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JReducation
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I donāt think that headcovering and Holy Orders are on the same page.
Peace.
Is the Vatican close to clearing up the issue on the requirements for headcoverings?
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elt1956
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Hello catholicbuckeye. I have always been under the same impression. I āthinkā this idea began in the church in the Middle Ages. The idea was to keep the males from admiring a womanās flowing locks during Mass. To me sort of a reverse sexism. The men couldnāt control their lesser impulses???
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Jeanette_L
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Now, I could go along with that. That is equality. Donāt the men attending synagogue also cover their heads?
Thatās to keep the women from being distracted by admiring their bald spots. 
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elt1956
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Yes, I think all of the guyās heads should be covered during Mass to keep me from slavering.
Peace.
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beckers
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What is scary is seeing all these women say that even if Rome came out and said āyou should wear a coveringā that they would disobey Rome because of this idea that its unfair or some how a requirement that is not equal to what men have to do. They miss the understand of obedience and being submissive.
I also think you might have missed my point. Equality. Its the most over used and over rated idea. Men and women are different. (example: Men can never be a mother and a women can never be a father.) We have different callings from God and instead of embracing this idea of having āequalityā we should focus on embracing our callings from God. When you start claiming that women shouldnāt have to do something because its not āequalā to what a man has to do then you have started down a slipper slope of blurring the lines between what a manās calling is and what a womenās calling is. If things are suppose to be equal then what leg do you have to stand on when a women screams āits unfair that I canāt be a priestā?
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beckers
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What is scary is seeing all these women say that even if Rome came out and said āyou should wear a coveringā that they would disobey Rome because of this idea that its unfair or some how a requirement that is not equal to what men have to do. They miss the understand of obedience and being submissive.
I also think you might have missed my point. Equality. Its the most over used and over rated idea. Men and women are different. (example: Men can never be a mother and a women can never be a father.) We have different callings from God and instead of embracing this idea of having āequalityā we should focus on embracing our callings from God. When you start claiming that women shouldnāt have to do something because its not āequalā to what a man has to do then you have started down a slipper slope of blurring the lines between what a manās calling is and what a womenās calling is. If things are suppose to be equal then what leg do you have to stand on when a women screams āits unfair that I canāt be a priestā?
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Marsha_Adams
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Philippians 2:5-7 American Standard Version (ASV)
Copyright Ā© 1901 Public Domain
5 Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men
If Jesus was willing to give up His equality to the Father and become a servant, what is the big deal about ignoring our equality with men to show reverence by wearing a mantilla, hat, scarf, whatever?
Being humble does not mean being inferior.
Copyright Ā© 1901 Public Domain
5 Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men
If Jesus was willing to give up His equality to the Father and become a servant, what is the big deal about ignoring our equality with men to show reverence by wearing a mantilla, hat, scarf, whatever?
Being humble does not mean being inferior.
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beckers
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Deacon_Ed_B
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After reading all that is before my humble opinion on this issue, I have to admit that I am a bit amused, befuddled and amazed. The issue was answered when the requirement was removed from Canon Law in the (I believe) 1983 edition. It was as some considered, a sign of respect. That said, there is ***NO DISRESPECT *** in a woman not wearing a head covering. The issue is optional. If a woman choses to wear a mantilla, scarf, hat or whatever head covering she desires, so be it. Nothing says she cannot. The respect does not come from what is or is not on the head, but from what is in the heart. Ladyās do whatever your heart desires.
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pnewton
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All this talk of obedience is totally irrelevant. Headcovers are not required. Speculating the āwhat ifā should that change is futile and just that: speculation.
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beckers
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Is it speculation if someone specifically said that they would not obey Rome if this was changed. That to me sounds like there is a major problem at the core of understand obdience to the catholic church and what she declares. isnāt this what everyone screams about ācafeteria catholicsā that the pick and choose which things they want to obey and follow?
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beckers
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Deacon. Thank you for your answer. I agree. I wish people would let us women who choose to wear one do it in peace.Obviously those who wear one wish other women would learn and appericate the beauty and gifts that come with it just like anyone who pratices anything that helps their faith grow (ie the rosary or a particular saints writings). They want to spread it to others so that they too may grow. It might work for some and others might not like it. And thats OKAY.
I will admit that i donāt know all the documenation and such of why or why not. I am going purely off of what i feel God is calling me to do. I ran from it for a long time and when i started wearing one it just felt right. i canāt explain it nor do i have the time to explain all the growth and changes i have seen in my life since i started wearing one. A covering is not a magical thing that makes you more holy by wearing it. It is a pratice that starts to change who you are and how you think. It teaches you humility, obdience, modesty etc. all those things that women should embrace. Its nothing offensive or a showing of inferiority as some people seem to see it. We understand that it a choice. thats why I donāt see comments by women who wear a covering saying that anyone who didnāt would go to hell or that we walk around plopping veils on women who donāt. Its a choice to wear one. We just choose to wear one and wish we could get some support from our fellow catholics instead of angry and resentment.
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Sure
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You mean like the thousands of women who chose to abide by canon 1262 (2) and wear a headcovering, while at the same time, disobeying canon 1262 (1)???
Why does no one address this?
Disobedience is disobedience.
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pnewton
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Did someone say that?
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elt1956
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Thank you a hundred times over. I hope everyone reads this.
Peace.
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catholicbuckeye
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Hi there! Yeah, for me itās half admiration and half envy, as I am more accurately āmale pattern balding catholicbuckeyeāHello catholicbuckeye. I have always been under the same impression. I āthinkā this idea began in the church in the Middle Ages. The idea was to keep the males from admiring a womanās flowing locks during Mass. To me sort of a reverse sexism. The men couldnāt control their lesser impulses???
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elt1956
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I am fighting it too. Hmmmmmmmm, maybe I WILL drag out the old mantilla.Hi there! Yeah, for me itās half admiration and half envy, as I am more accurately āmale pattern balding catholicbuckeyeā
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ericcantona71
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Ha! Ha! Thatās why I started the thread!
My personal opinion is that the Vatican needs to clear up the issue- and some of the things said on this thread proves that for me. Although I agree that there are other pressing issues as well for the Vatican to clear up!
John Salzaās take on the issue: scripturecatholic.com/misc_qa.html#scripture-I
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Indyann
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elt1956
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Reminds me of the tale about two blind men trying to describe an elephant.
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