Is the Vatican close to clearing up the issue on the requirements for headcoverings?

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That may be, yet still I feel the same regardless of this post and those that quoted me and followed. You know, I have had it up to the ears with the politically correct jargon that is so evident today, and I feel that because I have stated an unpopular (by today’s standard) opinion, that I am targeted. Well, I will not back down from holding a true and clearly correct opinion that many wish to confuse with being a superior attitude. I can fairly say that I am being labeled judgmental, uncharitable, and narrow minded by others. The door swings both ways, people.
‘True and clearly correct’? Truer and more clearly correct than the opinion of the Pope, obviously, who gave the lady Communion. That’s what worries me about your opinion.

I don’t give a stuff about whether it is popular or politically correct or not. I’ve taken many an unpopular and politically incorrect stand myself and am happy for you to do so too - when you can back it up with genuine Magisterial teaching, which you can’t.

Being unpopular and politically incorrect and in accord with the Magisterium is what makes you right. Being unpopular, politically incorrect and* not * in accord with the Magisterium - well, you’re just as likely to be clearly wrong as clearly right, regardless of your own feelings on the matter, no? Even Luther thought he was right and persecuted, it means nothing.
 
When I look at this picture, I can’t help but think how much nicer it would look if this woman were wearing a veil and a skirt or dress. What is there to define the dignity of this woman in pants and with a careless bare head in the presence of the Holy Father? Nothing I am afraid to say. What is there to define that she is Catholic? Again, nothing I am afraid to say.
She looks pretty good as is…

Notice the ridiculous position of the paten – as if it would do any good if a host was actually dropped…
 
When I look at this picture, I can’t help but think how much nicer it would look if this woman were wearing a veil and a skirt or dress. What is there to define the dignity of this woman in pants and with a careless bare head in the presence of the Holy Father? Nothing I am afraid to say. What is there to define that she is Catholic? Again, nothing I am afraid to say.
The fact that she is receiving the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ from His Vicar here on Earth and not some rather odd preference for hats, veils and skirts?
 
‘True and clearly correct’? Truer and more clearly correct than the opinion of the Pope, obviously, who gave the lady Communion. That’s what worries me about your opinion.

I don’t give a stuff about whether it is popular or politically correct or not. I’ve taken many an unpopular and politically incorrect stand myself and am happy for you to do so too - when you can back it up with genuine Magisterial teaching, which you can’t.

Being unpopular and politically incorrect and in accord with the Magisterium is what makes you right. Being unpopular, politically incorrect and* not * in accord with the Magisterium - well, you’re just as likely to be clearly wrong as clearly right, regardless of your own feelings on the matter, no? Even Luther thought he was right and persecuted, it means nothing.
Yes, truer and more clear than the pope, and I might add that this is the same pope that gave communion to a Protestant, prayed in the Blue Mosque, placated the Jews with the new Good Friday Prayer, plans to visit a synagogue while visiting New York, for Passover no less…give me a break on the sanctimonious drivel above.
 
When I look at this picture, I can’t help but think how much nicer it would look if this woman were wearing a veil and a skirt or dress. What is there to define the dignity of this woman in pants and with a careless bare head in the presence of the Holy Father? Nothing I am afraid to say. What is there to define that she is Catholic? Again, nothing I am afraid to say.
True, however we can see that Pope Benedict does not judge. However that is certainly not proper attire.
 
That may be, yet still I feel the same regardless of this post and those that quoted me and followed. You know, I have had it up to the ears with the politically correct jargon that is so evident today, and I feel that because I have stated an unpopular (by today’s standard) opinion, that I am targeted. Well, I will not back down from holding a true and clearly correct opinion that many wish to confuse with being a superior attitude. I can fairly say that I am being labeled judgmental, uncharitable, and narrow minded by others. The door swings both ways, people.
Get used to it. I am classified as Ultra-Conservative by everyone I know. I am used to the bigotry that results from by beliefs by the liberal “humanists”.
 
She looks pretty good as is…

Notice the ridiculous position of the paten – as if it would do any good if a host was actually dropped…
True, what in the world was he doing. Perhaps this was a shot in motion and he had yet to move it to the proper position. I doubt that Pope Benedict XVI would allow something like that to happen.
 
Yes, truer and more clear than the pope, and I might add that this is the same pope that gave communion to a Protestant, prayed in the Blue Mosque, placated the Jews with the new Good Friday Prayer, plans to visit a synagogue while visiting New York, for Passover no less…give me a break on the sanctimonious drivel above.
Are you sure about that? The other examples show the Pope trying to bring the world closer together, however to offer Communion to a Protestant would be a sin. Because he is allowing the Protestant to sin.
 
The fact that she is receiving the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ from His Vicar here on Earth and not some rather odd preference for hats, veils and skirts?
Surely you understand that what you say is simply because the pope is in the picture. There is nothing in her appearance to define her as a Catholic…she could as well be a protestant, in any church, in any city, in any country. Sorry, but that is the underlining truth. It is what the church has been striving for these past forty years after all, to ecumenically blend in with all other faiths rather than to rightfully reign as the ONE TRUE FAITH, outside of which there is no salvation.
 
Surely you understand that what you say is simply because the pope is in the picture. There is nothing in her appearance to define her as a Catholic…she could as well be a protestant, in any church, in any city, in any country. Sorry, but that is the underlining truth. It is what the church has been striving for these past forty years after all, to ecumenically blend in with all other faiths rather than to rightfully reign as the ONE TRUE FAITH, outside of which there is no salvation.
The fact that she is receiving the Eucharist in no way makes her Catholic. Does the Pope have some Catholic vision to tell who isn’t? Most people know how to receive Communion. We can only hope that she isn’t Protestant (or Orthodox) because it would be a mortal sin for her to do that.
 
Get used to it. I am classified as Ultra-Conservative by everyone I know. I am used to the bigotry that results from by beliefs by the liberal “humanists”.
I am used to it, too. Actually, I find it quite simple and easy to just stick with my resolve to defend the TRUTH. And I won’t back down. Yes, it certainly puts one in an unpopular position.
 
What do you think the poor and sickly multitudes looked like who followed Jesus around the country side day and night while he was tirelessly ministering to them? You think he even noticed their garb? I mean, for real, do you really think this is what matters to him? He who was stripped naked while hanging on that Cross for us?
When our Holy Father St. Francis appeared before Pope Innocent III to request the confirmation of the rule for his new order he was thrown out of St. John Lateran, where the Pope lived, because he looked like a homeless man.

Here is the juxtaposition. The Great Innocent III, in all of his papal glory and Francis of Assisi who was dirty, unshaven, unbathed and who had not even brushed his teeth since he began his life of prayer and penance were face to face. The papal household failed to see Francis’ holiness, because of his appearance. They could not see papal stature and evangelical holiness standing face to face.

That night, Innocent had a dream. He saw Christ wearing the same garb and looking like Francis. He saw the walls of the Church crumbling down and the little man who looked like a homeless bum stood up against the walls of the Church and grew into a giant. He prevented the Church from collapsing.

Upon waking up, Innocent sent for the little man who had been cast out by his staff. When he heard his message of peace, fraternity, poverty, obedience, and love for the crucified Christ, he had only one statement to make, “You put us all to shame. Go and multiply as God told Abraham to do.”

The year after Francis died, the Pope canonized him without an inquiry into his sanctity. He not only declared him a saint, but he gave him a title that has not been given to any saint in the Catholic Church before or after, THE MIRROR OF PERFECTION.

As Jeanette correctly pointed out, he who was perfection was a simple carpenter and those who followed him came from all walks of life. Each presented himself or herself as he was.
What he sees is the heart of every man, woman and child that comes before him. You should try to see this as well, see with the eyes of Christ instead of the eyes of early 20th century culture that you can’t seem to let go of.
This ties in with something else that our Holy Father Francis taught the Church and many of us have forgotten. He said that we should approach God, the Church and each other with one truth in mind and one truth only, “I am what I am before God, nothing else.”

God sees this woman and all who approach him as they are, not as they dress. He looks into the soul. He looks for a life of faith, prayer, obedience, detachment, perfect charity and contrition.

Our Holy Father Francis told the Christians of his time that their Jewelry should be the virtues of Christ. Their veil should be holy modesty. Their shroud should be holy poverty. Their belt, should be holy chastity and purity.

When they approached the Eucharist, they should see in it the Lord Jesus Christ who had given his life for them on the cross. When they approached the Pope or any other prelate of the Church, they should see the holy apostles.

Despite all of the above admonitions about virtue and love for the Church, the Holy Father and the clergy, Our Holy Father Francis, always preached to the Church of his time, that the only proper way to approach Christ in the Eucharist was by being one with the poorest of the poor, for there was no place for elegance or etiquette on the cross.

It is our turn to embrace the cross. The cross is not a pretty sight.

The dress of this woman would have been of no concern to the great and holy saints of the Church who understood that the poor and crucified Christ preferred to be surrounded by his own kind, the simple and the humble. This was the message of St. Francis, St. Vincent, Mother Teresa, Blessed John XXIII and John Paul II.

Holiness is achieved through faith and charity. When I see this woman, I see a person of faith approaching the altar of charity to consume the food of hope for redemption.

What more can we ask and how much more Catholic can this get?

JR 🙂
 
I am used to it, too. Actually, I find it quite simple and easy to just stick with my resolve to defend the TRUTH. And I won’t back down. Yes, it certainly puts one in an unpopular position.
Same here.
 
Wherever the headcovering custom got started, it has nothing to do with subservience. Probably, the custom at the time when all women kept their head/hair completely covered (as Our Lady). To me, it’s respect for Our Lord, and I have no problem with a veil or hat. Actually, the mantilla veils make for a beautifully feminine touch, and I enjoy wearing them when in Church.

Matter of fact - time was if you had an audience with the Pope, you wore a head covering !

As to women and subservience - puh-lease! I remember when aside from the priest & altar boys, only nuns (you know, women?) were allowed inside the altar rail - arranging altar cloths, etc. NOBODY went past the altar rail - so, it was an honor - not subservience - being that close to the tabernacle.
Why do women get so touchy, so quickly?
 
Why do women get so touchy, so quickly?
Introduction to feminism. It taught that if you can’t do something and are a women, even if it is normal or is sacred like the Church, you must be offended.

According to feminism a woman should be angry that they can’t grow a beard. Yay liberals:mad: . Thanks alot Voltaire. :mad:
 
Yes, truer and more clear than the pope, and I might add that this is the same pope that gave communion to a Protestant, prayed in the Blue Mosque, placated the Jews with the new Good Friday Prayer, plans to visit a synagogue while visiting New York, for Passover no less…give me a break on the sanctimonious drivel above.
If this Pope is so unworthy of our respect, why does it matter hwo this woman presents herself before him?

JR 🙂
 
Pax Christi!

Hello everyone! 👋

For those who have posted that are thinking about covering their head, and even those who are not, the best thread I have ever seen on the subject is this one:

phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=71958&hl=headcovering

It is the most charitable too. I believe this is the one were both sides spoke and remained absolutely charitable to one another. If it is not, there is another thread very simiular on the same site where both sides argue opposite sides - and in the end disagree - but do it with such charity! It seems like something a few members at Catholic Answers Forum are never able to do when it comes to the subject of headcoverings. 😊

”Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good conduct let him show his works in the meekness of wisdom… The wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere. And a harvest of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.” - James 3:13-18

"Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work, to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people… I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. These things are excellent and profitable for people. But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him.” - Titus 3:1-11

The thread above also answers the question about why religious men (monks) cover their head. Interesting read. I was very impressed.

A few mentioned here that covering one’s head would be a sign of a woman’s inferiority. The great philisopher, Dietrich von Hildebrand’s wife wrote on this subject. She explained it beautifully.

"And this is why the female body should be veiled because everything which is sacred calls for veiling. When Moses came down from Mount Sinai, he veiled his face. Why did he veil his face? Because he had spoken to God and at that very moment there was a sacredness that called for veiling. Now the stupid feminists after Vatican II suddenly ‘discovered’ that when women go to Church veiled, it is a sign of their inferiority. The man takes off his hat and the woman puts on a veil. My goodness, how they have lost the sense of the supernatural. Veiling indicates sacredness and it is a special privilege of the woman that she enters church veiled.” - Alice von Hildebrand

The Ark of the Covenant was veiled at the command of God. The Table that the Ark sat on was veiled at the command of God. Everything, the chalices, the bowls, the utensils, the Holy of Holies, the door, even the entire tent, everything that was sacred to God was veiled. To God what is sacred is veiled out of respect for the sacred. The question is: is a woman sacred? Is she not the most precious creature? She is. As all things sacred, she has the privilege of being veiled.
 
If this Pope is so unworthy of our respect, why does it matter hwo this woman presents herself before him?

JR 🙂
The Pope is worthy of respect. I think that Piouswoman was just showing her dislike of many things in the Church right now. However be glad that he have a good Pope like Benedict. We should be happy that we have him, he is a lot better than some other popes.
 
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