Is the Vatican close to clearing up the issue on the requirements for headcoverings?

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I think it is more wishful thinking on the part of some. I really believe with all the Vatican has to deal with,headcoverings for women is pretty much a non issue…
You may well be right, I did see a group of people mention it somewhere on CAF but it was hell of a longtime back, then some friends mentioned something similarly about it- so I posted on here to clarify if anyone heard anything similar…Now the thread as turned into the rights and wrongs of head coverings! Not my intention!

Peace.🙂
 
Hi this is not to start another thread on headcoverings, on whether they are required or not.

But rather I heard awhile on this forum that were some rumblings in the Vatican, in regards to clearing up this issue. As anyone got any thoughts on how Rome is looking at this? Or maybe they still see it as a minor issue?
What issue is that?
 
You all don’t recall the days before JFK when any well dressed man wore a hat unless indoors. JFK wore a suit and son of a gun, no hat. It didn’t take men long to dump the hat unless exposure to the elements was a problem. Now the newer generations wear those baseball caps, sometimes correctly and some times ax-backwards. Course lots of men don’t wear suits anymore either whether in the office or out and lots of young guys wear their caps both inside and outside. Sometimes I wonder if our women would go back to covering their heads in church, God would not punish us by inflicting those darn baseball caps on us guys. But then the well dressed soldier doesn’t wear a metal breastplate anymore either and even ladies don’t wear girdles. They must have gone out with ladies head coverings in Church. 🙂
 
You’re darn tootn kiddo. 😉 Peace. I really think the covering of women’s heads is a remant of Middle East dress. Although the Jews did not demand the burka as is demanded in Muslim countries, they did separate their women at synagogue and all the “pictures” I have seen of Jewish women of long ago, show them with their heads covered. Then what do I know? All I know is, if they bring back the head coverings, until the men have to cover their bald pates, I’ll stand by the door for Mass. 🙂 Peace.
Isn’t obedience grand?
 
Why not wear the traditional formal wear for the part of the world we are in? For us in the Americas, that’s pre-Columbian formalwear. I think here it’s something like a straw circular peaked hat and a poncho of reeds, a rainshedding skirt of reeds and a richly decorated skin robe with skin slippers under reed or grass clogs.
 
Please forgive me if I am off topic. I know you don’t want to get a thread on the headcovering argument going. I doubt the Vatican is going to make any statement on headcovering. That being said, I think it would be nice to wear a headcovering. I would get one of those pretty black mantilla types that I have seen. So far I haven’t had the nerve to stick out like a sore thumb. Then I read in that blog that one of the posters listed that it can be an act of humility when you are the only one wearing one. Something to think about. Personally, I like being a lady and being feminine. I do think that all this women’s lib stuff is a bit old. I think we’ve all gotten the point.
Whether headcoverings are mandated or not, right or wrong, I like the idea of reverence being a reason to wear one for those who choose to. I pick up on so much hostility in some of the posts regarding anything that requires obedience or even if there is a concern that something will possibly be asked of us that doesn’t suit.
 
You’re darn tootn kiddo. 😉 Peace. I really think the covering of women’s heads is a remant of Middle East dress. Although the Jews did not demand the burka as is demanded in Muslim countries, they did separate their women at synagogue and all the “pictures” I have seen of Jewish women of long ago, show them with their heads covered. Then what do I know? All I know is, if they bring back the head coverings, until the men have to cover their bald pates, I’ll stand by the door for Mass. 🙂 Peace.
That’s a good atittude; I’ll obey the Church rules so long as I agree with them???🤷

Come on. Where are al the cries from jewish men about having to wear yamichas? Who cares?

Rome doesn’t mandate currently. if they did for men, or women, we’d need to obey. Whether or not we agree with them is irrelevant, and our opinion of Church mandates doesn’t matter at all.

God, the Holy Spirit, and Vatican know more than any of us. Right now, they don’t mandate head coverings, so it is fine with me. If they mandated that men only wear skirts tomorrow, i’d do that too. Why would I care?

The only thing that would prevent me would be my own pride.
 
I pick up on so much hostility in some of the posts regarding anything that requires obedience or even if there is a concern that something will possibly be asked of us that doesn’t suit.
Well, it is awfully hard to ‘read the heart’ when you just have words on a ‘virtual’ page (even with emoticons).

I too have considered wearing a mantilla (and like jeanann, not for show or trying to look uber-pious but as a personal act of humility).

And like Jeanann, I ‘picked up hostility’ from looking a posts on both sides, from the ones who seemed to call any woman who chose not to wear a covering as a liberal feminist with obedience issues as well as those who seemed to call any woman who chose TO wear a covering as a repressed traitor who wanted to drag all women back to the stone age with holier-than-thouism.

And then, I stopped again.

Was the hostility really directed at what was actually being said in posts–or not? And I have to say that in my opinion a lot of the hostility seemed to spark not from what was said at first but instead from what was implied.

Once the first person ‘picked up’ an implied criticism, she/he jumped back with a response that also itself implied criticism right back.

And from then on, even the most mildly phrased post was judged, not for its actual content, but on whether the poster was seen to be on side A --I would wear a covering or side B --I would not wear a headcovering. No matter what the poster’s own reason was for her choice, the only thing that mattered to a responder was whether this poster agreed with the responder’s position.

If a responder agreed with the poster, there would be all sorts of positive feedback. If not–the poster would be called names. And then of course quite often the poster would then respond, “why are you criticizing me for something I don’t do”, would then be accused of “going off topic”, and the whole discussion would turn into a frenzy of charges and countercharges until (mercifully) the mods would close down the thread.

This happens in too many threads, and it really shouldn’t. Many people seem to be unable to grasp the concept of debate/discussion being to express one’s position, and then to listen to another’s expression of his position, and then --without attacking, denigrating, assuming, or dismissing the other’s position-- to continue to discuss, calmly and politely, why YOU believe as you do, and to seek further enlightenment from others as to why THEY believe as THEY do. And finally, to express to the others, “Thank you for explaining your beliefs. I feel that I understand your beliefs and why you believe. I hope you understand my beliefs and why I believe. If you don’t understand them, I’ll be happy to continue to explain. If you understand and don’t want to consider them, then we can stop the discussion and move on to something else.”
 
Well, it is awfully hard to ‘read the heart’ when you just have words on a ‘virtual’ page (even with emoticons).

I too have considered wearing a mantilla (and like jeanann, not for show or trying to look uber-pious but as a personal act of humility).

And like Jeanann, I ‘picked up hostility’ from looking a posts on both sides, from the ones who seemed to call any woman who chose not to wear a covering as a liberal feminist with obedience issues as well as those who seemed to call any woman who chose TO wear a covering as a repressed traitor who wanted to drag all women back to the stone age with holier-than-thouism.

And then, I stopped again.

Was the hostility really directed at what was actually being said in posts–or not? And I have to say that in my opinion a lot of the hostility seemed to spark not from what was said at first but instead from what was implied.

Once the first person ‘picked up’ an implied criticism, she/he jumped back with a response that also itself implied criticism right back.

And from then on, even the most mildly phrased post was judged, not for its actual content, but on whether the poster was seen to be on side A --I would wear a covering or side B --I would not wear a headcovering. No matter what the poster’s own reason was for her choice, the only thing that mattered to a responder was whether this poster agreed with the responder’s position.

If a responder agreed with the poster, there would be all sorts of positive feedback. If not–the poster would be called names. And then of course quite often the poster would then respond, “why are you criticizing me for something I don’t do”, would then be accused of “going off topic”, and the whole discussion would turn into a frenzy of charges and countercharges until (mercifully) the mods would close down the thread.

This happens in too many threads, and it really shouldn’t. Many people seem to be unable to grasp the concept of debate/discussion being to express one’s position, and then to listen to another’s expression of his position, and then --without attacking, denigrating, assuming, or dismissing the other’s position-- to continue to discuss, calmly and politely, why YOU believe as you do, and to seek further enlightenment from others as to why THEY believe as THEY do. And finally, to express to the others, “Thank you for explaining your beliefs. I feel that I understand your beliefs and why you believe. I hope you understand my beliefs and why I believe. If you don’t understand them, I’ll be happy to continue to explain. If you understand and don’t want to consider them, then we can stop the discussion and move on to something else.”
The problem is when people express beliefs that are flat out wrong (Women should be priests, for example), it is dangerous to souls in a public forum and must be squashed in no uncertain terms.

For every person who posts here, there are hundreds who wander by to learn and never say a thing. How mnay of them are lead towards hell by lies and falsehoods?
 
Please forgive me if I am off topic. I know you don’t want to get a thread on the headcovering argument going. I doubt the Vatican is going to make any statement on headcovering. That being said, I think it would be nice to wear a headcovering. I would get one of those pretty black mantilla types that I have seen. So far I haven’t had the nerve to stick out like a sore thumb. Then I read in that blog that one of the posters listed that it can be an act of humility when you are the only one wearing one. Something to think about. Personally, I like being a lady and being feminine. I do think that all this women’s lib stuff is a bit old. I think we’ve all gotten the point.
Whether headcoverings are mandated or not, right or wrong, I like the idea of reverence being a reason to wear one for those who choose to. I pick up on so much hostility in some of the posts regarding anything that requires obedience or even if there is a concern that something will possibly be asked of us that doesn’t suit.
I just don’t understand why those who want to wear a mantilla, a kerchief, a hat or whatever head covering they prefer don’t simply go ahead and do so without trying to impose their particular piety on everyone else. Rome removed the requirement that women cover their heads. Big deal. If Rome brought the rule back I’d obey but I wouldn’t feel any more pious for doing so. I attended too many school Masses/Confessions with a kleenex bobbypinned to my short hair. Didn’t feel particularly pious then, just obedient if silly-looking.
 
I just don’t understand why those who want to wear a mantilla, a kerchief, a hat or whatever head covering they prefer don’t simply go ahead and do so without trying to impose their particular piety on everyone else. Rome removed the requirement that women cover their heads. Big deal. If Rome brought the rule back I’d obey but I wouldn’t feel any more pious for doing so. I attended too many school Masses/Confessions with a kleenex bobbypinned to my short hair. Didn’t feel particularly pious then, just obedient if silly-looking.
Like I said, that’s how I’d feel if Rome made men wear skirts. I’d do it even if I felt silly. I am in no position to question Rome.
 
Interesting thread. I felt the desire to start wearing a mantilla to church a couple of months ago. I kept telling myself I was just being silly or longing for an unimportant custom/tradition. I started shopping for a mantilla - online and in Catholic stores. All the time questioning myself & my motives. I finally bought one. Then wondered if I had the nerve to wear it. I was afraid that I might get a “holier than thou” reaction. Wore for the first time to mass on Holy Thursday. I haven’t had any reactions… to my face anyway. But I felt that people must have thought that I was quite a sinner to be humbling myself so much. It does make me feel more respectful & reverent.( not like the kleenex & bobby pin of my youth). So I like it for me. It’s like putting on something special for the Lord.
 
Interesting thread. I felt the desire to start wearing a mantilla to church a couple of months ago. I kept telling myself I was just being silly or longing for an unimportant custom/tradition. I started shopping for a mantilla - online and in Catholic stores. All the time questioning myself & my motives. I finally bought one. Then wondered if I had the nerve to wear it. I was afraid that I might get a “holier than thou” reaction. Wore for the first time to mass on Holy Thursday. I haven’t had any reactions… to my face anyway. But I felt that people must have thought that I was quite a sinner to be humbling myself so much. It does make me feel more respectful & reverent.( not like the kleenex & bobby pin of my youth). So I like it for me. It’s like putting on something special for the Lord.
Nice post. Admirable attitude, stemming from the virtues of charity, humility, and modesty. I will add that tradition and custom is not unimportant by any means.
 
Married women who are Orthodox Jews still cover their hair, always in Synagogue, but often whenever they are outside the home. Often that is done by wearing a wig, not necessarily a hat or scarf.
What is the thought, or belief fo the women’s head covering? Ar the women still separated from the men at synagogue? What about Reformed Jewish?
Thanks. Peace.
 
Married women who are Orthodox Jews still cover their hair, always in Synagogue, but often whenever they are outside the home. Often that is done by wearing a wig, not necessarily a hat or scarf.
You use a computer don’t you? Was the computer somehow an organic growth from the technology that came before?

Of course novelty isn’t inherently bad, not even in matters pertaining to the faith, if it be novelties of discipline rather than dogma or doctrine and a permitted novelty rather than an abuse of those disciplines. Discipline usually needs to be changed from time to time, whether it be in novel or organic ways.

And who says veiling wasn’t removed for the entirely good and sufficient reason that it’s an unnecessary and oftentimes overly burdensome custom without normative value?
I wore a head covering to Mass during Grade and High School . When the church said we ladies no longer had to do so, I followed my Church. But I do think that if the practice was re-initiated, I would have diffficutly accepting it in this day and age. I think the head covering habit is ,perhaps ,a left over from Jewish Tradition, but I have also heard that in the Middle Ages, it was enforced because the priests thought a maiden’s long flowing locks would be a distraction to the gentlemen during Mass. That is just something I heard, don’t know if it is true. 🙂 Peace.
 
Even as a male I don’t want us to ever go back to making it obligatory for the female to wear a head covering.
 
Like I said, that’s how I’d feel if Rome made men wear skirts. I’d do it even if I felt silly. I am in no position to question Rome.
So if Rome told you to jump off a bridge would you do that? Some things are meant to be questioned and not blindly followed.
 
I wore a head covering to Mass during Grade and High School . When the church said we ladies no longer had to do so, I followed my Church. But I do think that if the practice was re-initiated, I would have diffficutly accepting it in this day and age. I think the head covering habit is ,perhaps ,a left over from Jewish Tradition, but I have also heard that in the Middle Ages, it was enforced because the priests thought a maiden’s long flowing locks would be a distraction to the gentlemen during Mass. That is just something I heard, don’t know if it is true. 🙂 Peace.
But why would our opinion of it matter, if Rome spoke?

There are probably people who think it is wrong for women NOT to be onligated to wear a mantia. But their opinion isn’t relevant either right now.
 
But why would our opinion of it matter, if Rome spoke?

There are probably people who think it is wrong for women NOT to be onligated to wear a mantia. But their opinion isn’t relevant either right now.
Neither is this discussion. Don’t know why I write to any post on CAF.
 
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