Stop putting words in my mouth.Speed limit laws are NOT a violation of your constituional rights. Civil disobedience mt eye! You are just making excuses. I stand that the laws are just, and knowingly breaking them for convenience sake is unjustifiable. And your argummwnt that it is only venial doesn’t wash either. All sin pains the Lord. “Venial” does not mean “it really doesn’t matter”. All sin matters.
Corrupt individuals in the system is also no excuseBut also here, recently, there is an example of where speed tickets are mainly used as revenue.
Recently we had a state trooper assigned locally get pulled over for speeding while driving his unmarked car and off-duty. He figured that by flashing his lights to the officer pulling him over, he’d be left alone, and he was mistaken. He was suspended for three days at first, his bosses saying they were shocked that such an officer would do something so reckless, since he has received awards for giving out the most speeding tickets in a month.
The media did some research, and learned that the officer was driving for a suspended license. He was then suspended for longer, I think until a review is done. He bosses are also scared because if he was not supposed to be on the road, then all his speeding cases can now be thrown out.
And now, it’s being suggested that his bosses knew of his suspended license, but allowed him to continue to pull people over since he was known for giving out a lot of tickets.
And for the record, I’ve been pulled over three times for speeding. 2 were legitimate, the first being for going 5 miles over while going downhill and not breaking enough so that my car was at or under the speed limit. I’ll admit, it’s speeding, even though gravity is playing a hand. The other was to pass a truck that was carrying gravel, and it was flying out of the truck hitting cars. Now, that’s also illegal, and they should be covered with a tarp of some sort. But it’s too common to find people who own such companies to either hold a political office, or are a friend of somebody who is, so they are typically untouchable.
The other I could have fought, but didn’t have the money for a lawyer at the time. $100 for the ticket is a lot cheaper than $250 for the lawyer, and I may have still needed to pay the ticket. I got it from an officer who my family doesn’t get along with. He lives in my development, we had an HOA meeting, and he was in uniform, and when somebody would say something that he disagreed with, his hand went near his nightstick. That’s bullying. So, I was doing 25 in a residential/25 zone, and he said I was doing 35. Radar detector never went off, not even when he was right behind me, so the ticket was now written as “too fast for conditions.” It was 7:00am, so the sun wasn’t shining like high noon, and for conditions, he wrote “clear.”
Circumstances notwithstanding, we are clearly told in the scriptures to submit to legitimate authority, plain and simple. And to say your ancestors are burning in hell is your judgement, not mine. I have simply said to break a law that is not contrary to the Teachings of the Church is sin. If I am wrong, show me where we are allowed to break inconvenient laws. To say we can break any law we do not like is absolutely wrong.CwBetts Ive got a question for you. Lets say it’s a thousand years ago and I am a serf living on the manor. If I escape to freedom somewhere I’ll not be a serf am I sinning by breakig legitimate authority? The churtch at that time considered in most cases the overlord to be legitimate authority. If you say yes, then most of my ancesotrs are in hell that broke authority to come here to the USA. You letter of the law stuff doesn’t wash.
Well, they are also for pedestrian safety. An adult pedestrian who is hit at 50 kph will receive a concussion, but not a coma. A child hit at 50 kph will receive a coma, which is why in child zones (school and playground) the speed limit is 30 kph - a child hit at 30 kph will receive a concussion but not a coma. An adult hit at 60 kph will receive a coma; a child hit at that speed will be killed. An adult pedestrian is killed at 70 kph and above.If anyone here who insists that the speed limits are actually set for driver safety can produce proof I will listen.
Cell phones are, actually, illegal to be used while driving.If traffic laws were about safety cell phones would be illegal.
If there are people out there driving who have had more than three DUI convictions, they are doing so without a legal driver’s license.If traffic laws were about safety there would not be drivers on the road with 10-12 DUI convictions.
So it’s okay for a cop to act as a bully during a meeting among his neighbors regarding rules and regulations in the subdivision?Corrupt individuals in the system is also no excuse
Not everywhere. The ones that want them illegal here are transplants to the area during the housing boom a few years back. Seatbelts were just recently made mandatory.Cell phones are, actually, illegal to be used while driving.
I inferred no such things. THe failure of others does not mitigate your own responsibility.So it’s okay for a cop to act as a bully during a meeting among his neighbors regarding rules and regulations in the subdivision?
Nobody else was allowed to bring a gun or nightstick there, the developer asked that those with a “concealed weapons permit” to leave their weapons at home.
And like I said, around here, it’s illegal for a cop to hide behind trees and run radar. They can sit there all they like, they just can’t pull anybody over. These tickets can be thrown out, it’s just that this area, being a tourist area, the out-of-staters just mail the fine in. Others just give up, since paying the fine is cheaper than the lawyer costs.
But if the officer is doing something illegal, then we should be allowed to know that (such as detecting them behind trees), and notify the proper authorities of their employees’ wrongdoing. They serve us, they need to follow the law too.
Not everywhere. The ones that want them illegal here are transplants to the area during the housing boom a few years back. Seatbelts were just recently made mandatory.
I am in total agreement that if speeding in any way contributes to the injury or death of anyone it shoul be punished. I am in no way advocating unlimited speed.Controlled access freeways are a different than city streets.Well, they are also for pedestrian safety. An adult pedestrian who is hit at 50 kph will receive a concussion, but not a coma. A child hit at 50 kph will receive a coma, which is why in child zones (school and playground) the speed limit is 30 kph - a child hit at 30 kph will receive a concussion but not a coma. An adult hit at 60 kph will receive a coma; a child hit at that speed will be killed. An adult pedestrian is killed at 70 kph and above.
Speed limits are also for the safety of other drivers. If traffic coming in from the on-ramp is accelerating from 50 kph to 80 kph, they will be able to merge safely, but if they are having to accelerate to 100 kph, collisions will occur - and with collisions at 100 kph, concussions and whiplash are likely to occur.
I mentioned above about cross-street traffic, as well - the speed of traffic has to be such that there is enough space in between the cars for the cross-street traffic to be able to cross over.
Cell phones are, actually, illegal to be used while driving.
If there are people out there driving who have had more than three DUI convictions, they are doing so without a legal driver’s license.
It’s a fair question, a fair comparison. Don’t side step my question, answer it. If you won’t answer it you are a phoney.Circumstances notwithstanding, we are clearly told in the scriptures to submit to legitimate authority, plain and simple. And to say your ancestors are burning in hell is your judgement, not mine. I have simply said to break a law that is not contrary to the Teachings of the Church is sin. If I am wrong, show me where we are allowed to break inconvenient laws. To say we can break any law we do not like is absolutely wrong.
We must obey authority. It is not may place to say who is or is not in hell.It’s a fair question, a fair comparison. Don’t side step my question, answer it. If you won’t answer it you are a phoney.
Well I do obey authority when its legitimate and acting legitimately. Speed laws do not apply the same way. First nobody’s speedometer is perfectly accurate. Police radar is even less accurate, if you don’t believe me have a cop aim on at a tree, it will register a speed every time. Then there is the age old law that the prevailing speed of traffic supercedes the speedlimit in most localities. It isn’t cut and dry like you would like it to be. I want to know when radar is being used near me because I don’t have total trust of the accuracy of the radar, and I don’t totally trust a cop with good motives is always using that radar.We must obey authority. It is not may place to say who is or is not in hell.
We don’t get to pick and choose which laws to obey. Just because we don’t understand the physics behind the speed laws, doesn’t mean we get to not follow those laws.Well I do obey authority when its legitimate and acting legitimately. Speed laws do not apply the same way.
My father has a friend who got a ticket for doing 3 mph over on a freeway and it heald up in front of the magistrate. I say my dad’s friend is not the one sinning, but the cop and magistrate are. They could be dealing with real crime instead. Speed does not kill its differential speed that kills, and the inability to control one’s car that kills. Even in the worst of weather ie like an ice sotrm I have very good control over my car. in 22 years of driving I have no accedents.We don’t get to pick and choose which laws to obey. Just because we don’t understand the physics behind the speed laws, doesn’t mean we get to not follow those laws.
I bet every driver who has ever killed or maimed a pedestrian thought at the time that they were driving at a safe speed for the conditions, and that the posted speed limit was wrong.
Don’t wait until you’ve killed someone or injured them permanently before realizing that, yes, the speed limits are there for a good reason.
There is a leeway of ~10 kph with the radar - if it registers you going 10 kph over the limit, you get a warning; not a ticket. Beyond that, you’re definitely speeding, and that’s when you get a ticket with a fine.
When the mortality of fetus’ are on the line… We can reject legitimate authority whenever it contradicts our beliefs. From the monkey madness of evolution to the ritualistic sacrifice of fetus’ to demons in so called “clinics”.So, where in the Catechism does it say we can reject legitimite authority if it is inconvenient?
A very fine point. The radar detectors could be used to perhaps lower your speed even further than the speed limit when in that zone. Say your in a 40mph zone, you travel at 40mph, but when you detect a radar you reduce to about 37, just in case.Well I do obey authority when its legitimate and acting legitimately. Speed laws do not apply the same way. First nobody’s speedometer is perfectly accurate. Police radar is even less accurate, if you don’t believe me have a cop aim on at a tree, it will register a speed every time. Then there is the age old law that the prevailing speed of traffic supercedes the speedlimit in most localities. It isn’t cut and dry like you would like it to be. I want to know when radar is being used near me because I don’t have total trust of the accuracy of the radar, and I don’t totally trust a cop with good motives is always using that radar.
Police use even the smallest infraction as “probable cause” to stop you.
If the police can fine you they will, so better be safe than sorry for paying a ridiculous fine.
They could be dealing with real crime instead.
What is the deal with all the negativity towards Law Enforcement? Lets not paint with such a broad brush shall we? There are some of us in this field who actually take your safety serious, even when you may not.I don’t totally trust a cop with good motives is always using that radar.