If we’re not “the same religion” how can Canon 844 admit the Orthodox to your Eucharist? It simply refers to us as not being in full communion. The USCCB goes further to say Roman Catholic discipline puts no conditions on reception of the Eucharist by the Orthodox.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider once bluntly spoke about the contradictory nature of the pastoral provisions of this canon with the doctrine surrounding the eucharist.Wandile:
If we’re not “the same religion” how can Canon 844 admit the Orthodox to your Eucharist? It simply refers to us as not being in full communion. The USCCB goes further to say Roman Catholic discipline puts no conditions on reception of the Eucharist by the Orthodox.
Two bishops…out of thousands? Did they speak with the full backing of their brother bishops?
When did anyone say anything about charity? This is simply about acknowledging we are not of same religion, because Papacy and 21 Ecumenical Council vs 7 and no Pope- mostly. It is actually very charitable, though misled, from Orthodox Bishops to try and convert Pope to what they believe is salvific faith and Church of Christ. Not trying to convert someone who you believe is in error is what I would call cruel and uncharitable.
Not a single Orthodox bishop rebuked them as far as I’m aware. Not even one.Wandile:
Two bishops…out of thousands? Did they speak with the full backing of their brother bishops?
Out of the thousands of Catholic Bishops, are you willing to say that none hold uncharitable views towards the Orthodox?
Do you know that with certainty.
I’m pretty sure the canon includes the second part
Here is a link to the encyclical of the eastern patriarchs to Pope Blessed Pius IX where they call catholic teachings heresies :Wandile:
Do you know that with certainty.
Not that I count for much as a lay person, but I think they’re wrong.
I’m not going to comment on this letter, partly because I don’t have the time to read it fully and thoroughly, and partly because I can’t find a copy of Pope Pius IX’s letter to which this is a response. I’d like to understand the full context of what prompted this letter.
If restoration of communion is the goal, proselytism runs counter to that.
The Father is greater than I ? John 14: 28
Pope Blessed Pius IX invited the Eastern Orthodox to Vatican I and sought to have reunion talks at the council where they could be reunited with the Catholic Church. The encyclical was their response.Wandile:
I’m not going to comment on this letter, partly because I don’t have the time to read it fully and thoroughly, and partly because I can’t find a copy of Pope Pius IX’s letter to which this is a response. I’d like to understand the full context of what prompted this letter.
How many Roman Catholic bishops think that Pope Francis is a heretic? Pachamama in the Vatican? As I hear all the time on this forum, bishops can have their own personal opinions.
Catholic- Kata + Holon = “Pertaining to the whole; fullness”. As used by Ignatius of Antioch, the term “Katholike Ekklesia” meant the “fullness of the Church”. There was no notion of universality, but rather than notion that through the Eucharist the totality of the Church was present wherever the Eucharist was being celebrated. The universal dimension of the Church was manifested by the communion of all rightly ordained bishops with each other, not with one particular bishop.
It sure seems that way.
No. I don’t believe that this was ever true. The Latins may have said per Filium, but never per Filio. Per takes the accusative case in Latin.
No Melkites in my area. Only Ruthenian. Orthodox Divine Liturgies I attend are OCA and Greek.
That’s not the point Ziapueblo. You said such opinions only seem to exist on the internet. Secondly those bishops made that accusation before the scandals of pope Francis even really took foot. They accused him as a heretic for believing in the papal doctrines and the Filioque. IOW for simply being a catholic. Another piece of evidence is the encyclical of the eastern patriarchs to Pope Blessed Pius IX.Wandile:
How many Roman Catholic bishops think that Pope Francis is a heretic? Pachamama in the Vatican? As I hear all the time on this forum, bishops can have their own personal opinions.
It meant according to the whole and also “in general”. Meaning the faith meant for all peoples hence it’s latter understanding as universal. The “Catholic religion” used by me means the faith of the Catholic Church and you know that. You’re playing semantics now to avoid the meat of what I’m saying.Wandile:
Catholic- Kata + Holon = “Pertaining to the whole; fullness”. As used by Ignatius of Antioch, the term “Katholike Ekklesia” meant the “fullness of the Church”. There was no notion of universality, but rather than notion that through the Eucharist the totality of the Church was present wherever the Eucharist was being celebrated. The universal dimension of the Church was manifested by the communion of all rightly ordained bishops with each other, not with one particular bishop.
Well you’re mistaken.Wandile:
It sure seems that way.
ZP