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AlanFromWichita
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Yes, you have demonstrated very clearly that your discussion with me is pointless. I kept trying to help you see a point out of it but since you can’t it’s probably better this way.
Yes, I guessed what you meant, but when you make such wild, reckless statements as the one you have just repeated yet again, then I have to wonder: where’s the camera? This has to be a setup, because frankly I’ve never met such resistance from a person who would repeatedly justify an incorrect, ignorant statement rather than correct it. I’ve also never encountered anyone before who continues to say X, but then admits that he really means Y instead, but persists in saying X. Ooh la la! That is some trick, and I thank you for being the first to show it to me.
Here’s hoping you will get a clue. Meanwhile, I think I’ll go make myself some evil coffee and get back to my software project. At least when the computer program gives me silly output, it can be easily fixed by reprogramming.
Good day, and if you want to try again at making sense I’m here to coach you along.
Meanwhile, next time I have a beer – which will probably be sometime before the end of this year – I’ll drink one extra, dedicated to you.
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AlanFromWichita
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Since this thread has been about, “is Alan an ignorant kook for disagreeing with thistle,” I’ll also make a summary “last word attempt” as it were on that issue:
1.) I am pleased to discuss other viewpoints and will listen to your reasons. I go out of my way to not only understand, but support other viewpoints when they are valid. When I understand them but see how others don’t, even if I disagree I am pleased to help explain. I’m not interested in whether you are “on my side” of the issue as much as hearing what you have to offer the discussion – and so I attempt to follow you wherever you are going so that I can reply with full understanding of what you are saying.
Part of that is from my training in empathy, required for counseling when I was a telephone volunteer for the Youth Crisis Hotline for Kansas Children’s Services League. Yes, I have heard plenty of stories about addiction, abduction, runaways, abusive fathers, molestation by mom’s boyfriend and mom doesn’t believe it, suicide attempts, trauma with doing English or math homework, and others.
Applicability: see point 2.
2.) When I sense an ad hominem attack, either explicit or as a presupposition to what is being said, I typically challenge the attack rather than implicitly buying into it by taking the “bait” which is usually the stated topic. When the attack is confirmed as valid and not just in my perception, then don’t expect me to give you a rhetorical inch because if you choose to separate me from you, then you are on your own until you accept me as a brother again in Christian unity.
Exception: see point 3
3.) If you repent of such an attack, or even admit to it without apology, then I am pleased to play the game again and point 2 becomes negotiable or completely thrown out, depending on the situation. I would rather have a discussion with someone who is honest about their hostility problem with me and recognizes its possible impact, than one who tries to confer such hostility onto me. If you blame me for your anger/judgment problem, then I pity you because you so don’t understand.
4.) All of us are foolish at times, and I expect nothing in particular from others. I do have a difficult time when someone repeats the same thing ad nauseum even knowing – if only intellectually – it is wrong. That just doesn’t make sense to me, and I admit it gets me curious to see how far a person will carry it.
5.) Point 4 may really be a personal problem on my part, because I have not yet accepted the prophecy of Proverbs. Personally, I’d rather be corrected than to be wrong, and that’s one thing I simply cannot understand in others. I do not condemn them for it; most of us learn in school that correction usually involves punishment or bad grades.
Proverbs 26:
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Back to the original topic:
I personally believe that the use of marijuana in moderation, in places and situations where it is legal, is not immoral. That is, I do not believe that its use would be offensive to God.
There are mitigating factors, I’m sure, that could make it immoral, but it is not intrinsically so.
Alan
1.) I am pleased to discuss other viewpoints and will listen to your reasons. I go out of my way to not only understand, but support other viewpoints when they are valid. When I understand them but see how others don’t, even if I disagree I am pleased to help explain. I’m not interested in whether you are “on my side” of the issue as much as hearing what you have to offer the discussion – and so I attempt to follow you wherever you are going so that I can reply with full understanding of what you are saying.
Part of that is from my training in empathy, required for counseling when I was a telephone volunteer for the Youth Crisis Hotline for Kansas Children’s Services League. Yes, I have heard plenty of stories about addiction, abduction, runaways, abusive fathers, molestation by mom’s boyfriend and mom doesn’t believe it, suicide attempts, trauma with doing English or math homework, and others.
Applicability: see point 2.
2.) When I sense an ad hominem attack, either explicit or as a presupposition to what is being said, I typically challenge the attack rather than implicitly buying into it by taking the “bait” which is usually the stated topic. When the attack is confirmed as valid and not just in my perception, then don’t expect me to give you a rhetorical inch because if you choose to separate me from you, then you are on your own until you accept me as a brother again in Christian unity.
Exception: see point 3
3.) If you repent of such an attack, or even admit to it without apology, then I am pleased to play the game again and point 2 becomes negotiable or completely thrown out, depending on the situation. I would rather have a discussion with someone who is honest about their hostility problem with me and recognizes its possible impact, than one who tries to confer such hostility onto me. If you blame me for your anger/judgment problem, then I pity you because you so don’t understand.
4.) All of us are foolish at times, and I expect nothing in particular from others. I do have a difficult time when someone repeats the same thing ad nauseum even knowing – if only intellectually – it is wrong. That just doesn’t make sense to me, and I admit it gets me curious to see how far a person will carry it.
5.) Point 4 may really be a personal problem on my part, because I have not yet accepted the prophecy of Proverbs. Personally, I’d rather be corrected than to be wrong, and that’s one thing I simply cannot understand in others. I do not condemn them for it; most of us learn in school that correction usually involves punishment or bad grades.
Proverbs 26:
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Back to the original topic:
I personally believe that the use of marijuana in moderation, in places and situations where it is legal, is not immoral. That is, I do not believe that its use would be offensive to God.
There are mitigating factors, I’m sure, that could make it immoral, but it is not intrinsically so.
Alan
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Ana
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This thread has become bogged down. Can we please stay ON TOPIC? The Church is reasonable and coherant. IF the Church’s position is that marijuana is immoral, than there is a reason. One that doesn’t involve blanket statements, personal accusations, and hostility. I for one really do want to know.
If you can’t answer and just want to say why you don’t or do use marijuana than start another thread.
If you want to dicuss the sin incurred by using a drug that is illegal than start another thread.
If you feel tempted to resort to personal attacks, than take a moment, go and pray.
Personal stories have their place, but for every story of the drug addict that “started with pot”, I can also point out one who smokes pot and are successful lawyers, scientists, teachers, husbands, wives, mothers and fathers. Neither side proves or disproves it’s immorality. The same case can be made for alcoholics vs. moderate drinkers.
Also, please do not make assumptions. The fact that the OP asked this question does not automatically make him a drug user, and whether or not he is, is in fact irrelevant to the topic.
mcliffor:
If you can’t answer and just want to say why you don’t or do use marijuana than start another thread.
If you want to dicuss the sin incurred by using a drug that is illegal than start another thread.
If you feel tempted to resort to personal attacks, than take a moment, go and pray.
Personal stories have their place, but for every story of the drug addict that “started with pot”, I can also point out one who smokes pot and are successful lawyers, scientists, teachers, husbands, wives, mothers and fathers. Neither side proves or disproves it’s immorality. The same case can be made for alcoholics vs. moderate drinkers.
Also, please do not make assumptions. The fact that the OP asked this question does not automatically make him a drug user, and whether or not he is, is in fact irrelevant to the topic.
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thistle,
Your statement to Alan, “no one here agrees with you” is wrong and irrelevant. I do not agree with everything that he said, but I do agree that this is an issue that deserves a closer look.
I am sure “no one here agrees with you” is said alot in the Church. But the Church is not “majority rules,” as was proven during the contraception debate when so many were sure the Church would “get with the times.”
Please people, there are some here who want to discuss this in
an intelligent way. Alan is one of them. Alan, PLEASE don’t feed the trolls.
If you don’t want to participate, then don’t, but flaming and personal attacks will do nothing but get this thread closed.
Your statement to Alan, “no one here agrees with you” is wrong and irrelevant. I do not agree with everything that he said, but I do agree that this is an issue that deserves a closer look.
I am sure “no one here agrees with you” is said alot in the Church. But the Church is not “majority rules,” as was proven during the contraception debate when so many were sure the Church would “get with the times.”
Please people, there are some here who want to discuss this in
an intelligent way. Alan is one of them. Alan, PLEASE don’t feed the trolls.
If you don’t want to participate, then don’t, but flaming and personal attacks will do nothing but get this thread closed.
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AlanFromWichita
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Actually, this brings up a point I was wondering about earlier.
The question was, is it immoral? Is that the same question as asking whether it is a sin? I’m pretty sure that if something is a sin, then it is immoral, but does the opposite hold true?
The paragraph thistle offered from the CCC does speak to this:
CCC 2291:
So far I’d say we have:
1.) drugs are to be used strictly for therapeutic purposes, and
2.) clandestine production of and trafficking are contrary to moral law.
Point 1:
There may be some “wiggle room” in the first assertion, as in many practical situations whether a drug is “therapeutic” (as opposed to, I suspect, “recreational”) is difficult to determine.
Therefore, with respect only to the first point, I’m looking at it as something fairly subjective, where it is the intent of the use that counts more than the means of obtaining it.
To that end, I would think the Church is saying that guy in Amsterdam, if enjoying the drug for recreational purposes and not “therapeutic” purposes, probably is violating the intent of this paragraph.
That brings in the rest of the issues, though. When a person smokes a cigarette to “calm down,” is that recreational or therapeutic? If people like the way they feel after drinking coffee and so do it, is that therapy or recreation? I’m not trying to expand the topic, but examining the topic in context.
This gives good guidance, but I think the vagueness might be intentional – as with Christ, one cannot judge simply on surface observations, but must dig within the heart. To put into written law a matter of the heart depends so much on the situation that an attempt to define it more precisely is probably futile if not prone to error.
Point 2:
There is little doubt about this. If you are consuming marijuana purchased illegally then I’d assume that also falls under the “trafficing” clause and hence it is immoral.
This point, however, does not speak to the situation in Alaska, where it is not illegal to grow one’s own and smoke it. In that case, I’d say the second criterion does not apply and we are back to the first – whether it is therapeutic.
Observation:
At the risk of reading something into the question that was not intended, “use of marijuana in moderation” does tend to suggest that it is not therapeutic – it certainly does not imply that directly, but “in moderation” is typically not the phrase, for example, a doctor would use to give the correct dosage. I’m not saying that automatically means it is immoral, because one can certainly use it on therapeutic grounds “in moderation.” Perhaps the “in moderation” was simply meant to exclude reckless, limitless abuse. If we haven’t driven the OP completely away from this thread by now, maybe we can get some clarification on that.
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AlanFromWichita
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Awww, but they’re so cute!Alan, PLEASE don’t feed the trolls.
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Ana
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I am looking forward to discussing some of the points brought up in your post, but real life calls. However I just had to respond to this paragraph. I have explored this topic in depth, through study, research and prayer. No matter from what angle I delve into this issue, this paragraph … almost word by word, is the conclusion I am inevitably forced to draw.
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Mike_Rainville
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Let me question that the discussion should be all about YOU.
It’s sinful for you to poison yourself, assuming it were possible to smoke in a sealed submarine, underwater, and clean the air perfectly, before popping the hatch. But you don’t clean up after your stinking selves do you? You don’t have an electrostatic or ultraviolet air cleaner in your apartment, do you? It wouldn’t matter much, because they only do about 97% AND you would probably need two or three units: they cost $500.00 or so, but with the cost of cigarretes and pot, they are probably out of your range.
Mostly it’s still illegal AND it should be. Whatever you say, smokers light up, POT or TOBACCO everywhere they feel like it. They don’t care if it’s legal or not. They light up in the subway, they fill their lungs with smoke, then breath it out on a crowded bus. They leave piles of burning cigarettes in large ashtrays near the entrances of buildings, where the poison, and it IS poison, blows in every time the door opens. They even light up INSIDE as they are going out, after all what’s a little smoke.
What you are funding is the addiction of teenagers to these and harder drugs, and the activities organized criminals who exploit their misery and fund many other unsavory activities with the proceeds.
Having been FORCED to MOVE by a large gang of smokers, who rented apartments all around me, some doing POT, I am STILL being poisoned all day, by just ONE, because NOW I am ALLERGIC to cigarette and pot smoke. It’s sheer torture when he has his friends over for a card party, because the smoke doesn’t clear enough for me to sleep, until long after the moron has gone to bed. I cough for hours on end, even with the “military” air cleaner and windows open (it gets in that way too).
There’s enough of the stink on YOUR clothes to make my eyes water, my nose run, and cough, if you just stand next to me on the bus.
You are in the hands of the devil, and you are dragging many into the pit with you. Stop blowing smoke into our faces, and JUST QUIT NOW. Yes, I even saw one of you blowing smoke right into a BABY’s face.
Now ask again, is it moral to destroy the lives or futures of OTHER people, against their will. Is it right to inflict deadly cancer, the removal of lung lobes, the carving up of a face, the lingering slow death by emphysema, or just the discomfort of endless exposure to allergens and carcinogens? Well IS IT?
It’s sinful for you to poison yourself, assuming it were possible to smoke in a sealed submarine, underwater, and clean the air perfectly, before popping the hatch. But you don’t clean up after your stinking selves do you? You don’t have an electrostatic or ultraviolet air cleaner in your apartment, do you? It wouldn’t matter much, because they only do about 97% AND you would probably need two or three units: they cost $500.00 or so, but with the cost of cigarretes and pot, they are probably out of your range.
Mostly it’s still illegal AND it should be. Whatever you say, smokers light up, POT or TOBACCO everywhere they feel like it. They don’t care if it’s legal or not. They light up in the subway, they fill their lungs with smoke, then breath it out on a crowded bus. They leave piles of burning cigarettes in large ashtrays near the entrances of buildings, where the poison, and it IS poison, blows in every time the door opens. They even light up INSIDE as they are going out, after all what’s a little smoke.
What you are funding is the addiction of teenagers to these and harder drugs, and the activities organized criminals who exploit their misery and fund many other unsavory activities with the proceeds.
Having been FORCED to MOVE by a large gang of smokers, who rented apartments all around me, some doing POT, I am STILL being poisoned all day, by just ONE, because NOW I am ALLERGIC to cigarette and pot smoke. It’s sheer torture when he has his friends over for a card party, because the smoke doesn’t clear enough for me to sleep, until long after the moron has gone to bed. I cough for hours on end, even with the “military” air cleaner and windows open (it gets in that way too).
There’s enough of the stink on YOUR clothes to make my eyes water, my nose run, and cough, if you just stand next to me on the bus.
You are in the hands of the devil, and you are dragging many into the pit with you. Stop blowing smoke into our faces, and JUST QUIT NOW. Yes, I even saw one of you blowing smoke right into a BABY’s face.
Now ask again, is it moral to destroy the lives or futures of OTHER people, against their will. Is it right to inflict deadly cancer, the removal of lung lobes, the carving up of a face, the lingering slow death by emphysema, or just the discomfort of endless exposure to allergens and carcinogens? Well IS IT?
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AlanFromWichita
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Mike Rainville:
Is there someone on the thread we know to be a current smoker or are you speaking in general to those who live around you?
I have smoked in the past, and been around quite a few smokers (even cigarette smoke – yuck) but I never saw anybody blow smoke into a baby’s face. If that were done intentionally, or even by accident more than once, I certainly agree that is a problem.
Alan
edit: you added to your post since my response, so I will review the new sections and reply in a different post. Maybe you have addressed my questions…
To whom do you speak?
Is there someone on the thread we know to be a current smoker or are you speaking in general to those who live around you?
I have smoked in the past, and been around quite a few smokers (even cigarette smoke – yuck) but I never saw anybody blow smoke into a baby’s face. If that were done intentionally, or even by accident more than once, I certainly agree that is a problem.
Alan
edit: you added to your post since my response, so I will review the new sections and reply in a different post. Maybe you have addressed my questions…
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AlanFromWichita
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Must … resist …Alan, PLEASE don’t feed the trolls.
Just remembered I need to start another load of laundry.
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ncjohn
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Since 2290 discusses “temperance” in the use of such things as cigarettes, alcohol, and medicines, it appears that the Church is not condemning the use of all substances that can be used “recreationally” or for personal relaxation. At the least, that would imply to me that marijuana, which has no worse effects than alcohol or cigarettes, would probably not be a “condemned” substance in and of itself, although I’m sure there are circumstances where it could be considered to be “grave.”
For the same reasons, I would argue that its use would not be inherently immoral, and in places where it is legal, would not be sinful. Even in places where it is illegal, I would postulate that the sin or immorality would be in disregarding lawful authority rather than the use itself.
As I understand the original post, that would be my understanding of a response, although I don’t claim to be a Canon lawyer or know how the Church is interpreting those sections with regards to marijuana. The fact that I cannot recall having seen a single instance of the Church making an issue of marijuana though would tend to lead me to believe that my interpretation wouldn’t be far off.
All that being said, I tried my best with my kids to show them the joy of “life” that could be ruined by trying to find their joy by escaping life. It seems to have worked with them, so between us I’m going to bet we’ll be trying the same approach with their kids while praying that someone else with other ideas won’t hold greater influence.
Peace,
For the same reasons, I would argue that its use would not be inherently immoral, and in places where it is legal, would not be sinful. Even in places where it is illegal, I would postulate that the sin or immorality would be in disregarding lawful authority rather than the use itself.
As I understand the original post, that would be my understanding of a response, although I don’t claim to be a Canon lawyer or know how the Church is interpreting those sections with regards to marijuana. The fact that I cannot recall having seen a single instance of the Church making an issue of marijuana though would tend to lead me to believe that my interpretation wouldn’t be far off.
All that being said, I tried my best with my kids to show them the joy of “life” that could be ruined by trying to find their joy by escaping life. It seems to have worked with them, so between us I’m going to bet we’ll be trying the same approach with their kids while praying that someone else with other ideas won’t hold greater influence.
Peace,
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Ana
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Although I have heard the term soapbox … I am not 100% sure what it means. I thought it was someone rambling in a preachy like way. I didn’t think any of my posts were long enough to meet that criteria, but perhaps my whole definition is wrong.
Regardless, I never intended to enter into any kind of win/lose thing with you. I am just trying to explore this topic. I am sorry if I hurt your feelings in any way.Responding to your statement as to why you think it is immoral, I was wondering on what basis you have drawn that conclusion. I may respond to any points you bring up, but please be certain I am not trying to convince you of anything … simply seeking a deeper understanding of the topic.
God bless!
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Ana
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This is how I understand it too, but I am willing to be convinced otherwise. I just can’t seem to find an opposite conclusion that makes as much sense and doesn’t contradict something else the Church teaches. Your first paragraph is the only way this topic can be viewed and still remain in harmony with Church teaching (as it has revealed itself thus far), as far as I can tell. BUT I am not a canon lawyer either.
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AlanFromWichita
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It’s interesting you put it that way.
Certainly I will get raked over the coals for stating this, but in my experience there are times when pot smokers use it for reasons not too different than contemplative prayer. Please hear me out just a minute before you jump on that.
I’ve known people who worked in terrible situations, and when they got too worked up or anxious, they would go out and smoke some perhaps on extended break. That gave them their “escape,” and for a few minutes they could forget their troubles and get calmed down and ready to go back.
With contemplative prayer, we seek to detach ourselves from the “real world” by not interacting with it other than sitting quietly, sometimes with eyes closed depending on the “brand” of contemplative prayer (
) so that God can speak to us without the usual worldly business going on in our heads.So my claim is that – for SOME smokers – they seek escape or detachment from the world just as those who practice contemplative prayer forms.
They differ at least in that contemplative prayer is not illegal here, does not introduce chemicals and carcinogens into the body, and does not call on not expect the kind of instant results one typically expects with smoking pot.
IMO, there are pot smokers who are using the substance when they could get the same “escape” with prayer forms, but there are a couple reasons they don’t do that. One is that few people know about it; the other is that sometimes the people smoking pot for an escape are partially escaping from religious leaders so they probably “trust” the pot more than whatever a “religious person” tells them.
A year or so ago I met some young people and yes, they were smoking. I didn’t smoke with them, but neither did I panic or chastise them. I talked to them and they got all philosophical like pot smokers sometimes like to do (the ones who don’t veg out anyway) and was able to help them formulate some of their points. Of course, once they started accepting the points, as time went on I made it known that those points were actually Catholic teachings. I think I made some progress, but I can’t say whether any of them turned toward the Bible – just that they heard some of the Good News, and it applied directly to their problems and situations. They seemed really intrigued and one of them even said of my spiritual director after I explained something he had told me, “for a priest he sounds pretty cool.” OK, for me that’s a form of evangelizing. I’m not so concerned about converting Baptists to Catholics as I am in turning those who given up on God to take a fresh look through different eyes.
For the record, I am not trying to say that contemplative prayer and pot smoking are interchangeable or that they are similarly moral – only that some of the same human conditions drive people to either one, depending on their resources and tendencies. I am suggesting that a desire for a momentary “escape” is not necessarily a bad thing, or else we could never escape or get control of our false selves.
Alan
PS note to anyone who reads into my post that I am claiming prayer and pot are morally and/or effectively the same thing: I will tell you in advance how I intend to reply to such a charge – I will most likely just give you one of these
coupled with a comment such as “beam me up Scotty” or other cliche.
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AlanFromWichita
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Now that you mention it, it does seem strange that we seek answers to morality questions based on lawyers interpreting written codes. This is what we do in general, not just on this topic. Is that a true implementation of the Good News?
I’m not suggesting anything at all; I just thought I’d ask.
Alan
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Lost_Found
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It’s immoral.
Don’t miss out on the life Christ invites you to live, because of an impaired mind. Don’t let marijuana mute your inner voice and replace it with its own agenda from hell. Don’t miss out on the relationships that Christ will make possible for you, and replace them with a group bound together by a blurred vision.
It will ruin your life and you won’t even be in a condition to realize it. Sorry if that’s not what you wanted to hear.
Don’t miss out on the life Christ invites you to live, because of an impaired mind. Don’t let marijuana mute your inner voice and replace it with its own agenda from hell. Don’t miss out on the relationships that Christ will make possible for you, and replace them with a group bound together by a blurred vision.
It will ruin your life and you won’t even be in a condition to realize it. Sorry if that’s not what you wanted to hear.
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AlanFromWichita
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Lost&Found:
Alan
A dead plant with an agenda? Must be “smarter” than I thought.
Alan
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Mike_Rainville
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At my last real world dwelling, there were two apartments with smokers, after which three more apartments were rented to smokers. After that I spent 6 months coughing, forced into the street in the middle of the night, forced to sleep at the office, and eventually, developed an extreme sensitivity to pot and cigarette smoke. There was no window I could open and it was coming through every heating vent, especially late at night.
Now, there’s just one smoker, sometimes with a few friends over to visit, and the smoke is always in the bathroom; when they party, or the woman next door has a visit from her pot-smoking son, I choke, sneeze, cough, and sometime even vomit.
The smoke in a baby’s face is a true story, but it wasn’t deliberate; she was just OBLIVIOUS. The baby was 7 feet in front of her in a stationary baby carriage, and she was seated across the table from it.
The main point you should all consider is this: However little you smoke, and whatever you smoke, you can’t know if that next puff of carcinogen, allergen, or just plain discomfort, will be the one that triggers a deadly cancer, a permanent allergy, some form of emphysema or asthma, or just drives someone over the edge of sanity.
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NathanCarson
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I was a pothead for about 7 years. I smoked weed every day for about 3 years. I was not just a normal smoker. Parties, etc. I smoked. That’s what I did. Everybody I knew smoked. Strangers I met in the street smoked. I smoked in the street. I smoked at work. Home. I was high…always. Not off no stress weed neither. I smoked that good Santa Fe, NM bud. I smoked that straight from mexico sticky green brick when I was cheap. I smoked that homegrown goodness. I’ve smoked that for real blueberry, I mean, the bud was BLUE. Dark blue. I smoked that REAL purple, forget what New York has. New York is garbage. I smoked that Indian weed. I’ve smoked an ounce in a day, to the head, before. 4 blunts in a day was an average thing, and that was really moderation. These weren’t small blunts neither. I’ve smoked that Cali bud. The “cat piss”. So potent, when you smoke it the room smells like cat piss. I smoked bud so strong, you could have it rolled up, sealed up, in the baggy, and put on the table 5 feet away from me and the pungent odor was still in my nose like I was sniffing the bud right to my face. I mean, so potent, you couldn’t even inhale it without choking (and that’s from someone who smoked weed CONSTANTLY, it was that strong).
My point is, I think this makes me an authority on marijuana. I’ve smoked it, grown it, sold it, philosophized about it…hell I made it into an idol and a false god.
The whole time I was smoking, first I went up…then I went down. I had lots and lots and lots of friends. ALWAYS knew where the party was at. Knew lots of girls. Lived in my own apartment. In a beautiful city in the desert mountains, in the best part of town. Yet the whole time something was missing. God. Not God…Jesus. I believed in God. I spent lots of time trying to to find God. I thought I had a pretty good understanding (I was completely delusional with my theories).
When I decided to pray to Jesus that he forgive me and come into my life, with the prompting of a minister who broke me down one day. After that, I couldn’t smoke marijuana anymore. In my mind nothing had changed. I was still gonna get high. I wasn’t changing that fact. I loved the weed. I still love weed. God made it. However, in this day and age, it’s not something good. When I started on my path to giving my life to Jesus, I could not smoke weed anymore. I wanted to. I would try. Everytime I’d get high though, I’d hear the devil laughing in my head. People would give me bud with PCP/formaldahyde/drycleaning fluid in it. When it came to smoking I was a pro. I didn’t get paranoid. I used to smoke blunts walking down the street going home from work. I’ve smoked weed right in the middle of a city plaza. So much potent weed that I would listen to music and stare at the walls in my empty apartment when I first moved in. That whole first winter, all I did was get so high that I didn’t even know where I was anymore. Like I said, on ounce in a day, by myself. Thats like 5 big blunts I smoked. I never got scared smoking weed. Gave my life to Jesus hands, suddenly I get paranoid everytime I smoke marijuana. That’s like someone who smokes a pack of cigarettes of day, having trouble inhaling a marlboro. It doesn’t happen. I used to go to a friends house, smoke their weed all day, come home and smoke my weed until the bag was gone. Just bowl after bowl, joint after joint. It took two blunts to the face just to get me high sometimes.
With God’s help I haven’t smoked marijauna or drank alcohol in 11 months.
You know what your saying in this post?
“I know smoking weed is wrong, but can you rationalize it for me so I can still do it”.
Now I have a friend who believes in Jesus and considers himself a christian. He’s a really nice guy, but he doesn’t go to church or anything. He smokes herb every day. He’s 37 years old. I love him though, he’s a good dude. He’s not catholic. If you wanna live the true gospel, you have to be catholic. You already know this I assume, that’s why your on the catholic site. You can’t smoke marijuana. Even in moderation.
Next time don’t post a message on this board, ask your priest. You were probably too scared to ask your priest though. Cause you know very well what he would say. Come on. Can you imagine Jesus and the apostles getting high? Were they passing around herb rolled up in papyrus leaves at the last supper? Man hell no.
Now, wether or not it’s mortal or venial I can’t say.
My point is, I think this makes me an authority on marijuana. I’ve smoked it, grown it, sold it, philosophized about it…hell I made it into an idol and a false god.
The whole time I was smoking, first I went up…then I went down. I had lots and lots and lots of friends. ALWAYS knew where the party was at. Knew lots of girls. Lived in my own apartment. In a beautiful city in the desert mountains, in the best part of town. Yet the whole time something was missing. God. Not God…Jesus. I believed in God. I spent lots of time trying to to find God. I thought I had a pretty good understanding (I was completely delusional with my theories).
When I decided to pray to Jesus that he forgive me and come into my life, with the prompting of a minister who broke me down one day. After that, I couldn’t smoke marijuana anymore. In my mind nothing had changed. I was still gonna get high. I wasn’t changing that fact. I loved the weed. I still love weed. God made it. However, in this day and age, it’s not something good. When I started on my path to giving my life to Jesus, I could not smoke weed anymore. I wanted to. I would try. Everytime I’d get high though, I’d hear the devil laughing in my head. People would give me bud with PCP/formaldahyde/drycleaning fluid in it. When it came to smoking I was a pro. I didn’t get paranoid. I used to smoke blunts walking down the street going home from work. I’ve smoked weed right in the middle of a city plaza. So much potent weed that I would listen to music and stare at the walls in my empty apartment when I first moved in. That whole first winter, all I did was get so high that I didn’t even know where I was anymore. Like I said, on ounce in a day, by myself. Thats like 5 big blunts I smoked. I never got scared smoking weed. Gave my life to Jesus hands, suddenly I get paranoid everytime I smoke marijuana. That’s like someone who smokes a pack of cigarettes of day, having trouble inhaling a marlboro. It doesn’t happen. I used to go to a friends house, smoke their weed all day, come home and smoke my weed until the bag was gone. Just bowl after bowl, joint after joint. It took two blunts to the face just to get me high sometimes.
With God’s help I haven’t smoked marijauna or drank alcohol in 11 months.
You know what your saying in this post?
“I know smoking weed is wrong, but can you rationalize it for me so I can still do it”.
Now I have a friend who believes in Jesus and considers himself a christian. He’s a really nice guy, but he doesn’t go to church or anything. He smokes herb every day. He’s 37 years old. I love him though, he’s a good dude. He’s not catholic. If you wanna live the true gospel, you have to be catholic. You already know this I assume, that’s why your on the catholic site. You can’t smoke marijuana. Even in moderation.
Next time don’t post a message on this board, ask your priest. You were probably too scared to ask your priest though. Cause you know very well what he would say. Come on. Can you imagine Jesus and the apostles getting high? Were they passing around herb rolled up in papyrus leaves at the last supper? Man hell no.
Now, wether or not it’s mortal or venial I can’t say.
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